The specifications for the upcoming Nikon Z 9 leak out ahead of the official announcement

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Thank you. That's less impressive. I do wonder how long an R1 will be 2022 late? 2023? Given the A1 and Z9 are are 2021 products.
Well, the Z9 isn't even officially announced yet, let alone released - it will be a '2022 product' in any meaningful sense. I agree with comments earlier that the R1 will likely (important word there) get its field testing at the Winter Olympics next year, similar to the R3 in Tokyo this year - with release announcement after that (ie late 2022).
 

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Top dog? You mean for being overpriced?

Those you are considering MPs to be the one and only spec that matters - go ahead and get your A1. Those that think the R3 needs to priced below the A1 since it has less MPs should consider all the reasons that the R3 will be considered a pro level camera and the A1 will not (probably the basis for the "toy" comment). The R3 will have the integrated grip, will be much more durably built, will no doubt have better weather sealing. Making cameras that are made to withstand pretty much any type of impact and any type of weather increases the cost - and makes it worth spending that money if one needs or wants a pro level camera. Comparing cameras by their MP count only is for spec lovers - not photographers, in my opinion.
Top dog? You mean for being overpriced?

Those you are considering MPs to be the one and only spec that matters - go ahead and get your A1. Those that think the R3 needs to priced below the A1 since it has less MPs should consider all the reasons that the R3 will be considered a pro level camera and the A1 will not (probably the basis for the "toy" comment). The R3 will have the integrated grip, will be much more durably built, will no doubt have better weather sealing. Making cameras that are made to withstand pretty much any type of impact and any type of weather increases the cost - and makes it worth spending that money if one needs or wants a pro level camera. Comparing cameras by their MP count only is for spec lovers - not photographers, in my opinion.
Hmmm....Guess MP isn't important to landscape, portrait, wildlife, or travel photographers. Sony bundled a camera with excellent weather sealing, 50 MP, 30 FPS, super AF, fantastic ISO performance, big buffer etc. Wish I had such a "toy"......but that stuff is for spec lovers, not photographers. lol
 
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Hmmm....Guess MP isn't important to landscape, portrait, wildlife, or travel photographers. Sony bundled a camera with excellent weather sealing, 50 MP, 30 FPS, super AF, fantastic ISO performance, big buffer etc. Wish I had such a "toy"......but that stuff is for spec lovers, not photographers. lol
And what does the A1 do that is $2,599 better than an R5? Sure it’s a good camera, but $6,498 worth?
 

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That's what I was just thinking about haha. Perhaps it's more of a tracking mode that is keen on tracking the windshield or a specific body panel. Or maybe it will continuously focus during a slow shutter speed while panning.
 

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Hmmm....Guess MP isn't important to landscape, portrait, wildlife, or travel photographers. Sony bundled a camera with excellent weather sealing, 50 MP, 30 FPS, super AF, fantastic ISO performance, big buffer etc. Wish I had such a "toy"......but that stuff is for spec lovers, not photographers. lol
I shoot landscapes, portraits, wildlife, and travel. I print up to 40” wide, as well as the typical digital modes of sharing images.

The only time I could potentially use more than the 18 MP of my 1D X is when the wildlife is distant birds and my 600/4 + 2xTC requires deep cropping. Even then, the distance is usually sufficiently great that atmospheric distortion is causing a loss of IQ. With 18 MP, I pretty much always need to downsample anyway.

It’s not that MP aren’t important, it’s just that there’s a point where more MP aren’t practically useful. For me, 20-30 MP are ample.

If you’re one of those people who likes to look at images 1:1 to oooh and ahhh over pixel-level detail, I’m sure you’d prefer the Sony. But in fact, you’d get even more pixel-level detail with a Canon M6 II or 90D.
 

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Hmmm....Guess MP isn't important to landscape, portrait, wildlife, or travel photographers. Sony bundled a camera with excellent weather sealing, 50 MP, 30 FPS, super AF, fantastic ISO performance, big buffer etc. Wish I had such a "toy"......but that stuff is for spec lovers, not photographers. lol
Why waste your time on 50 when you can get 61 for about half the price, hell you can buy two one to use and one to lose .
 

