Will you wait for Canon 6D MKII and 5D MK IV (2016 releases) ....?

[mb66energy]

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We're missing the point to photography if we constantly chase the next best piece of kit, imagining it renders previous generations of kit obsolete.

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But I now strongly believe that the best photographers worry very little about the technical ability of their kit, they worry more about the fundamentals that make photography an art.

3 months ago I wanted to buy the 5DsR but was not shure if a5Ds is better or not. I really LIKE to
shoot with TWO BODIES using primarily primes to avoid the hassle of changing lenses. Two 5Ds(R)
at 7000 EUR was to much after thinking about it some weeks.

I "downgraded" MPix- and feature-wise from newer APS-C cameras to 2 bodies of the 5D classic ...

WHAT AN UPGRADE in terms of
- experiencing a TOOL for photography
- experiencing the benefits of having a simple menu and only the basic shooting modes (M, Av, ...)
- experiencing a large viewfinder without any disturbing information
- experiencing of (at least for me) incredible IQ on the pixel and sub-pixel (antialiasing) level.

Having less options helped me to use these cameras after 30 minutes checking the menu
settings and taking some photographs - the first time the results are very very close to what
I had in mind during making the photo! And I am confident that 100 x 150cm² prints
of a artistically good photo can be made from the files of these cameras!

Now I can wait very relaxed for a new incarnation of the 5D (or similiar), which is really better
for photography than these old chaps.

By the way: It is puzzling for me that the old 12 bit ADC of the 5D gives excellent color transitions
while the much newer 14 bit ADC of the EOS M or 600D isn't still comparable. Perhaps the old
12-bit ADC is much preciser and less (bits) is more (IQ) ... and less DIGIC-postprocessing
is closer to reality?!

 

[danski0224]

Say that I have a bunch of Canon expensive lenses, and between now and then 2016, what if Sony develops a newer FF camera like the rumor A7r II ( higher ISO, quieter,speedier autofocus plus 5-axis stabilization) and MetabXXX comes up with improved faster focusing electronic adapter for Canon lenses, would you consider these options (hypothetically)? Bear in mind anything could happen between now and then .... in specifications etc ....coz' it is only a rumor.

Why not?

If it is within your means to buy it (the Sony), then do so. There is nothing wrong with doing that, and it is the only way to find out if that route produces whatever results you seek.

Me? I'm happy with what I have. I am encouraged to hear (even if it is rumors) that Canon has "something" in the pipeline. That said, whatever it is will have to be truly extraordinary for me to upgrade. No half measures or incremental improvements.

The colors and low ISO of the 1DsIII, high ISO performance of the 1DX (or better), UI of the 1DX or better, wider AF point spread and an EVF overlay with zebras are what it would take to pique my interest. Somewhere between 21 and 36mp.

WiFi would be nice, but that seems to be an issue with the metal camera body. An accessory that doesn't cost ~$600 would be fine, too.

I'd like to see some actual IP ratings instead of "water and dust resistance" for Canon cameras and lenses. For what this stuff costs, I'd certainly pay something extra to have a measured certainty.

I may rent a Sony to see what the fuss (if any) is about, but I have no plans to buy one at this time.

 

[Maiaibing]

I'm finished waiting.

Contrary to some others here I am absolutely limited by my current 5DII's limited high iso range, the high iso noise and lack of dynamic range at high iso as well as regular intrusive shadow noise at lower iso's. I'd say I'm limited almost every time I go out the door. Not that I cannot get great shots. 5DII delivers IQ in spades. But that there are shots I do not even attempt because its not possible anyway. 5DIII offered nothing compelling to me so after 7 years of happy 5DII use its high time to see some real technical improvements. 2 1/2 stops of better high iso translates into ~90 min's extra shooting time - every day. I am amazed people do not feel limited by this alone. Better AF and a real speed boost (Nikon style) would also help me a lot.

If there's no 5DIV announcement this year (or its a joke of an "upgrade" like the 5DIII) my next camera will not be a Canon.

100%.

Lets see what happens next. I remain hopeful.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

Seeing as my 5DIII is still an amazing camera, I have no reason to buy a new camera at the moment. So I guess that I will wait.

I also don't see immediate reason to move to a new 5D IV, since my 5D III serves me well.

