Industry News: Nikon to make a D6 announcement on September 4, 2019

AlanF

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I am nit-picking but IBIS isn't a "mirrorless technology" - Sony, Minolta, Pentax, Olympus all used it in SLR cameras, in some cases many years ago.

The D6 looks a great camera - in truth, at the absolute top end there isn't much difference between Canon and Nikon in terms of build quality, features or even - for the most part - lens quality. It's a bit like arguing whether one prefers Bentley or Rolls Royce. So I sincerely hope Nikon put out a great camera as it only keeps the pressure on Canon.
Honda vs Toyota is geographically more appropriate and certainly more climatically acceptable.
 
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slclick

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...and fight against Nikon.
I never experienced mean spirited debate with that dialog, unlike recent 'discussions'. All in all we were all shooting (stills) and it was good. Now we have filmmakers coming out of the thin air all around us. Joining the ranks of marathon runners (you know when it was a rarity and now everyone you know has run one)
 

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What do you think they will use? I really suspect the 1dx3 will be my next camera but your comment has me curious
CFast and XQD are dead.
CFExpress will replace them both in the next pro level cameras.
 
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Drcampbellicu

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In all of my many encounters in bird photography, I have never seen a D series whereas I have come across 1Ds galore. Must have led a very sheltered life.

I’ve seen a wide spectrum of cameras

1D: shrinking numbers unless it’s a big time expensive safari with semi pros
7D: second or primary body
5D mk:
D series: Nikon has some loyal followers
Even rebels and lower end canon
Recently a bunch of mirrorless with Sony and sometimes Olympus

I have not seen many 5ds
 

AlanF

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I’ve seen a wide spectrum of cameras

1D: shrinking numbers unless it’s a big time expensive safari with semi pros
7D: second or primary body
5D mk:
D series: Nikon has some loyal followers
Even rebels and lower end canon
Recently a bunch of mirrorless with Sony and sometimes Olympus

I have not seen many 5ds
Remember, my experience is bird and nature photography. I see many 7DIIs, some 5DIVs and earlier, a few D500s, the odd D7200/7100 and Rebel, a sprinkling of 1Ds, and an increasing number of Sonys. On my recent trip to the Galapagos and Amazon, to my shock, we were the only ones with telephoto lenses and binoculars - the others just had phones apart from one guy with a Leica M. In the specialist bird part in the Andes, nearly all Canons (including another 5DSR) and a nice senior individual with a Sony A9 and the new 200-600mm lens. More images are being posted from that lens from known forum birders, and it's looking good.
 

Drcampbellicu

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Remember, my experience is bird and nature photography. I see many 7DIIs, some 5DIVs and earlier, a few D500s, the odd D7200/7100 and Rebel, a sprinkling of 1Ds, and an increasing number of Sonys. On my recent trip to the Galapagos and Amazon, to my shock, we were the only ones with telephoto lenses and binoculars - the others just had phones apart from one guy with a Leica M. In the specialist bird part in the Andes, nearly all Canons (including another 5DSR) and a nice senior individual with a Sony A9 and the new 200-600mm lens. More images are being posted from that lens from known forum birders, and it's looking good.
Cool
I’ve been shocked to see more casual photographers on these nature trips as well. I agree with your observation: they’re using a lot of different things to take pics. Even little point and shoots!
It’s cool to see how the base is broadening to include more than just hard core photographers. Some of these guys and gals will catch the big and upgrade to a higher end camera over time but some might not.

Interesting times
 

YuengLinger

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With the 90D and this being announced I don't think DSLRs are dead anytime soon. At least I hope not especially if we have several 'L' lenses. I do really like the EVFs though.
Interesting that the current issue of Professional Photographers of America Magazine has no dSLR's advertised at all. Not even in the B&H pages.

The 5D IV has dropped another $300 recently. Will there be another 5D dSLR?

Whatever dSLR's are coming out now were in the design/production pipeline for some time, but there might not be any following.

I don't remember anybody claiming (when Canon announced the EOS R ;) ) there wouldn't be one more generation of dSLR's--or even a few new dSLR lenses which had been planned years back. Nothing in recent industry news changes my opinion that the dSLR is a legacy product.
 