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The only time I could potentially use more than the 18 MP of my 1D X is when the wildlife is distant birds and my 600/4 + 2xTC requires deep cropping..
That and small birds at 10-20m and dragonflies and butterflies at 3-4m (closer than the mfd of the 600/4.0) are precisely where I dwell. So, we can get on really well not fighting each other in back order shortages and not stealing each other’s gear on hikes.;)
 
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If there's one thing that this announcement is going to do for me then it's to make me look much deeper into Nikon's offering before I commit to the RF system. [I'm deeply invested in the EF system
It's all about options. Canon also has 400 f2.8 and 600 f4 for those with deep pockets. As for now Nikon only offers up to 200mm natively on the Z-mount.
I switched from Nikon Z to Canon RF because it was clear that the Canon lens lineup would be vastly superior to Nikon. The 70-200 options sealed the deal.
 
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I switched from Nikon Z to Canon RF because it was clear that the Canon lens lineup would be vastly superior to Nikon. The 70-200 options sealed the deal.

That depends on what you are doing. The Z 70-200 f/2.8 is markably more useful to me than the Canon since it takes the 1.4X TC without any loss in IQ and AF speed that I can notice. If you want the most compact 70-200 and will just use it as a 70-200 then I agree the Canon one is better. But I wouldn't say any has a vastly superior lens lineup, at the very least with Nikon we have a public roadmap. With Canon I don't know when 'my' lens(es) are expected or if they are expected at all.
 

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With Canon I don't know when 'my' lens(es) are expected or if they are expected at all.
I haven’t followed Nikon’s lineup as I’m not interested in switching systems. Canon has the f/2.8 and f/4 ‘trinities’, the 109-500, a macro lens, and fast portrait primes. IMO, those are the basics for a FF system. The superteles (although not really native) and the 28-70/2 are nice niche lenses.

Meanwhile, adapted lenses work just fine. For some of ‘my’ lenses adapting them is better – much easier to use the drop-in filter adapter than a front filter on my TS-E 17 and 11-24.
 

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Funny how everyone whining about the R3 being "behind" Sony and Nikon offerings seems to forget that the R3 is offering eye-control autofocus, which may be the most revolutionary spec of all.
My vague recollection is that Jeff Cable said the R3 has additional undisclosed features too.
 

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Since the Z9 is a flagship, and the R3 isn't, the Z9 will probably be priced significantly higher than the R3.
 

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But basically you have switched systems. Even the RAW standard is new.

The only carry-through is the logo and batteries.
Shhhh…please don’t tell my EF-mount lenses —12 of them ranging from 11 to 600mm— that I’m ‘switching’. They think they’re coming with me. Oh, wait…they are. With added functionality for some, as mentioned.

Somehow I think my four 600EX flashes and my ST-E3-RT will work fine with my ‘new system’, as will the MT-24 EX twin flash that mounts on my 100 L and MP-E 65 1-5x macro lenses that won’t know I’m ‘switching’ unless you tell them. So…shhhhhh.

Amazingly, things like the menu systems and zoom directions will be the same in this ‘new system’.

But sure…I’m ‘switching’. :rolleyes:
 
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neurorx

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So look at it from a corporate view point. Nobody but Canon have a body in the R3 space, vs, how large is the R1/A1/Z9 market? Because once Canon are in it it will be divided by three.
Wouldnt the a9ii be the R3 competitor? Albiet the a9ii is going to be a bit dated given its similarity to the a9 in sensor tech and most of the other specifications.
 

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Hmmm....Guess MP isn't important to landscape, portrait, wildlife, or travel photographers. Sony bundled a camera with excellent weather sealing, 50 MP, 30 FPS, super AF, fantastic ISO performance, big buffer etc. Wish I had such a "toy"......but that stuff is for spec lovers, not photographers. lol
I guess for me the MP is part of the equation. I cant shoot performances with a huge lens. I do appreciate the ability to crop and want the speed and low light performance. The other features would mentioned with the R3 are nice, but are icing on the cake.