I will not be sad to see the 5Ds (R) go. It was launched too quickly with little thought to where it fits within the canon line. It purpose seems to be out MP Nikon.
Disagree - IMO they launched to sandwich the D800/D810 but did not think abou the LT viability of the product if it was not a major product. Canon has introduced interesting technologies only to abandon them shortly thereafter (e.g., eye control focus).
Agree the EOS R does only 5 fps in servo/continuous AF but not sure it's correct to say it's worse than that in practise. The 2.4 and 2.2 fps figures quoted above are for dual pixel raw files, but dual pixel raw Is slow with any camera, isn't it?I agree with the first paragraph, but Canon claims only 5 fps in continuous AF. In practice it is worse than that:
"With Servo AF enabled (continuous autofocus), Canon claims the EOS R's max burst speed is 5.0 fps, however we didn't test that in the lab. When shooting Dual Pixel RAW files, the camera drops down to Continuous Low mode which is rated at 3.0 fps for standard files and 2.2 fps for Dual Pixel RAW files. In the lab, the Canon R managed a slightly higher 2.4 fps when shooting DP-RAW or DP-RAW+JPEG files." https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-eos-r/canon-eos-rA6.HTM
So, the EOS R is slower than the 5DSR in practice for fast action.
Agree the EOS R does only 5 fps in servo/continuous AF but not sure it's correct to say it's worse than that in practise. The 2.4 and 2.2 fps figures quoted above are for dual pixel raw files, but dual pixel raw ous slow with any camera, isn't it?
So far as i know, you do get 5 fps with standard raw files with servo/continuous AF with release priority on the EOS R. I understand it drops to 3 fps if you want tracking priority but from the bits and pieces I've read so far the accuracy with release priority is about the same as with tracking priority anyway(?). So, as I understand it, basically the EOS R and 5DSr both get 5 fps with servo/continuous AF with standard raw files. Is that incorrect?
Fair enough. I think The Digital Picture review of the EOS R makes a generally similar comment.It's not just the 5 fps, it's the lack of live feedback at this speed. This is what cameralabs writes in its review: "Even at this relatively leisurely burst speed though, the EOS R won’t provide live feedback between frames so while there’s no blackout, you will be looking at the last frame shot, not what’s actually happening right now. This doesn’t pose much of an issue with subjects approaching face-on, but unpredictable subjects moving from side to side become much harder to follow." You are looking at a subject where it was a 1/5s ago, which won't work for birds in flight across your path etc. The 5DSR, on the other hand, is quite decent for birds in flight.
If not addressed, that might be a deal breaker even for whatever FF mirrorless is coming next. Just seems so limiting and awkward. Long live the SLR!It's not just the 5 fps, it's the lack of live feedback at this speed. This is what cameralabs writes in its review: "Even at this relatively leisurely burst speed though, the EOS R won’t provide live feedback between frames so while there’s no blackout, you will be looking at the last frame shot, not what’s actually happening right now. This doesn’t pose much of an issue with subjects approaching face-on, but unpredictable subjects moving from side to side become much harder to follow." You are looking at a subject where it was a 1/5s ago, which won't work for birds in flight across your path etc. The 5DSR, on the other hand, is quite decent for birds in flight.
Maybe a 7DIII DSLR after all?If not addressed, that might be a deal breaker even for whatever FF mirrorless is coming next. Just seems so limiting and awkward. Long live the SLR!
Disagree - IMO they launched to sandwich the D800/D810 but did not think abou the LT viability of the product if it was not a major product. Canon has introduced interesting technologies only to abandon them shortly thereafter (e.g., eye control focus).
So, the EOS R is slower than the 5DSR in practice for fast action.
Yes and no... Once you hit buffer limits and start writing to card the slower write speed of the 5DSR plus the larger raw size (I'm not bothering with DP RAW on the R) are a massive issue. Putting in a fast UHS-II card in the R makes it a much more enjoyable experience.
They may make mistakes now and again, but to go through not only camera development but also semiconductor development, testing, verification and validation, and into production with a product they haven’t considered how to market is very un-Canon
time will tell. I think that the ultra high MP camera will slow fade away in favor of high quality 30-40 MP cameras. Can the market support the extreme quality lenses needed to get benefit of 50+ MP sensors? In the end I don't think the 5DS line will do well. Canon my keep it to sandwich the D850 ..
The D850 is already 45.7 mpx, the A7RIII, 42.4 and Sony is rumoured as producing 60 mpx for themselves and third parties. No way is 30-40 going to be the norm for high quality: it will be 40-60 mpx for the next few years, with less dense sensors for cheaper products or where speed is the major factor.time will tell. I think that the ultra high MP camera will slow fade away in favor of high quality 30-40 MP cameras. Can the market support the extreme quality lenses needed to get benefit of 50+ MP sensors? In the end I don't think the 5DS line will do well. Canon my keep it to sandwich the D850 ..
Yah it certainly might not be a major success. All I’m saying is they must have thought about their lineup, they didn’t haphazardly expend all the NRE. I bet when they decided to end the 1Ds line they did so with the plan of moving the less demanding product downmarket (even if selling it at all was a miscalculation).
I expect very high resolution cameras to remain niche, though, especially as readout speed processing power improves, affording stacking techniques in camera.
time will tell. I think that the ultra high MP camera will slow fade away in favor of high quality 30-40 MP cameras. Can the market support the extreme quality lenses needed to get benefit of 50+ MP sensors? In the end I don't think the 5DS line will do well. Canon my keep it to sandwich the D850 ..
Yah it certainly might not be a major success. All I’m saying is they must have thought about their lineup, they didn’t haphazardly expend all the NRE. I bet when they decided to end the 1Ds line they did so with the plan of moving the less demanding product downmarket (even if selling it at all was a miscalculation).
I expect very high resolution cameras to remain niche, though, especially as readout speed processing power improves, affording stacking techniques in camera.
So far they seem adverse to floating the sensor.Wonder if Canon will take use a technique from the MF cameras. Shift the sensor a fraction of a distance of a photosensor. Works for still life that does not move.