It’s been a while, but an APS-C equipped EOS R body gets another mention [CR2]

tron

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Enough with this R hype (although as an EOS R owner with 4 RF lenses I am NOT a hater). Give us a 7DIII with no AA filter :)
 

Gloads

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APS-C or smaller is still 90% of the mirrorless ILC market.
Fair point, but this is a new system, with new lenses. What problem are they solving by releasing an APS-C body? As I posted later, just cost reduce the RP instead. If the target is a rebel class R camera, cost reduce the RP even more. The dev costs are sunk already, and you will sell more glass, and pull users in if they can get a FF body for $500 (or even a kit).
 

gruhl28

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Oops! I initially thought that comment was directed at me. IMHO, the 80D/90D are better all around generalist cameras than the 7D Mark II if one doesn't need the extra durability and better AF for sports/action. They have far better IQ at ISO 100 - ISO 400 than the 7D Mark II. At ISO 800 and above there's not much practical difference, though the 7D Mark II does test a bit better in terms of S/N ratio and DR past ISO 1600 than the 80D.
I was actually asking NetMage , who implied that he or she prefers the original 7D over the 90D, and didn't upgrade to the Mark II because it's too targeted to action/birding, but thanks for the detailed info.
 
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Dexter75

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Dec 18, 2019
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the RP is $999, this thing would be what? $699? Who’s going to buy that when almost every RF lens is over $2200? Canon needs affordable RF lenses, like yesterday
 

SecureGSM

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Yes, indeed. However, Samyang has released one AF lens for RF mount, the 14mm F2.8 RF, so I would expect them to release more AF lenses since they have about 8 AF lenses for the Sony E mount.
While every other third party lens manufacturer watching for Canon’s reaction to a potential IP violation by Samy. See what happens. Right?
 

Michael Clark

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I was actually asking NetMage , who implied that he or she prefers the original 7D over the 90D, and didn't upgrade to the Mark II because it's too targeted to action/birding, but thanks for the detailed info.
Even the 80D kicks the original 7D's can all over the field. Easy.

The 7D Mark II is what the 7D should have been, but was not.
 

Michael Clark

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Fair point, but this is a new system, with new lenses. What problem are they solving by releasing an APS-C body? As I posted later, just cost reduce the RP instead. If the target is a rebel class R camera, cost reduce the RP even more. The dev costs are sunk already, and you will sell more glass, and pull users in if they can get a FF body for $500 (or even a kit).
There's a significant difference between "less than the RP" at an introductory price of $1,299 (body only) and "$500 (or even a kit)."

Just look at recent past history:

EOS 77D introductory price: $899 (2017-02)
EOS Rebel T7i/800D introductory price: $749 (2017-02)

Only $150 between the top Rebel and the lowest x0D.
The new "budget" EOS R will not be $500, it will be $800-900.
 

Michael Clark

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the RP is $999, this thing would be what? $699? Who’s going to buy that when almost every RF lens is over $2200? Canon needs affordable RF lenses, like yesterday
I'd guess more like $749-$899 after debuting at $999-$1099. In the sub $1000 price range Canon has tended to have models spaced about every $150-200. And the RP debuted at $1,299, not $999.
 

Gloads

EOS M50
Jan 27, 2020
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There's a significant difference between "less than the RP" at an introductory price of $1,299 (body only) and "$500 (or even a kit)."

Just look at recent past history:

EOS 77D introductory price: $899 (2017-02)
EOS Rebel T7i/800D introductory price: $749 (2017-02)

Only $150 between the top Rebel and the lowest x0D.
The new "budget" EOS R will not be $500, it will be $800-900.
So the M Series fills that gap, no? It is apparent that they are placing all their bets on R systems, so maybe this is a reason to do an APS-C R. Short of that, if they are truly leaving EF/EF-S behind, they can have the M series be the lower end/bridge mirrorless system to the R.
 
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Canon can let the M series compete at the APS-C level with the addition of several decent lenses. It has the frame rate capability to replace the 7Dii and a higher end M level body, at a higher price point, should suffice. Otherwise, abandon the APS market to Fuji and concentrate on "affordable" lenses for the R mount. A "nifty fifty" would be nice, a moderately priced mid-range zoom (18-135 like) and one longer telephoto similar to the 70-300 IS f4.0-5.6 would round out a kit. Canon has a window while Nikon is struggling with lens options to forge ahead and catch Sony.
 

Michael Clark

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Canon can let the M series compete at the APS-C level with the addition of several decent lenses. It has the frame rate capability to replace the 7Dii and a higher end M level body, at a higher price point, should suffice. Otherwise, abandon the APS market to Fuji and concentrate on "affordable" lenses for the R mount. A "nifty fifty" would be nice, a moderately priced mid-range zoom (18-135 like) and one longer telephoto similar to the 70-300 IS f4.0-5.6 would round out a kit. Canon has a window while Nikon is struggling with lens options to forge ahead and catch Sony.
Wait, so you're saying on an EF-M mount camera I can't use all 79 EF zoom lenses, all 61 EF primes lenses, all 8 TS-E lenses, the MP-E 65mm, and all 12 EF-S lenses that Canon has sold since 1987?
 

koketso

EOS M5 | Sony A7
Jan 26, 2019
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Why not just cost-reduce the RP and then lower the price on the R, when the R2 comes out?

RP @ $650
R1 @ $1,200
R2 @ $2,500
RS and/or R5 @ $3,500

Thoughts?
RP at $650 would kill the 6DMkII, 90D, M6MkII, and upcoming 850D. Therefore... its not happening. I don't see the EOS RP ever going below $899 in its lifetime (unless on sale of course).
 

SteveC

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RP at $650 would kill the 6DMkII, 90D, M6MkII, and upcoming 850D. Therefore... its not happening. I don't see the EOS RP ever going below $899 in its lifetime (unless on sale of course).
I don't see it killing the M6mkII or the 90D simply because the sensor has significantly less resolution. I personally wouldn't trade my M6-II straight across for an RP. Sometimes lower resolution can be advantageous, but it's not always so, so the RP is not unambiguously better than the other camera..
 
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Michael Clark

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RP at $650 would kill the 6DMkII, 90D, M6MkII, and upcoming 850D. Therefore... its not happening. I don't see the EOS RP ever going below $899 in its lifetime (unless on sale of course).
The RP and the 90D/M6 Mark II are entirely different tools intended for entirely different purposes.

As far as the 6D Mark II goes, I doubt it is selling in very high numbers now. It's already been on the market for three years. There's not much left to kill from Canon's perspective. That ship sailed the moment the RP was introduced.
 
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