The specifications for the upcoming Nikon Z 9 leak out ahead of the official announcement

SwissFrank

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Nikon won't be doing stupidly slow superteles either
Again and again people on this forum cite the slow superteles mere existence as a reason to dis the entire line-up!

What the hell is wrong with these people that they don't understand that if you don't like a certain lens... you don't actually have to buy it?!!?

I'm seriously and genuinely puzzled.
 

schaudi

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Reading this thread, there is one question popping up again in my mind: does the change from Canon to Sony to Nikon and maybe back to one of this list (if the specs of a new camera are too mouthwatering) improve anyone's photography? I doubt this, given the fact, that today's tech is so good that most probably the (non-pro) photographer himself may need some brainware upgrade, if he is not satisfied with his results (I stress the masculine gender, because according to my experience, women are less prone to GAS and more interested in improving their photographer's skills). But that's just my humble few cents here...
No, newer and better tech or switching brands doesn't necessarily result in better images. BUT it makes it easier for u to do the job u supposed to do or the result u want to achieve.
Different ergonomics alone can make a huge difference, especially considering the amount and placement of buttons and other control elements. When shooting a wedding or a sporting or other live events – u don't get any second chance. u need to be able to control ur settings fast, without even thinking about them.

its the same with everything else. the chance of hitting the very perfect moment in a uncontrollable live situation is increasing dramatically with higher fps.

So yes - in the end it is still the one behind the camera who needs needs to know what he ist doing, the picture still won't be good if u don't now how to expose or compose or whatever. But the tech can help u with making it easier and faster to work with which increases the chance of getting better shots, IF u did choose the right one for the job u want get done.
 

schaudi

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With 100-400 S, 200-600 and 400 f/2.8 S and 600 f/4 S incoming. No f/11 abominations as part of the line-up or f/7.1 either. Nikon will no doubt release the superteles with the Z9 and you must have missed the fact they already have 400/ f/2.8 and 600 f/4 and Canon's so-called RF versions are just adapted EF lenses, so better than using the current Nikon's with an adapter.
what the hell? its not like canon is offering no options to those f/11 lenses. they are just a bonus for those who can't afford a small new car worth of glass. if u don't want them buy the expansive ones, which are available. no need to cry that canon has a option for consumers too.

and btw. regarding the f/7.1 thing - if this is about the 100-500 - u still are at f/5.6 @ 400mm like with the 100-400 before, but just get extra reach as a bonus. nothing special but also nothing to constantly cry about.
 

SwissFrank

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If it is the latter, all the moaning about how inferior the (cheaper) R3 is to the Z9
Jordan23's already said this, but what does the Z9 actually have the R3 doesn't, except for MP? And, I see maybe the majority of this forum arguing 24MP is actually better than 48MP let alone 96MP. (I think they're dead wrong but whatevs.)

Arguably the Z9 isn't trying to beat the R1 to market, it's playing catch-up to the R3?
 

Codebunny

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Jordan23's already said this, but what does the Z9 actually have the R3 doesn't, except for MP? And, I see maybe the majority of this forum arguing 24MP is actually better than 48MP let alone 96MP. (I think they're dead wrong but whatevs.)

Arguably the Z9 isn't trying to beat the R1 to market, it's playing catch-up to the R3?

It competes with the D6, 1DX3, and R3 just now. Because there is no R1 to compete with. The number of MP is just one (very small) aspect of the spec sheet.
 
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privatebydesign

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Yes this is what Canon are saying but you wonder if it will be convincing if the R3 reviews well. Other than battery life it’s hard to say at the moment as to what you’d point to say the 1DXIII is the better model. I think it will give it an old fashioned out of date feel to the 1DX III. It will be interesting what the real world attitude will be and whether Canon struggle to continue to sell the 1DXIII without discounting (they may also reduce supply of the 1DX III).
I think the point is more that the R3 is not a Z9 or A1 competitor. I have said before I think there is a realignment of what a flagship camera is, the modest mp preferred by the traditional flagship market is not where the latest flagships are going.

In essence the R3 is the spiritual successor to the 1 series with the form factor and lower mp, battery etc, but there is much Canon have on the horizon that smacks of much ‘better’ for their flagship. Quad pixel and global shutters are two big features that I’d expect to see on that flagship R1 and I suspect it will align mp wise much closer to the Z9 and A1 than the R3. More 1D (R3) and 1DS (R1), than 1DX.
 

privatebydesign

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The D800/810 had really bad colors right out of camera, e.g. they turned mauve colors into cold blue impossible to recover - like the older 12 MP Nikons (I know what I am talking about). Ming Thein, a Nikon user, therefore loved the 5DSR for the fact, that he just could use the images right of the camera (https://blog.mingthein.com/2015/08/19/long-term-canon-5dsr/). With recent generations, Nikon engineers improved their color science much indeed, so the D850 is a really good camera. But this game is over, I guess.
Mauve/purple/indigo/violet are very difficult colors for Bayer array sensors to accurately replicate, not just the D800/810. Not suggesting they weren’t particularly difficult, but many cameras can’t take a picture of a rainbow past blue.


