4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’re told to expect “a bunch” of 4K products from Canon, starting in early 2015. There will be products in the EOS line, Cinema EOS line and possibly the VIXIA line.</p>
<p>Both the EOS C300 and EOS C500 will see updates in 2015, with the EOS C300 replacement gaining at least 4K. We have no idea if Canon will follow ARRI into 6K territory or not, but judging by Canon’s strategy thus far, I don’t see that happening. Though a good source keeps telling us Canon has its sight set on being the “A camera”, and that there could be a different form factor Cinema EOS product shown at NAB.</p>
<p>As for 4K DSLR’s, we weren’t told which camera(s) would get the capability. I asked if the 7D Mark II could possibly get 4K via firmware, to which there was no clear answer.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[jebrady03]

This is SO exciting!! Not because I give a s*** about 4k but because I hate listening to people whine about features they want not being included. Also... I hate the word "crippling" when it comes to camera features. So whatever achieves less of both of those scenarios... I'm all for!

 

[jrista]

Well, the frequency with which Canon customers or potential customers complain about Canon "crippling" or otherwise shortchanging their products is a clear indication that they want more for every dollar. Canon hasn't thus far been willing to respond to all those demands for more/dollar...until they do, your going to keep hearing people complain.


It's become a simple fact that you can often get a LOT more value with other brands than with Canon. That's not to say that Canon doesn't make a good product...but their products are increasingly not providing what their customers demand. Some simply jump to another brand or add another brand to their kit. Others complain. Hopefully Canon will change in 2015 and actually start delivering.

 

[jebrady03]

Well, the frequency with which Canon customers or potential customers complain about Canon "crippling" or otherwise shortchanging their products is a clear indication that they want more for every dollar. Canon hasn't thus far been willing to respond to all those demands for more/dollar...until they do, your going to keep hearing people complain.


It's become a simple fact that you can often get a LOT more value with other brands than with Canon. That's not to say that Canon doesn't make a good product...but their products are increasingly not providing what their customers demand. Some simply jump to another brand or add another brand to their kit. Others complain. Hopefully Canon will change in 2015 and actually start delivering.

Those are the ones Canon will actually listen to. Canon listens to dollars, no vents

 

[PureClassA]

I'm hoping this 4k business is a good sign that's not all we will be treated to. Canon, big or small, does have a historical penchant for surprises. With 4k may come a high res sensor (be it theirs or Sony's, I don't care) that will produce said 4k a la Sony A series.

Maybe we will indeed get some sort of gotcha moment at PhotoPlus next week as some blog prophet on Fred Miranda claimed last month. I hope he turns out right.

 

[jrista]

Well, the frequency with which Canon customers or potential customers complain about Canon "crippling" or otherwise shortchanging their products is a clear indication that they want more for every dollar. Canon hasn't thus far been willing to respond to all those demands for more/dollar...until they do, your going to keep hearing people complain.


It's become a simple fact that you can often get a LOT more value with other brands than with Canon. That's not to say that Canon doesn't make a good product...but their products are increasingly not providing what their customers demand. Some simply jump to another brand or add another brand to their kit. Others complain. Hopefully Canon will change in 2015 and actually start delivering.

Those are the ones Canon will actually listen to. Canon listens to dollars, no vents

Sure. It's not going to stop people from complaining, though. That's my point. People complain when they don't get what they want. Just a fact of life. People complain all the time on Nikon forms, and Sony forums. It isn't a Canon-only thing...it just may be a bit more prevalent on Canon forums because Canon has seemingly ignored a good number of big customer demands for a few years at a minimum now.


All I'm saying is, people won't stop complaining. Once Canon finally gets 4k capability into all their gear, 6k and 8k will probably already be the hot new thing, and people will complain about that.

 

[Perio]

Why early 2015? I definitely have very limited knowledge in finance/business, but to me it makes more sense to release something before Christmas.

 

[PureClassA]

Why early 2015? I definitely have very limited knowledge in finance/business, but to me it makes more sense to release something before Christmas.

One theory would be that IF the rumors of Canon perhaps using Sony sensors are correct (IF) then probably wouldn't be allowed to release that product prior to Sony's launch of their own new line in January (at CES I assume) which will reportedly have even higher res sensors than the 36MP they now have.

Also, the release date of what will assuredly be mostly found in only their uppermost echelon of products is rather irrelevant. Professional shooters don't give a bah humbug when products get released. They will buy whenever. A $5000 pro body isn't exactly a Tickle-Me-Elmo doll at Christmas. Since a lot of the current pro body line up is from 2012 and 2013, 2015 makes sense with the 2-3 year product life cycle

 

[PureClassA]

Well, the frequency with which Canon customers or potential customers complain about Canon "crippling" or otherwise shortchanging their products is a clear indication that they want more for every dollar. Canon hasn't thus far been willing to respond to all those demands for more/dollar...until they do, your going to keep hearing people complain.


