Say that I have a bunch of Canon expensive lenses, and between now and then 2016, what if Sony develops a newer FF camera like the rumor A7r II ( higher ISO, quieter,speedier autofocus plus 5-axis stabilization) and MetabXXX comes up with improved faster focusing electronic adapter for Canon lenses, would you consider these options (hypothetically)? Bear in mind anything could happen between now and then .... in specifications etc ....coz' it is only a rumor.
Will you wait for Canon 6D MKII and 5D MK IV (2016 releases) ....?
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I would urge all those who are curious about the Sony A7 or A7R (either versions I or II) to buy one or rent one and try it out. I have heard so much about this "incredible sensor" that I decided to see for myself and bought a Sony A7 II and a Fotodiox adapter. To make a long story short, the A7 II and the adapter were returned for a refund. The Canon 6D with its totally inferior sensor, took, in my opinion, the better pictures.
It is possible for those who shoot in extreme lighting conditions to be much happier with the Sony. I did take one pic indoors of light streaming in through a window. Pushing the indoor shadows resulted in a much cleaner image on the Sony. But under daylight conditions shooting landscape shots, there was either no discernible difference between the cameras, or the Canon took shots more to my liking. Granted, it is a personal opinion, but the 2 additional stops of DR in the Sony was either not noticeable, barely noticeable, or created photos with less contrast - a negative in my opinion. I took some sunset photos hoping those 2 stops more DR would help, but the 2 stops was not noticeable at all as it would have taken many more stops of DR to capture the difference in light and dark under those conditions. All in all, I preferred the color of the Canon, and the greater contrast gave me pics with more punch. The Sony, whether because of the greater DR or because of a different tone curve, gave me pics that seemed more washed out and with less contrast.
I bought a Fotodiox adapter that did not give me autofocus on my older Canon lens. Most of the adapters will not give AF on Canon lenses older than 2006, although there seems to be some hit and miss concerning AF and which lenses actual work. The exposure was OK, but not as good or reliable as on the Canon. If you enjoy manual focus and using focus peaking, then this a better option than the Sony kit lens. I actually tried two versions of the kit lens and they were both very soft away from the center.
So, not only am I much more satisfied with my 6D, I doubt I will be upgrading any time soon.
It is possible for those who shoot in extreme lighting conditions to be much happier with the Sony. I did take one pic indoors of light streaming in through a window. Pushing the indoor shadows resulted in a much cleaner image on the Sony. But under daylight conditions shooting landscape shots, there was either no discernible difference between the cameras, or the Canon took shots more to my liking. Granted, it is a personal opinion, but the 2 additional stops of DR in the Sony was either not noticeable, barely noticeable, or created photos with less contrast - a negative in my opinion. I took some sunset photos hoping those 2 stops more DR would help, but the 2 stops was not noticeable at all as it would have taken many more stops of DR to capture the difference in light and dark under those conditions. All in all, I preferred the color of the Canon, and the greater contrast gave me pics with more punch. The Sony, whether because of the greater DR or because of a different tone curve, gave me pics that seemed more washed out and with less contrast.
I bought a Fotodiox adapter that did not give me autofocus on my older Canon lens. Most of the adapters will not give AF on Canon lenses older than 2006, although there seems to be some hit and miss concerning AF and which lenses actual work. The exposure was OK, but not as good or reliable as on the Canon. If you enjoy manual focus and using focus peaking, then this a better option than the Sony kit lens. I actually tried two versions of the kit lens and they were both very soft away from the center.
So, not only am I much more satisfied with my 6D, I doubt I will be upgrading any time soon.
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There are so few photos I take where I am just unhappy with the result... So for me... No. That's not to say my photos are great.... But the sensor and lens combos do the job.
I do hate bright noon day sunlight, and the shadows that result... But maybe I just wait for a passing cloud or take photos the next day.... There isn't much pressure.
I do hate bright noon day sunlight, and the shadows that result... But maybe I just wait for a passing cloud or take photos the next day.... There isn't much pressure.
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Hey I figure any equipment I use is better then the photographer. I'm not limited by my tools. 
I know I will not be the first to say this, but the times I am truly DR limited, it's not like an extra 2 stops would do it. Instead it's usually the classic dark forest and bright sky requiring a dynamic range not covered by any sensor today.