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canonmike

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None of my fellow photographers' are professional sports photographers. Only one has a Canon 1Dx with the balance owning one of the 5D iii or iv bodies, with a handful owning 6d's and 6dii's and none of the Nikon shooters I know sport a D5. They mostly own D850's and D750's. None of us yet own a Canon R body but one Nikon owner has a Z7, which he has fully embraced. With the push toward mirrorless growing stronger, it is somewhat surprising that none of us own a Sony. As the Mfg.'s continue to improve their mirrorless offerings, who knows what we will be shooting next yr or five yrs from now? Being a hiker, I do own a Canon M50, perfect for trail photography and my camera of choice when hiking long distances. I'm sure I will eventually invest in a future gen R body, one with IBIS and a faster frame rate. While the Canon 1Dx series and the Nikon D pro bodies are stellar, they are just too big and too heavy for prolonged hiking and nature photography on the move. When I feel the need for a FF body, I opt for the lighter, smaller 6Dii, sans battery grip, for better portability. The Canon and Nikon pro bodies are built like tanks but they also carry like one. I can certainly see why those able to carry a bipod or tripod and/or needing a blistering frame rate on demand would want one though. At any rate, it's certainly nice to have all of these choices and to see that Canon and Nikon continue to support and have not abandoned the high end DSLR market.
 

Drcampbellicu

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Agree on the weight and size issues with the big boy bodies

On some of my safari trips the boats and keeps have tripods setup for large bodies and folks bring out the heavier bodies
I think the move to mirrorless will yield great professional bodies that will be lighter and smaller

That’s my hope at least
 
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I think this is why we will see a big shift to mirrorless by Canon and Nikon. DSLRs have pretty much reached the end of the line in terms of big advances. No more leaps forward in frame rate or AF, just incremental improvements. This is not to say mirrorless are clearly better than DSLRs, as there are pluses and minuses for both. Just that the manufacturers can no longer include leaps forward, and the only thing moving forward which will make a difference to photographers, are sensors, which are equal with mirrorless. Whereas potentially mirrorless has some way to advance in terms of frame rate, AF, EVF performance. In other words, what I'm saying is that new performance camera i.e. in the class of the 1Dx or 7D line in DSLR form would have similar AF and frame rate, but a new mirrorless equivalent could have a potentially much higher frame rate and more advanced AF system.

My comments are purely based on manufacturers marketing these products. Certainly the manufacturers are capable of producing more polished DSLRs, just not a leap forward in performance. I think this is why we never saw a 7D mkII update yet. Canon would struggle to produce anything more than an incremental and more polished upgrade, with sensor resolution being the only possible leap forward. Yes, there's a number of things which could be updated, deeper buffer, better video specs, but overall camera performance will be similar.
 

ozturert

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I think this is why we will see a big shift to mirrorless by Canon and Nikon. DSLRs have pretty much reached the end of the line in terms of big advances. No more leaps forward in frame rate or AF, just incremental improvements. This is not to say mirrorless are clearly better than DSLRs, as there are pluses and minuses for both. Just that the manufacturers can no longer include leaps forward, and the only thing moving forward which will make a difference to photographers, are sensors, which are equal with mirrorless. Whereas potentially mirrorless has some way to advance in terms of frame rate, AF, EVF performance. In other words, what I'm saying is that new performance camera i.e. in the class of the 1Dx or 7D line in DSLR form would have similar AF and frame rate, but a new mirrorless equivalent could have a potentially much higher frame rate and more advanced AF system.
I think you can still improve AF (look at what Nikon did in D500/D5/D850). Even fps can be enhanced if the camera can take 2 frames between each mirror flap instead of one. I think DSLRs are quite mature but there can always be improvement like buffer, video specs etc.. (as you mentioned).
The push to mirrorless is mostly financial. Despite initial investments, mirrorless are simpler to produce, hence less expensive due to less moving parts. Lensrentals found out that EOS R's shell has a lot of empty space. Without mirror, it is so much simpler.
 
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Drcampbellicu

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I think you can still improve AF (look at what Nikon did in D500/D5/D850). Even fps can be enhanced if the camera can take 2 frames between each mirror flap instead of one. I think DSLRs are quite mature but there can always be improvement like buffer, video specs etc.. (as you mentioned).
The push to mirrorless is mostly financial. Despite initial investments, mirrorless are simpler to produce, hence less expensive due to less moving parts. Lensrentals found out that EOS R's shell has a lot of empty space. Without mirror, it is so much simpler.
Not an engineer at all but to regurgitate what I have read about this transition
More freed up space
Cheaper due to less complexity
In some ways faster/more continuous data

The above together can help preserve margins and allow more resources to be put into other improvements since margins are better

Overall mirrorless “should” be on a better improvement curve over the next few years

So they say at least
I suspect the improved margins will be a huge factor
 
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slclick

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Not sure what big leaps forward some folks think there has been. Incremental is the way of the industry, especially Canon. Film to Digital was revolutionary,...all improvements in digital, even to ML is evolutionary and many would say it's not an improvement at all.
 
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