Has Canon entered the Graveyard Spiral?

[jukka]

no I do not, and as I say, you get used, now my Canons LCD looks to reddish, my answer was, if you not like the the yellow tint you can adjust WB so the LCD mirrors a warmer reproduction (RAW), or use another profile (if it is important to se the colors in the LCD" more neutral" ) and regarding d800 the yellow tint are not seen in every situation

You cannot "use another profile" unless you hack the Nikon firmware, you can use another picture style, you can change the WB (though only a fool would do that to get a more accurate screen rendition), you can change saturation, but you can't change the screens profile.

the eyes (brain) adapt to the more yellow LCD after a while.

Nikon themselves have now acknowledged this is a fault, even if you don't, and they are dealing with correcting it. But even though the eye/brain has an incredible ability to deal with coloured light and auto correct, that doesn't diminish the fact that, amazing though they are, they cannot instantly correct between a green screen and the actual scene in front of them, indeed that is why the D800 and D4, the $6,000 camera in my earlier post, both appear to have green tints, precisely because the eye can't deal with the inaccuracies of the Nikon screen profile.

pictures style standard , neutral etc are profiles and the differences shall also been shown in the LCD

 

[Loswr]

there are no problem to adjust the AWB a little bit and and then the motive looks fine at the LCD in d800.
The AWB correction does not affect the jpg image out from the camera

If you're saying one must adjust the AWB so the D800 LCD shows the correct color, there IS a problem. I don't see how that can be interpreted any other way.

So, if you alter the baseline AWB on the D800, it has no effect on the JPG image output? I don't understand - if that's true, what is the point of the adjustment??

 

[jukka]

There are probably a bug in the jpg rendition, as I told you before, a d700 or d3s picture looks the same in d700 and d800 LCD . And no, in a serie I just shoot from d800 and JPG (I never use JPG) I can not se any visual differences in the out come

 

[Loswr]

There are probably a bug in the jpg rendition, as I told you before, a d700 or d3s picture looks the same in d700 and d800 LCD .

So...the LCD has a problem in that there is an incorrect color tint, and the in camera JPG conversion engine has a bug so that it fails to incorporate modifications to the baseline AWB during conversion. What do you know, two wrongs DO make a right!

Has the AWB bug been substantiated? This is the first I've heard of it...

 

[jrista]

There are probably a bug in the jpg rendition, as I told you before, a d700 or d3s picture looks the same in d700 and d800 LCD .

So...the LCD has a problem in that there is an incorrect color tint, and the in camera JPG conversion engine has a bug so that it fails to incorporate modifications to the baseline AWB during conversion. What do you know, two wrongs DO make a right!

Has the AWB bug been substantiated? This is the first I've heard of it...

Early on there was a bug with AWB, as D800 users were seeing the same green tint they had on the LCD in post. One of the video reviews, I think it was the one with the rodeo guy, actually demonstrated the problem. As far as I know, that was cleared up within the first few months via a firmware update.

 

[jukka]

There are probably a bug in the jpg rendition, as I told you before, a d700 or d3s picture looks the same in d700 and d800 LCD .

So...the LCD has a problem in that there is an incorrect color tint, and the in camera JPG conversion engine has a bug so that it fails to incorporate modifications to the baseline AWB during conversion. What do you know, two wrongs DO make a right!

Has the AWB bug been substantiated? This is the first I've heard of it...

we are going to look in to it tomorrow

here is the result from my 5dmk2 and d800
Jpg shooten with AWB in 2800K LIGHT

5DMK2 TO THE LEFT AND D800 TO THE RIGHT JPG and AWB

AND a corrected RAW FROM 5DMK2

 

[Loswr]

Awww so two wrongs do not make a right, because one of the wrongs has already been fixed, leaving only one wrong - the tinted LCD.

What is the point of these JPG images, with such an arbitrary subject, when obviously they are going to be impacted by other in-camera settings besides AWB (Picture Style, etc.)?

 

[jrista]

What is the point of these JPG images, with such an arbitrary subject, when obviously they are going to be impacted by other in-camera settings besides AWB (Picture Style, etc.)?

Sounds like classic Mikael to me...so everything is status quo. ;P

 

[jukka]

Well , one is to show that 5dmk2 AWB is not better in than d800 in 2800K LIGHT and that we can agree that the LCD from d800 and 5dmk2 are showing the pre view jpg different

 

[Loswr]

Well , one is to show that 5dmk2 AWB is not better in than d800 in 2800K LIGHT

And what, exactly, does that have to do with the problem of the D800's incorrectly tinted LCD? From what I can tell, nothing. As I understand it, herring is popular in Scandinavian countries. Seems like the red variety is being offered here...

 

[jukka]

Oh, I thought you understood that if I or any other change a little in the AWB, see above, the image from the LCD are not showing any green /yellow tint

 

[Loswr]

Oh, I thought you understood that if I or any other change a little in the AWB, see above, the image from the LCD are not showing any green /yellow tint

I do understand. I thought that you understood that changing the AWB to correct the on-camera LCD display problem also changes WB of the JPG file output, and the RAW metadata AWB value as well, forcing one to live with a systematically incorrect WB or correct all files in post. As a 'fix' for the LCD tint problem, your suggestion leaves much to be desired.

 

[RLPhoto]

The d800 screen looks like vomit. Very similar to what It used to look like on my 5Dc. Its terrible.

strong words, there are no problem to adjust the AWB a little bit and and then the motive looks fine at the LCD in d800.
The yellow /green tint is gone (in the LCD)
The small AWB correction does not affect the jpg image out from the camera

This is AWB from 5dmk2, d800 and raw file adjusted
None of the AWB in 5dmk2 or d800 does a proper job in 2800K

These level cameras are very expensive. I expect them to get out of my way and get me my photos I want.

For 3000$ in 2012, I expect a proper LCD.

 

[Bennymiata]

Some months ago, I noticed that Myer were having a 20% off sale in their camera department, so I went in and asked if they had a 5D MkIII in stock.
The guy checked up and said that they didn't have any of them in stock, but could order one in for me.
I asked if he ordered it, would I still get 20% off the RRP, and he said yes I would.
So, I ordered my 5D3 from him and 4 days later it arrived in and I ended up saving around $400 from the cheapest Aussie stock I could find at the time, and I even got a $75.00 gift card with it as an extra bonus.

Sometimes, you have to keep your nose to the ground to get the best deals, and sometimes, they come from the most unexpected places.