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12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
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dilbert said:
If that's the sort of thing you're going to film with this camera, you should note that, according to sonyalpharumors: "The only bad news is that it doesn’t record 4K on SD card. You will have to use an external recorder." How many people are interested in doing that? (It's not an issue for me as I never shoot videos, unless I hit the wrong button by mistake!)
The low light possibilities sound intriguing, though - so far there are precisely two Sony FE lenses that I want (and own), so I guess they could have a body each. Sony's body:lens ratio seems a tad off....
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While I want to play with 4k for a few specific items, it's not going to drive the industry - unless you've got better than 20/20 vision and a lot of money to spend. Intel may want you to upgrade to 4k, but Comcast may not want it. There are times when you want to pull frames from video, or are going to stabilize the shot in post-production based on cropping down to 1080p, but 4k doesn't belong in our P&S world.
Oh, and it won't matter how you capture a 5 year olds birthday today, their life is recorded in 720p from an iPhone or such.
Oh, and it won't matter how you capture a 5 year olds birthday today, their life is recorded in 720p from an iPhone or such.
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Agree. Who wants to 4K with high quality today, can buy Canon C500 and cine lenses. 8) Costs too much? No, not a bit expensive for the intended purpose of Cinema equipment. :Halfrack said:
Want it cheaper? Someday We'll have these cell phone that does 4k video (compressed FU_KING bad). :-X I could use photography with over 22 megapixel in some work. ??? So just buy Nokia Lumia 1020, and will have better images that 5D Mark iii. 
Hey, we can already do 4K video with Go Pro. 
No kidding: I have no interest in 4K with compression FU_KING bad, and I prefer 1080P with fine compression.
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sdsr said:
People with the skill&ambition to make good use of HD/4k do it anyway. Or: on the fly compression of a 4k stream to SD card-friendly data rates leaves you with the same quality as common (&commonly to highly compressed) fHD, but at much larger handling costs.
Separate versions for 50/60Hz...ouch. While it prevents grid flicker, not that I'd know anyone who'd still use susceptible lights w/o genlock, it also keeps me from delivering video in the requested format half of the time.
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weixing said:
See how most people seem to be jumping around this question.
Anyway, let me be the first, I just got my 60 inch FHD TV a few years ago (2-3 years ago to be precise)... so no upgrades for another decade at least. At which point, I hope the first 8K TVs will be showing up.
Come on now, don't be a spoil sport, how many of you guys own a 4K TV? How many are going to be buy one in the next year or two?
Also... how many of the Pro-4K peeps are going to actually buy the Sony a7s?
Or are they going to keep badgering Canon to make a camera similar to the Gh4 and/or a7s?
At this point, even if Canon released something tomorrow with 4K, I don't think the same people that are badgering right now, will buy into it... they will find some fault in it and complain some more....
In fact, I don't think they can afford a new camera right now..... they just want something to complain about.
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As I understand 4k, the most interesting feature for 4k would be the ability to zoom into the 4k recording when editing for a 1080p final. For example, let’s say I was shooting a wedding on my own. I could put up a 4k camera in the rear with a wide field of view and a wide depth of field and let it run on its own for the duration of the wedding. I could then shoot close up videos on my 5Diii at various angles with a narrow depth of field of the bride, groom etc. Then when it came time to edit, I could zoom into the 4k as needed to get close-ups since I am only outputting to 1080p. Of course, since I am not a pro, all of this would depend on getting a reasonably priced 4k camera and the ability to record long durations of video on some reasonably priced medium. It is that reasonably priced thing that is probably the rub for me.
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The A7s is great, even without internal 4K.
The footage they have released looks awesome.
Like, this was recoreded internally: http://www.fstopacademy.com/blog/sony-alpha-7s-first-hands-on-shooting-review/
It's basically like a C100, with better DR and with a much better EVF, but without XLR or internal NDs, at less than half the price.
For video, judging by those first clips, it is clearly better than any of the following: 700D, 70D, 7D, 6D, 5D3, 1DX, 1DC, C100, and also C300 if you spend $400 on an external recorder. Make that $2K for a Shogun recorder, and it's heads and shoulders above anything Canon has, except for the C500.
Go here to see what video shooters think about it:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?321965-Rumor-Sony-A7s-will-have-4K-video/page13
I'd say it's at least 80% favorable comments.
The footage they have released looks awesome.
Like, this was recoreded internally: http://www.fstopacademy.com/blog/sony-alpha-7s-first-hands-on-shooting-review/
It's basically like a C100, with better DR and with a much better EVF, but without XLR or internal NDs, at less than half the price.
For video, judging by those first clips, it is clearly better than any of the following: 700D, 70D, 7D, 6D, 5D3, 1DX, 1DC, C100, and also C300 if you spend $400 on an external recorder. Make that $2K for a Shogun recorder, and it's heads and shoulders above anything Canon has, except for the C500.
Go here to see what video shooters think about it:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?321965-Rumor-Sony-A7s-will-have-4K-video/page13
I'd say it's at least 80% favorable comments.
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In the last year, 4K televisions have gone from unheard of to having their own section in the local Best Buy. We can argue about this all we want, but they have become consumer devices. 2K televisions debuted at over $10,000 and now there is a decent selection of them below $1000... 4K televisions have begun the same price dropping trajectory.dilbert said:
The number of devices that shoot 4K is steadily rising... at the moment, most of them that shoot quality 4K rely on an external recording device.... Storage speed appears to be the final hurdle.
and like Dilbert, if the 7D came out tomorrow with 4K I would jump for joy.... but on the other hand, if it came out tomorrow without 4K I would still jump for joy and almost as loudly... I don't expect it for at least another few months and I hope the wait is worth it.
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Within the life-cycle of the next gen, eg. 1Dx2, 55D4 and such? My cellphone/tablet would probably handle that in terms of processing power. The same for any application that unloads parts of the work into a GPU. Just look what that already did for 3D-rendering and physics simulations!neuroanatomist said:
Adding in the price/capacity development of SSDs makes even the proxies a moot point and ignoring the signs on the horizon would be risque.
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neuroanatomist said:
Nearly any modern computer with a decent graphics card can do it, and using free software too (Resolve).
In any case, the relevant question is: who should care about 4K? And my answer is: nearly nobody. Your eyes can't see the difference, at least not at a realistic eye-to-screen distance.
It looks like the A7s will be my next camera, and I'm not getting the external recorder needed for 4K. I'm getting it for the big sensor, the clean image, the DR, and the codec.
I think of it as a really tiny camera that can give me a slightly better image than a C100, with a bigger sensor, better EVF and higher fps, for less than half the price.
(counting on price and DR to be as expected; those could still go wrong)
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