 

[mb66energy]

I'm finished waiting.

Contrary to some others here I am absolutely limited by my current 5DII's limited high iso range, the high iso noise and lack of dynamic range at high iso as well as regular intrusive shadow noise at lower iso's. I'd say I'm limited almost every time I go out the door. Not that I cannot get great shots. 5DII delivers IQ in spades. But that there are shots I do not even attempt because its not possible anyway. 5DIII offered nothing compelling to me so after 7 years of happy 5DII use its high time to see some real technical improvements. 2 1/2 stops of better high iso translates into ~90 min's extra shooting time - every day. I am amazed people do not feel limited by this alone. Better AF and a real speed boost (Nikon style) would also help me a lot.

If there's no 5DIV announcement this year (or its a joke of an "upgrade" like the 5DIII) my next camera will not be a Canon.

100%.

Lets see what happens next. I remain hopeful.

You are not alone. I have to skip a lot of photographs because my equipment has strong limitations (5D mark i). On the other hand, what are the alternatives? A lot of scenes have a DR of 16 EV or more - e.g. dark flower in contralight with sun in the frame ... and to be save you need 18...20 EV of DR in the tech specs.
No one delivers this in a FF photographic camera AFAIK except perhaps some special systems made for NASA or the military.

So I will still wait for a great photographic TOOL ... and learn more about HDR (mostly to keep the results natural) in the meanwhile.

 

[d]

Hanging out for a 6D Mk II announcement so that I can grab a pair of plain ol' 6D Mk Is nice and cheap!

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[zim]

Yes i will wait for the 5div because it is a better landscape camera compared to the 5dsr. Even the older 5diii ik is a better landscape camera. I can't take images like this with the 5dsr because that camera produces far too much noise at higher ISO's. This one is taken at 6400 ISO to catch the beams of the lighthouse. The 5dsr will never be able to do that without producing too much noise.

Nice picture but I don't see how you know for sure you couldn't take it with a 5dsr.
I thought these 5d's were deliberately ISO limited to a properly (i.e. honest) usable range?
ISO 3200 is within that range and I'd expect that to be perfectly usable no?

 

[cmh716]

I'm waiting for the 5D MK IV. I'm using a very long in the tooth 7D and resisting temptation to buy a cheap, gray market 7DMII until the 5DM4 comes out. Really hoping for all the 7DM2 features in the 5DM4 but with Full frame and better dynamic range.

 

[dcm]

Yep. I was planning my next body purchase in 2016 so this timing is great. When I bought the 6D in 2013 I figured my next purchase would be a 1DX. Looks like I'm going to have a few more options to choose from. I've been upgrading my glass in the meantime.

I haven't felt limited by my equipment yet. I started with film and manual focus, manual exposure, etc. so things have improved a lot in the last 35 years. I expect it to continue, both Canon and competitors.

 

[painya]

Say that I have a bunch of Canon expensive lenses, and between now and then 2016, what if Sony develops a newer FF camera like the rumor A7r II ( higher ISO, quieter,speedier autofocus plus 5-axis stabilization) and MetabXXX comes up with improved faster focusing electronic adapter for Canon lenses, would you consider these options (hypothetically)? Bear in mind anything could happen between now and then .... in specifications etc ....coz' it is only a rumor.

Sony have proved that they can deliver newer and better sensors and evidence suggests that a 56MP FF Sony sensor is just around the corner.

Canon have proved that they can tweak a 10 year old design to make it better and that's about it.

In other words, if the Sony camera comes out and is tested to be as good as, if not better than, the A7r, then it simply isn't worth waiting for a Canon camera ... that may or may not deliver something.

If you're referring to the zeiss photo that is 56 megapixels it was actually determined to be up scaled. If you look at the photo 1:1 it is pretty bad. If that's not what you were referring to then don't mind this.

 

[Bennymiata]

I'll just keep using my 5d3 and 70d until something comes along that I just HAVE to own.
7d2 and 5s don't interest me much, but I do want to see what the 5d4 brings.

