Which is why these seem like odd choices for initial lens releases, the 35mm F/1.8 yeah that looks like exactly the kind of lens a lot of buyers would be after(moreso than Sony's under speced 35mm F/2.8) but the 28-70mm F/2 and 50mm F/1.2? hardly lenses to show off size saving are they? even the 24-105mm F/4 is notable larger and heavier than Nikon's 24-70mm F/4 kit lens.
WIth mirrorless even moreso than DSLR's I think you really have a core lineup of lenses, the desire to save weight tends to push people towards more compact UWA/normal zooms and sub F/1.4 primes. Part of the reason Canon overturned Sony at APSC was IMHO that they did the core lens lineup better/cheaper so the lack of overall choice didn't matter as much. I think Sony have the same weakness at FF, they tended to release lower quality compact lenses hoping to drive sales of larger more expensive ones but a lot of people want quality in a smaller package.
I think there will at least be C700 FF II.
Absolutely! So far I am more convinced by Nikon strategy, with smaller but yet fast enough lenses. The 50 f0.95 they are planning will be very tempting, if they can keep it under 700 grams.
!!! wow.Comparing the weight of the 5D4 with a 24-70mm II against the EOS R with the new 28-70mm...
Is it just me or do all the RF lenses except the 28-70 have what appears to be a second switch on the bottom of the lens? An IS switch? So that might mean a 50 F1.2 IS?
Sure, but how much? And at what point does saving weight on the body lead to ergonomic problems / lenses feeling unbalanced on the body?
I will be interested to hear what people think after they've had actually got to shoot with the EOS R and the RF 50/1.2 and the RF 28-70/2L. Maybe it will turn out to work well ... but I remain to be convinced.
no. it is an optical illusion.
We have specs now. only 24-105 and 35 have IS.
Right, so the RF 35/1.8 IS a touch lighter than the EF 35/2 IS, and RF 24-105/4L IS is a bit lighter than the EF 24-105/4L IS II (although a fraction heavier than the EF 24-105/4L IS) ... and the RF 28-70/2L and RF 50 1.2L are fairly heavy lenses. Unsurprising for their specs given they are all FF lenses (and what we've seen other brands), but again it has me questioning whether FF mirrorless really has much of a weight or size advantage over DSLR ... and assuming it doesn't, what the big deal is about FF mirrorless.
I understand mirrorless may offer some other benefits over DSLR, but DSLR offers some benefits of [edit: over] mirrorless too (depending on what features you value, eg I am yet to see an EVF I like as much as an OVF although I realise others prefer EVF).
I will be interested to hear more about the EOS R and the RF lenses as information becomes available, but at this point personally I'm not feeling a likely buyer for the EOS R (at least any time soon).
Agreed for tripod and liveview shooting in general. I was thinking more when the camera is up on your eye and you need to adjust AF points (or area) on the fly. Typically you have the left hand on the lens and the right hand on the cam. Reading the spec-pdf, the idea seems to be use the cross keys in this situation. I very much prefer a 5D type joystick but this is workable..
For me, an intuitive and fast operation of the AF (point/area selection, AF mode - point/area/face, and AF shot/servo switch) is a make or break. Needless to say that the 5DIV does a hell of a job..
Absolutely! So far I am more convinced by Nikon strategy, with smaller but yet fast enough lenses. The 50 f0.95 they are planning will be very tempting, if they can keep it under 700 grams.
Personally, I don’t see EVF as an advantage over DSLR. The main reason why I would consider a FF mirrorless is to have weight and size savings, with both camera and lenses. Another reason to go mirrorless is to gain solid and reliable AF performance with fast aperture lenses, even off center. Shooting a 50 f1.2 with reliable performance at f1.2 is tempting.
!!! wow.
How about 5D4/24-70 f4 vs. R/24-105 f4? I like the former for general shooting & sightseeing - was wondering if an R/24-105 combo would at least be lighter in weight (probably won't be smaller though due to the lens, I'm guessing)
ETA: You know, after pondering it over a bit - considering the extra stop you're getting, the R combo being "only" 400g heavier is actually somewhat of an achievement TBH...still though, completely negates supposed size/weight advantage of FF mirrorless.
I just realized that the RF 50L will have almost identical physical specs as the EF 85 f1.4 L. Maybe a lot of similar design as well, such as the similarities between the 50L f1.0 and the 85L f1.2 back in the day..?
A good thing is that I don’t find the size and weight of the 85L f1.4 to be too big and heavy. Maybe the RF 50L will be acceptable after all.
Eh, a 24-70mm f/4 (or even f/2.8!) and a 28-70mm f/2 are completely different lenses with most likely very different price points. Such a silly comparison. The 28-70/2 is a special tool and only the second full-frame f/2 zoom in existence, and the first one (Sigma 24-35mm f/2 A) has a zoom range of less than 1.5x...
RF 50/1.2 vs EF 50/1.2: 15 vs 8 elements, 9 vs 6 groups.To move onto one of the other lenses - the new RF 50 1.2 - I wonder if there is going to be any optical difference between this lens and the (older) EF version.
To move onto one of the other lenses - the new RF 50 1.2 - I wonder if there is going to be any optical difference between this lens and the (older) EF version.