It's become a simple fact that you can often get a LOT more value with other brands than with Canon. That's not to say that Canon doesn't make a good product...but their products are increasingly not providing what their customers demand. Some simply jump to another brand or add another brand to their kit. Others complain. Hopefully Canon will change in 2015 and actually start delivering.

Those are the ones Canon will actually listen to. Canon listens to dollars, no vents

Which is why I'll be spending money on Sony next year and not Canon. Voting with my feet and/or wallet. Had enough of being jerked around by Canon.

Well if you're already waiting for next year anyway, why not afford Canon the chance to show their cards if this CR2 pans out? Ya never know. They won't stay behind forever. I'm not saying it will deliver everything per se, but if you're already heavily invested in Canon glass, why not sit tight on making a decision for something you don't plan to do til next year anyway?

 

[Marauder]

This is SO exciting!! Not because I give a s*** about 4k but because I hate listening to people whine about features they want not being included. Also... I hate the word "crippling" when it comes to camera features. So whatever achieves less of both of those scenarios... I'm all for!

+1!!!!! Don't give a rat's furry hind quarters about 4k (or much about video for that matter) and I face palm with each new thread that is infected with DRivel. Would be nice if Canon finally shuts them up--as long as they don't compromise the things that really matter.

Not that it will actually help much--I'm sure the complainers will find new things about which to whine!!!!!!!

 

[mdsilverman22]

I was surprised at out how much backlash there was after the C100 Mk II announcement because for years people have been complaining about the C100 having no 60p, a poor viewfinder, no internal mic on the body, etc. and they gave us all those things. I think it's true that people will continue to want more than what is currently offered partly because that's how we've been conditioned. If we got 4K 10 bit output there would be people demanding internal 4K. If we got internal 4K then people would demand 120fps. If the C100 had all those things then what could Canon add to the C300 to get people to buy it instead of the C100?

Like jrista said, people complain on all the forums. A friend of mine rarely complains about anything, but when he found out the Sony FS7 didn't have the same sensor as the A7S he said he wasn't interested in it. I would guess that Canon is doing the best that they can while looking out for themselves as well as consumers.

Of course, if the new C300 doesn't have 4K then forget everything I just said lol

 

[Lee Jay]

Who would be okay with Canon implementing 4k on the lower end products (7D2, 5D4, C100, high end compacts, etc.) through a 1:1 pixel implementation? That would give the 7D2 an additional 1.425x crop on top of the 1.6, for example. It would require a lot less processing power and software.

Personally, I'd be okay with that.

 

[Tugela]

I was surprised at out how much backlash there was after the C100 Mk II announcement because for years people have been complaining about the C100 having no 60p, a poor viewfinder, no internal mic on the body, etc. and they gave us all those things. I think it's true that people will continue to want more than what is currently offered partly because that's how we've been conditioned. If we got 4K 10 bit output there would be people demanding internal 4K. If we got internal 4K then people would demand 120fps. If the C100 had all those things then what could Canon add to the C300 to get people to buy it instead of the C100?

Like jrista said, people complain on all the forums. A friend of mine rarely complains about anything, but when he found out the Sony FS7 didn't have the same sensor as the A7S he said he wasn't interested in it. I would guess that Canon is doing the best that they can while looking out for themselves as well as consumers.

Of course, if the new C300 doesn't have 4K then forget everything I just said lol

It depends on WHEN they implement new functions. Obviously if they only move to 4K when everyone else is moving to something better, then it is still a dollar short a day late.

We want them to implement these features when they are current technology, not when they are old technology.

 

[jrista]

I was surprised at out how much backlash there was after the C100 Mk II announcement because for years people have been complaining about the C100 having no 60p, a poor viewfinder, no internal mic on the body, etc. and they gave us all those things. I think it's true that people will continue to want more than what is currently offered partly because that's how we've been conditioned. If we got 4K 10 bit output there would be people demanding internal 4K. If we got internal 4K then people would demand 120fps. If the C100 had all those things then what could Canon add to the C300 to get people to buy it instead of the C100?

Like jrista said, people complain on all the forums. A friend of mine rarely complains about anything, but when he found out the Sony FS7 didn't have the same sensor as the A7S he said he wasn't interested in it. I would guess that Canon is doing the best that they can while looking out for themselves as well as consumers.

Of course, if the new C300 doesn't have 4K then forget everything I just said lol

It depends on WHEN they implement new functions. Obviously if they only move to 4K when everyone else is moving to something better, then it is still a dollar short a day late.

We want them to implement these features when they are current technology, not when they are old technology.

+1 This exactly. Canon used to be ahead of the curve, and was driving market change. Now they seem to be behind the curve on a lot of things, and are following market change.


People don't want critical features like 4k after they had to move to another brand because they needed it, and Canon didn't have it. I see 6k video on both Red and Arri cameras now. Another one, KineMAX from a Chinese manufacturer, is offering 6k for less than ten grand. And Canon is just now finally getting to 4k.