 

[Good24]

Yes I will wait for the 5DIV to be announced...so that I can buy a 5DIII after the price ticks down a bit more. I love my 7D and will never sell it but eager to move to FF. Not so eager to buy the 5DIII just yet despite recent price drops. As a hobbyist, once I get the 5DIII I don't see myself getting another body for 10 years. A 5D3 is more resolution than Apple's 5K retina display. I've got good glass. Basically I'll have more than what I need at that point. Because the controls/joystick for the III will be an easy transition from the 7D I lean towards the 5D3 over a potential 6D2 but I suppose I'd consider a 6D2 depending on the AF system. I do like the idea of interchangeable focus screens.

 

[lux]

I would love a camera with 1-2 more stops at high iso. I routinely find myself trying to take pictures in environments where that would be great.

Kids sports at night…even with 300 2.8 can be very hard when I have to push the iso to 6400 or 12800. I really don't like to take the 6D to 3200 let alone past that

church…I'm not sure why it has to be dim for us to be closer to God but it seems that way. no flash allowed…I us 30 and 135 f2 but still have to push the iso.

A couple stops with lower noise would make a huge difference. If these cameras have that…well I would definitely start pleading my case with the wife.

oh and I'd take that over 50mpx or greater DR etc….If the shot is impossible it doesn't matter how many mpx or dr you have.

 

[RGF]

2016 will be an expensive (hardware wise) year for me.

5D MIV, 1Dx M2, perhaps 16-35 F2.8 III (if it matches the 15-36 F4 in IQ)

 

[jcarapet]

I'll wait for the 5d mark V. At the rate I am shooting at, my 5d3 shutter will go around 2020, and it's will still be cheaper to replace than buying a new rig.

 

[ashmadux]

To wait for either of these two bodies would be insanity. It is damn near guaranteed that the AF on the 6d is going to stay humble as to not compete with the 5dm4. I hate having to sell the 6d but for the love of God the AF is terrible.

Even though the 5d3 is heavy (omg with grip+24-105/70-200...ouvh), being able to af on anything without issue is worth the price of admission.

 

[scyrene]

I'm waiting for the 6D MK II. I might even consider getting a 5D MK IV, if I feel that's the last camera I'll ever need...

Next year I will compare the offerings of Nikon and Canon and then decide which FF-system it will be. My main concern is making a substantial long-term investment, so I want to make sure that I bet on the right horse.

I think I am the same. Even though I own Canon now, that has been through the growth phase of digital photography and digital photography now seems to be plateauing.

If and when I buy another DSLR, I expect it to be the last one I buy and for it to last 40+ years.

I dunno how serious you are, but I wouldn't expect any computerised electronic device to last half that long. It's just not in their nature.

 

[scyrene]

Yes i will wait for the 5div because it is a better landscape camera compared to the 5dsr. Even the older 5diii ik is a better landscape camera. I can't take images like this with the 5dsr because that camera produces far too much noise at higher ISO's. This one is taken at 6400 ISO to catch the beams of the lighthouse. The 5dsr will never be able to do that without producing too much noise.

Nice picture but I don't see how you know for sure you couldn't take it with a 5dsr.
I thought these 5d's were deliberately ISO limited to a properly (i.e. honest) usable range?
ISO 3200 is within that range and I'd expect that to be perfectly usable no?

Yes i know for sure. 5dsr has pretty much an acceptable noise level on iso 100. But there already have been comparisons with the canon 5diii. The 5dsr has much more noise at higher ISO. I did not make this up myself.

Hmm, I downloaded the 5Dsr Dpreview test chart shot for ISO 6400 and played with it in Lightroom - it was very good in my opinion. I'd happily shoot at 3200 with it - although I'm hoping to get the 5Ds, not the -r.

 

[NancyP]

Who knows? Right now I like my 6D very much for landscape and low light and macro, and use the 60D for birding and travel/casual. I have never really experienced good AF, I am a center point - recompose type.

I need ideas more than I need a new body. And I will need a new laptop soon, as the current one is 5 years old and I can't expect it to live forever.

 

[scyrene]

Who knows? Right now I like my 6D very much for landscape and low light and macro, and use the 60D for birding and travel/casual. I have never really experienced good AF, I am a center point - recompose type.

I need ideas more than I need a new body. And I will need a new laptop soon, as the current one is 5 years old and I can't expect it to live forever.

Absolutely; I had to upgrade my laptop this year - made a lot more difference than any new camera body could. I'm intrigued, incidentally - do you focus/recompose with birds?