And you are looking at a guy who just picked up 6D recently. It is exactly how I figured it would be (going from a 70D), completely underwhelming yet I liked it. The full frame sensor has it's place for me. I love it's low light capabilities. But when there is plenty/enough light, I can't distinguish between full frame and crop images at any normal print or viewing resolution (aka without pixel peeping and even then).
To me, once a sensor is "good enough", passing a certain threshold, it becomes about almost everything else in the system (focusing, ergonomics, lenses, etc) and the pure IQ of the sensor falls to the bottom of the compare list.
I know I will not be the first to say this, but the times I am truly DR limited, it's not like an extra 2 stops would do it. Instead it's usually the classic dark forest and bright sky requiring a dynamic range not covered by any sensor today.
And you are looking at a guy who just picked up 6D recently. It is exactly how I figured it would be (going from a 70D), completely underwhelming yet I liked it. The full frame sensor has it's place for me. I love it's low light capabilities. But when there is plenty/enough light, I can't distinguish between full frame and crop images at any normal print or viewing resolution (aka without pixel peeping and even then).
To me, once a sensor is "good enough", passing a certain threshold, it becomes about almost everything else in the system (focusing, ergonomics, lenses, etc) and the pure IQ of the sensor falls to the bottom of the compare list.
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Takingshots said:
Well, comparing my A7r to friend's A7 II, I much preferred to have the smaller size of A7r over A7 II's IBIS. FPS was definitely faster with A7II, but it was still not nearly good enough to shoot sports or anything. For that, you would still need a pro-level DSLR anyway. A7r II is supposed to have the same 36 MP sensor, so for landscape and one-shot photo's, I would still take the smaller A7r.
It has not been too long since Metabones released the MkIV. Improved AF speed via adapter is simply not going to happen to any real pro or near-pro speed needs, from Metabones or anybody else.Takingshots said:
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of course the A7 (II) is a very good product but with a METABxxx the AF of Canon Lens is horrible... that the only reason why i hesitate to go on SONY and why i could wait a 6D MK II... If anyone can release a product for the sony A7 xx able to give full capacity of the AF, i will jump on it and buy a A7 II. But if the 6D MK II will be too much expensive, i think i will accept the choice of A7 MKII + metabXXX with the little improved faster focusing electronic adapter for canon lenses... The question is ; when will come this 6D mk II ?Takingshots said:
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dak723 said:
;D ;D ;D
I've said before myself, I'd put the 6D up against the A7 anytime, although my experience is with the D800.
But you're very brave to state that here: the pro exmor brigade who use CR as a platform to preach from are very tenacious and unlikely to be swayed by mere practical experience
Look at the charts man ! Look at the charts !
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I shoot architecture and dance. The 5DSr coupled with the 24 TS-E sorts out my architectural needs, the 1DX is a beast for low light work, and if they manage to top it next year (Olympics year) with an improved version of the 1DX (can they improve on that beauty?), I think I am sorted. Sure a medium format camera tempts me for architecture, but Canon are catching up and quickly.
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I recently spent some time with two veteran photographers who do a lot of commissioned work, inbetween their private, creative photography.
All I can say is there work is phenomenal and of a higher level than what one sees from competent photographers on sites like Canon Rumours or those pages on Facebook. There's aspects of composition that they give massive attention to, that turns a photo into something incredible.
Their kit? Canon 5Dii and some older generation lenses like the 70-200 f/2.8 mki, 50mm etc
We're missing the point to photography if we constantly chase the next best piece of kit, imagining it renders previous generations of kit obsolete.
Example: The 7D2 arrived with massive fanfare and the AF system was touted as being something super incredible. But is it really? Keeper rates are not massively different from its predecessor and try to use those AF points on any point other than the centre point. All I will say on this matter
But I now strongly believe that the best photographers worry very little about the technical ability of their kit, they worry more about the fundamentals that make photography an art.
All I can say is there work is phenomenal and of a higher level than what one sees from competent photographers on sites like Canon Rumours or those pages on Facebook. There's aspects of composition that they give massive attention to, that turns a photo into something incredible.
Their kit? Canon 5Dii and some older generation lenses like the 70-200 f/2.8 mki, 50mm etc
We're missing the point to photography if we constantly chase the next best piece of kit, imagining it renders previous generations of kit obsolete.