It's this whole "behind the curve" think that I think keeps Canon customers frustrated. They aren't innovating market leadership anymore, they are following the crowd. I get how that's frustrating for some people, given how deep brand loyalties can go.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Well at least that sounds a touch more hopeful.
We'll see.
Hold off on the A7S just a bit more.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Why early 2015? I definitely have very limited knowledge in finance/business, but to me it makes more sense to release something before Christmas.

???

I don't know that big ticket stuff like this is Christmas sales dependent all that much.

Plus many areas with large population where they do a ton of sales are in the deep freeze then.

It makes way more sense to me to release in the early spring so you get the stuff available for spring and summer sports, wedding season spring through fall, fall sports, fall foliage season, summer trips where people often go to amazing places where the fancy stuff is made best use of, etc.

I never understood the whole release it when November hits.... right after the fall foliage is done, fall sports are wrapping up, wedding season is mostly wrapped up, mega-vacations become somewhat less common (although some do use Christmas/New Years period for trips).

I bet many figure why jump at full list in Nov when you might not shoot half so much again until April. OTOH if they release in the early spring they might entice more people to jump at stuff at full initial list price so they can get the whole spring, summer, fall shooting seasons out of the new gear.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

This is SO exciting!! Not because I give a s*** about 4k but because I hate listening to people whine about features they want not being included. Also... I hate the word "crippling" when it comes to camera features. So whatever achieves less of both of those scenarios... I'm all for!

+1!!!!! Don't give a rat's furry hind quarters about 4k (or much about video for that matter) and I face palm with each new thread that is infected with DRivel. Would be nice if Canon finally shuts them up--as long as they don't compromise the things that really matter.

Not that it will actually help much--I'm sure the complainers will find new things about which to whine!!!!!!!

Yup, the stuff that matters to you MATTERS but the stuff that doesn't is nonsense drivel....

 

[InterMurph]

Hold off on the A7S just a bit more.

I gave up and bought an A7s ($2,500) and a GH4 ($1,700). They are both ridiculously fantastic.

Canon might eventually add 4K to the 5D Mark IV, but I can't shoot with that now.

 

[jrista]

Hold off on the A7S just a bit more.

I gave up and bought an A7s ($2,500) and a GH4 ($1,700). They are both ridiculously fantastic.

Canon might eventually add 4K to the 5D Mark IV, but I can't shoot with that now.

I see no reason to wait on Canon anymore. They may eventually get there, and eventually may be second quarter 2015. But when they do, is it once again going to be technology that competes with last years competitors products? Or the ones from a couple years ago? Especially with camera bodies...they come and go so fast now, and the prices are getting lower and lower thanks to the competition. It's easier to buy a product like the GH4 for a specific purpose, instead of always having to find a high end expensive product that does everything.


I'd just get the A7s now, if you want it, LTRLI. There is no evidence as of yet that the 5D IV is going to have 4k. It may have it, and if it does, is it going to be as good as what the A7s already does? (Doubtful, IMO...I don't see Canon sensors getting that kind of Q.E. for a while yet.) You can pick an A7r up for as little as $1700 used, A7s' used for as little as $2000. By the time Canon's new cameras released next year are tested and proven, you'll probably be ready to move on from the A7s anyway, and Sony should have the successor ready as well (assuming they don't release it well before Canon releases anything). That just mans you have more options and the ability to better gauge which camera will best suit your needs for 4k.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Hold off on the A7S just a bit more.

I gave up and bought an A7s ($2,500) and a GH4 ($1,700). They are both ridiculously fantastic.

Canon might eventually add 4K to the 5D Mark IV, but I can't shoot with that now.

I see no reason to wait on Canon anymore. They may eventually get there, and eventually may be second quarter 2015. But when they do, is it once again going to be technology that competes with last years competitors products? Or the ones from a couple years ago? Especially with camera bodies...they come and go so fast now, and the prices are getting lower and lower thanks to the competition. It's easier to buy a product like the GH4 for a specific purpose, instead of always having to find a high end expensive product that does everything.


I'd just get the A7s now, if you want it, LTRLI. There is no evidence as of yet that the 5D IV is going to have 4k. It may have it, and if it does, is it going to be as good as what the A7s already does? (Doubtful, IMO...I don't see Canon sensors getting that kind of Q.E. for a while yet.) You can pick an A7r up for as little as $1700 used, A7s' used for as little as $2000. By the time Canon's new cameras released next year are tested and proven, you'll probably be ready to move on from the A7s anyway, and Sony should have the successor ready as well (assuming they don't release it well before Canon releases anything). That just mans you have more options and the ability to better gauge which camera will best suit your needs for 4k.

At this point I will just let money build up a bit and spend in the spring. If Canon is ready then and delivers then Canon and that would be awesome, if not, that would be a shame, but SOny/Nikon it is.
Fall foliage is almost over and I tend to shoot a bit less in the winter, so I will wait until Spring and I'll have better money ready then too.