I was a follower of Ming back then and he didn’t keep the 5DSr so the color issue wasn’t so serious to him, and Nikon didn’t have their PC-E 19 at the time and he loved the Canon TS-E17. Go figure....
 
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rbielefeld

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Incoming yes, as for now not released. Even though you dislike the f11 superteles they're cheap and available, and those who own them are taking wonderful photos with them.

I'm comparing Z-mount teles to RF. Both Nikon and Canon has a wide selection of F and EF teles.
The Canon 800 f/11 is no abomination. It is an excellent lens with awesome AF performance and much less restrictive then you might think given it is f/11. Given the price point, compactness, and very low weight; it is an awesome offering from Canon.
 

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rbielefeld

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What I find interesting is that the Z9 is being touted as Nikon's next sports centric camera body - "Nikon’s Z9 has concluded its testing at the Olympics and a new report has surfaced that promises some rather impressive specifications for Nikon’s forthcoming sports-focused camera, including a 45-megapixel sensor..." At the same time I keep hearing that sports photographers do not want 45 or 50mp; they want 20 or 24mp, thus the Canon R3 will be 24mp because it is being marketed to sports photographers. Seems Canon thinks differently then Nikon and Sony with regards to what sports photographers want/need.
 

Codebunny

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What I find interesting is that the Z9 is being touted as Nikon's next sports centric camera body - "Nikon’s Z9 has concluded its testing at the Olympics and a new report has surfaced that promises some rather impressive specifications for Nikon’s forthcoming sports-focused camera, including a 45-megapixel sensor..." At the same time I keep hearing that sports photographers do not want 45 or 50mp; they want 20 or 24mp, thus the Canon R3 will be 24mp because it is being marketed to sports photographers. Seems Canon thinks differently then Nikon and Sony with regards to what sports photographers want/need.

Canon has more to lose than Nikon and certainly more than Sony in the pro sports space. Personally I feel that 45 MP should come with 2.5 Gbps ethernet ports so that there is no slowdown to the workflow, but that requires huge changes to all the infrastructure and only affects tethered shooters. 45MP is purely to meet the 8k spec, but (unlike Canon?) Nikon bodies can shot smaller RAW files if need be and various forms of lossless and lossy RAW that negate the higher pixel count. Computers are also not markably faster and you can easily edit a 45MP image on a iPad and I very much look forward to doing that early next year with Capture One coming to iPad.
 

neurorx

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Two things about this new rumor excite me.
1.) First and foremost, I’m excited for Nikon to actually not only catch up, but potentially surpass the competition. I’ve spoken with many of my Nikon shooting friends over the past couple years and their mirrorless offering DOES NOT seem to appeal to many of them, as none of the ones I’m friends with bought into it…and many of them even considered Canon. haha
2.) This means we are really going to see the R3 at the price point I actually think it’s going to fall into, $4500-5200. The breadcrumbs are there. The R3 is a competitor for the A9 ($4500) and not the A1. Canon has made that clear with their statements about it being placed below the 1DXIII and above the R5. So that tells me they do not intend to price the camera at the 1DX price. All these clowns online keep posting the price at $6000 to $6500 and I just don’t see that happening. Especially with the Z 9 now?!? Canon will be the laughing stock of the photo world if it prices a 24mp camera up against a 45- and 50-mp cameras…that’s not going to happen. But it might happen…it’s Canon. LOL
I agree, if the R3 comes in at 5999, it will be way overpriced but 5500 would still be a bit high, 5000 is more likely what is competitive if you are looking at comparing it to an a9ii with a battery grip.
 

neurorx

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Does anyone know how many megapixels a 6Mb Nikon (RAW?) file would be? I am not sure how to interpret the high fps with the file size.
 

bellorusso

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Unlike Canon, Nikons knows at least that two CFExpress memory cards is better than having two different types of cards. Why Canon keeps forcing us two buy different types of media is beyond understanding. Angers me.
 

djack41

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Looks like Nikon is firing all guns! Hope they can get production rolling soon. Canon needs to release the R1 soon. Right now, the 50 MP Sony A1 is top dog.
 

Del Paso

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A company which was able to develop and produce such a great camera as the Nikon F2 must survive !
Best camera ever along with the Leica M3 , Leicaflex SL and Canon F1 original.
 

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With 100-400 S, 200-600 and 400 f/2.8 S and 600 f/4 S incoming. No f/11 abominations as part of the line-up or f/7.1 either. Nikon will no doubt release the superteles with the Z9 and you must have missed the fact they already have 400/ f/2.8 and 600 f/4 and Canon's so-called RF versions are just adapted EF lenses, so better than using the current Nikon's with an adapter.
Sounds like someone needs a Snickers™