Example: The 7D2 arrived with massive fanfare and the AF system was touted as being something super incredible. But is it really? Keeper rates are not massively different from its predecessor and try to use those AF points on any point other than the centre point. All I will say on this matter
But I now strongly believe that the best photographers worry very little about the technical ability of their kit, they worry more about the fundamentals that make photography an art.
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Seeing as my 5DIII is still an amazing camera, I have no reason to buy a new camera at the moment. So I guess that I will wait.
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I'm happy with the 6D, but sometimes I regret not having a better AF. I think the 5D4 will do it for me.
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Truth!Sabaki said:
Unless you have outgrown your system or it's extremely old than there is no need for Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
I had outgrown my Canon 50D, started having wrist issues with my shooting hand.Was going to get the 7D Mark II but held off on pre-ordering it . Finally was able to play with one at PhotoPlus Expo last year and it was way to heavy.I was already cutting back on shooting due to weight of my 50D and wrist issues.Went with two lighter systems and happy with them but still wouldn't mind getting another Canon just needs to be lighter.
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I have no reason to wait for a 6D MK II, and I'll likely wait for a 5D MK ? and maybe even longer. Cameras are so good now that there needs to be a feature that I really will use before I upgrade.
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I'm waiting for the 6D MK II. I might even consider getting a 5D MK IV, if I feel that's the last camera I'll ever need...
Next year I will compare the offerings of Nikon and Canon and then decide which FF-system it will be. My main concern is making a substantial long-term investment, so I want to make sure that I bet on the right horse.
Oliver
Next year I will compare the offerings of Nikon and Canon and then decide which FF-system it will be. My main concern is making a substantial long-term investment, so I want to make sure that I bet on the right horse.
Oliver
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Sabaki said:
I think getting (not necessarly using) the latest gear is one aspect of photography. But the same is true for other areas: some people like buying the newest sport apparel made from aerospace hight-tech fibers, whereas others run the marathon in cotton T-shirts and old shoes.
Also in the old times(tm) there are examples of great photographers refusing to upgrade: Atget didn't use newer gear, as it would speed up the process of picture taking and thereby reduce the quality of his work.
BTW: His pictures really lack DR!
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I'm on 5d3 which still outshoots my skills sometimes, so I am holding off until the other options are so good I just can't ignore them. That should be a couple of 5d generations away imho. Or until income can justify constant upgrade ;D
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Yes, I'm currently still clinging to my 1Ds3 and still (after the 5Ds sensor disappointment) have a glimpse of hope that the upcoming 5D4 will have this new dual-gain sensor with massive improvement to image quality. If not, it's bye bye to Canon for me.
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Takingshots said:
Consider them for what? Instead of a Canon FF body? For higher resolution without the expense of the forthcoming high resolution FF Canon bodies? For greater low ISO DR? Because you prefer mirrorless/EVF to dslr?
If fast AF matters to you, I suspect you would need to wait way beyond 2016 before Metabones conjures up an adaptor that comes within hailing distance of the AF speed of your Canon lenses on a Canon body; at present, their AF, while accurate, is too slow for anything that moves and gives little, if any, advantage over MF (though in terms of image quality, Canon lenses work beautifully on the a7 line). If you're expecting some radical change from the sensor you may be disappointed unless you do a lot of shadow-pushing at low ISOs or want higher resolution.
I happen to like the a7 line enough to own two of them (and to want to replace my a7r with its successor, if it has IBIS), but for reasons that may be rather idiosyncratic - I prefer EVS, prefer mirrorless, like the small size of their bodies and - most of all - because they're the best way I know to use old MF lenses (I rather like the irony involved); and for the last six months or so they've been my favorite lenses to use. For a more "normal" Canon lens owner who doesn't have similar interests, though, I think it would probably be a tad perverse to select a Sony body rather than a Canon one.
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Last week I purchased a 5D MK III for 2200, and I received my 1DX today from Allnewshop for 3,999. Everyone was saying it was grey market, but I was able to register the camera with Canon USA and I received conformation and coupons for money off additional purchases from Canon because I registered the 1DX with Canon. The camera is brand new and all OEM accessories were included. I couldn't resist the deals, grand babies college fund took a hit but college is over rated LOL
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