The specifications for the upcoming Nikon Z 9 leak out ahead of the official announcement

neurorx

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Hmmm....Guess MP isn't important to landscape, portrait, wildlife, or travel photographers. Sony bundled a camera with excellent weather sealing, 50 MP, 30 FPS, super AF, fantastic ISO performance, big buffer etc. Wish I had such a "toy"......but that stuff is for spec lovers, not photographers. lol
I guess for me the MP is part of the equation. I cant shoot performances with a huge lens. I do appreciate the ability to crop and want the speed and low light performance. The other features would mentioned with the R3 are nice, but are icing on the cake.
 

SNJ Ops

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I used to think like that, but in actual fact my real world card use suits a fast card and a ubiquitous card type combination much better than two fast and expensive specialist cards. So I am happy with the choice.

I’m sure the R1 will get two same type high end card slots So save your money and anxiety for that release.
Or just do what Sony did for the A7SIII and A1 and offer dual hybrid card slots. 1 side of each slot takes SD cards, the other side takes CF express type A.

Canon could do the same and offer SD and CFX type B hybrid slots.
 

SNJ Ops

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Top dog? You mean for being overpriced?

Those you are considering MPs to be the one and only spec that matters - go ahead and get your A1. Those that think the R3 needs to priced below the A1 since it has less MPs should consider all the reasons that the R3 will be considered a pro level camera and the A1 will not (probably the basis for the "toy" comment). The R3 will have the integrated grip, will be much more durably built, will no doubt have better weather sealing. Making cameras that are made to withstand pretty much any type of impact and any type of weather increases the cost - and makes it worth spending that money if one needs or wants a pro level camera. Comparing cameras by their MP count only is for spec lovers - not photographers, in my opinion.
The A1 is aimed at a wide range of use cases and users. Its a far far more versatile and much much higher spec camera than Canon’s 1DX MKIII which costs the same yet some say the A1 is overpriced.

This idea that a pro camera needs to have a built in grip is absolute nonsense. Are Product, Press , Wedding, Fashion, Family, Portrait, Property, Landscape and Commercial Photographers not professionals too? They may not have any need or want for a larger camera at all.
 
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But again, these are professional cameras, aimed at professional photographers.
I know some pro photographers, and I, being an amateur (but a science journalist), published some of my wildlife images e.g. in a leading German newspaper (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/...und-anderen-fliegenden-fischern-16778607.html). So, of course, I am fully aware of that topic, but the pros I know don't spend any time for posting in photography gear threads. I guess here, like me, mostly skilled amateurs are posting. Btw digital photography improved my analogue photography with vintage cameras simply because I could play and check the results immediately. So it is going in opposite direction in my personal case ;)

Don't misunderstand me, I am not anti new gear, otherwise I wouldn't be on Canonrumors, I appreciate it is existing (Canon: were's a decend R7?). But you do not always need the latest gear to get better results. Really skilled photographers can even with toy cameras create interesting images, I remember the funny and very inspiring series about that on "digital rev tv" ...
 

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I know some pro photographers, and I, being an amateur (but a science journalist), published some of my wildlife images e.g. in a leading German newspaper (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/...und-anderen-fliegenden-fischern-16778607.html). So, of course, I am fully aware of that topic, but the pros I know don't spend any time for posting in photography gear threads. I guess here, like me, mostly skilled amateurs are posting. Btw digital photography improved my analogue photography with vintage cameras simply because I could play and check the results immediately. So it is going in opposite direction in my personal case ;)

Don't misunderstand me, I am not anti new gear, otherwise I wouldn't be on Canonrumors, I appreciate it is existing (Canon: were's a decend R7?). But you do not always need the latest gear to get better results. Really skilled photographers can even with toy cameras create interesting images, I remember the funny and very inspiring series about that on "digital rev tv" ...
A nice article with some great photos. It would be much appreciated if you post some here. By the way, Terns are now missing from Inner Farne as our National Trust failed to maintain their habitat during the covid period and it became too overgrown for them.
 

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This idea that a pro camera needs to have a built in grip is absolute nonsense. Are Product, Press , Wedding, Fashion, Family, Portrait, Property, ………… Photographers not professionals too? They may not have any need or want for a larger camera at all.
I’d just point out that in some of those areas of photography that you mention togs are often using relatively heavy lenses and flash. Without being able to get a proper full grip on the body the camera is constantly trying to tip forwards in your hand and thus becomes a bit of a strain after a while. But I agree, a body doesn’t have to have an built in grip to be “professional”.
 
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neuroanatomist

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I’d just point out that in some of those areas of photography that you mention togs are often using relatively heavy lenses and flash. Without being able to get a proper full grip on the body the camera is constantly trying to tip forwards in your hand and thus becomes a bit of a strain after a while. But I agree, a body doesn’t have to have an built in grip to be “professional”.
That’s the reason I far prefer the integrated grip – after a day of shooting with a non-gripped body and one of my typical lenses (24-70/2.8, 70-200/2.8) my hand is sore. With a gripped body, that doesn’t happen. But I also shoot frequently with a tripod, generally with wide or TS-E lenses where there’s no collar, and an add-on grip adds flex/vibration.
 

MoonMadness

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Canon has already stated at naseum that the R3 is NOT it's flagship. Period. It's a new line.
Fine, someone else already answered pretty much the same. But, regardless of what Canon stated about what is and is not their flagship camera, what do you people think is their flagship camera, based upon what we do know about the R3? I'm asking in regard to all currently released Canon cameras as well as the R3 (but not the R1). I would think it'd be the R3.
 

neuroanatomist

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Fine, someone else already answered pretty much the same. But, regardless of what Canon stated about what is and is not their flagship camera, what do you people think is their flagship camera, based upon what we do know about the R3? I'm asking in regard to all currently released Canon cameras as well as the R3 (but not the R1). I would think it'd be the R3.
The 1D X III.

Why do you assume the flagship must be a MILC? Keep in mind that DSLRs comprise 44% of the ILC market, and that the Canon native lens selection for FF DSLRs comprises double the number of native RF lenses.
 

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My vague recollection is that Jeff Cable said the R3 has additional undisclosed features too.
You are indeed correct.

Jeff's Post from July 1st states "There are all kinds of new features (that have yet to be disclosed to the public), but the camera is distinctly Canon, which makes it easy to pick up and start shooting with. It is like upgrading from a familiar car to a new model with all the buttons and dials where we expect them, but with more horse power and better handling."
 

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But I also shoot frequently with a tripod, generally with wide or TS-E lenses where there’s no collar, and an add-on grip adds flex/vibration.
There is no doubt that the degree of flex in the battery grip/ body combo is substantial and when mounted on a heavy tripod is quite disconcerting. This wasn’t the case with the film 1 series bodies where to fit the battery grip the whole of the front grip came off and the grip incorporated in the ‘battery grip’ fitted up inside the camera via a cone shaped male female arrangement. Bottom was fixed via tripod socket in the traditional way. This gave a totally flex-free mounting and was far superior to what we have now.
 

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I don't have an opinion on whether the Nikon screen articulates and don't actually care either.

Just saying, there's plausibly black tape along all four edges of that screen, in a manner seemingly calculated to hide its articulability...
 

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I don't have an opinion on whether the Nikon screen articulates and don't actually care either.

Just saying, there's plausibly black tape along all four edges of that screen, in a manner seemingly calculated to hide its articulability...

It is supposedly a new mechanism, perhaps one that has the pros of the flip out screen that can also go into portrait mode. Hopefully not fully articulating.
 
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MoonMadness

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The 1D X III.

Why do you assume the flagship must be a MILC? Keep in mind that DSLRs comprise 44% of the ILC market, and that the Canon native lens selection for FF DSLRs comprises double the number of native RF lenses.
Why do you assume I assume that "the flagship MUST be a MILC? "
 

neuroanatomist

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Why do you assume I assume that "the flagship MUST be a MILC? "
Mainly because you asked what the flagship could be, and then suggested the R3 is Canon’s flagship, despite Canon having stated that their flagship is the 1D X III.

The R3 is not a 1-series. Done.
 

MoonMadness

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Mainly because you asked what the flagship could be, and then suggested the R3 is Canon’s flagship, despite Canon having stated that their flagship is the 1D X III.

The R3 is not a 1-series. Done.
Strange how you came to that conclusion. I never said anything about the Canon flagship needing to be a "MILC". Having a mirror or not, there are other features in the R3 that the 1DXiii that I feel would deserve it to be more of a flagship. I'm asking people which one they, themselves, "feel" it to be, if they were to ignore what Canon says it is. But you keeping bringing up what Canon says is their flagship, which I agree with you in that is what Canon says, but that's not what I am asking individual people.
 

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Strange how you came to that conclusion. I never said anything about the Canon flagship needing to be a "MILC". Having a mirror or not, there are other features in the R3 that the 1DXiii that I feel would deserve it to be more of a flagship. I'm asking people which one they, themselves, "feel" it to be, if they were to ignore what Canon says it is. But you keeping bringing up what Canon says is their flagship, which I agree with you in that is what Canon says, but that's not what I am asking individual people.
And individual people can only answer based upon what they know. Along with some detailed specs (but not all), what we 'know' is that the intended place for the R3 in the line-up will be behind the 1DXiii, because Canon says so. Once they release the full spces, we'll all be in a better position to see what it's niche is meant to be. But given how closely Canon work with their 1DX users (and by that I mean: very closely indeed), if they are saying the 1DXiii remains the top of the tree, then I'm thinking that is what it will be (until the R1 comes along).
 

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Strange how you came to that conclusion. I never said anything about the Canon flagship needing to be a "MILC". Having a mirror or not, there are other features in the R3 that the 1DXiii that I feel would deserve it to be more of a flagship. I'm asking people which one they, themselves, "feel" it to be, if they were to ignore what Canon says it is. But you keeping bringing up what Canon says is their flagship, which I agree with you in that is what Canon says, but that's not what I am asking individual people.
Apologies, you said nothing about it needing to be a MILC, that was an incorrect assumption on my part.

‘Flagship product’ is the highest profile or most expensive, and that describes the 1D X III, not the R3. People can ‘feel’ whatever they want. The manufacturer gets to designate their flagship, and Canon has done so.

If someone wants to believe the R5 is the flagship because more MP make it deserving, or the M6 II is the flagship because a higher pixel density makes it deserving, that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, even if it’s wrong.
 
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