Just like this was the year of the lens? I'm no conspiracy theorist, but maybe spreading rumors is official Canon policy right now for trying to stop video guys from jumping ship.
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4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
The main issue with 'early spring' for me (in my situation - I know everybody's circumstances are different) is that our main wedding videography season starts mid April. We're now ready to purchase our next round of cameras which will need to last for at least 3 years so they must be 4k capable. Our camera people need to be trained and comfortable with the cameras by the start of our wedding season so we need the cameras (6 of them) to be in our sweaty palms by mid March at the latest - so with an 'early 2015' announcement that's cutting it really fine!
I get a feeling our money will be going to Sony this time around!
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I think the A7s was made for wedding videography. In addition to being a low-light monster, it's very small and light. If you can pair it with a light lens, it will be very easy to move around with.coldsweat said:
I use mine mostly for school plays and musical performances, so I mostly use the Metabones EF adapter and my Canon 24-105mm and 70-200mm lenses, always on a tripod. The adapter means I have to focus manually, but I was doing that with my 5D Mark III anyway.
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I am not sure why there are so many freak outs and threats about switching to another brand.
Look up all these cameras before you start shouting out how awesome they are. There are people all over the place talking about the issues and work arounds for these cameras to make them work. When canon releases them they will be a solid reliable product. THey may not have the most cutting edge features(that seems to be Canon of the past) but they will be reliable, solid, functional. Thats what i want out of a product i am using to make money.
If i have constant camera errors i become and unreliable person to use no matter how good i could be.
For example the Gopro are awesome camera, i have a quite a few myself. But they are in a sense gimmicky. They work but they have been very funky at random times. Sometimes wont turn on, sometimes the battery indicator is off, electronic accessories act quirky. And they only do this 30 sec before a concert, wedding, event, moment happens.
I have never had a single hiccup with any of my canon cameras. I have magic lantern installed on on all of them and there still isnt a single issue i have had so far.
Just saying there is a reason you have a canon camera. Everytime i venture to far i find a product that is not worthy of being used in a demanding situation.
Look up all these cameras before you start shouting out how awesome they are. There are people all over the place talking about the issues and work arounds for these cameras to make them work. When canon releases them they will be a solid reliable product. THey may not have the most cutting edge features(that seems to be Canon of the past) but they will be reliable, solid, functional. Thats what i want out of a product i am using to make money.
If i have constant camera errors i become and unreliable person to use no matter how good i could be.
For example the Gopro are awesome camera, i have a quite a few myself. But they are in a sense gimmicky. They work but they have been very funky at random times. Sometimes wont turn on, sometimes the battery indicator is off, electronic accessories act quirky. And they only do this 30 sec before a concert, wedding, event, moment happens.
I have never had a single hiccup with any of my canon cameras. I have magic lantern installed on on all of them and there still isnt a single issue i have had so far.
Just saying there is a reason you have a canon camera. Everytime i venture to far i find a product that is not worthy of being used in a demanding situation.
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mustafa said:
Actually, those prices were from the LensRental used equipment store. They buy a bunch of copies of things, and sell a LOT of used stuff. I haven't seen those kinds of prices elsewhere, and I honestly haven't seen nearly the volume of used Sony cameras as I do used Canon cameras. That's expected, though, given the ratio of Canon sales to Sony sales. I don't think used sales can in any way be used as a gauge of which brand is better, you would need impeccable statistics about how many used items from each brand are on sale, and a damn good idea of why they are on sale, to make any kind of assessment as to why they are being sold.
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Dilbert I bought some great glass from a gentleman who jumped ship and went to Sony a few years ago ... I may be following him this Canon catch up game is getting old... You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the timedilbert said:PureClassA said:dilbert said:jebrady03 said:jrista said:
Those are the ones Canon will actually listen to. Canon listens to dollars, no vents
Which is why I'll be spending money on Sony next year and not Canon. Voting with my feet and/or wallet. Had enough of being jerked around by Canon.
Well if you're already waiting for next year anyway, why not afford Canon the chance to show their cards if this CR2 pans out? Ya never know. They won't stay behind forever. I'm not saying it will deliver everything per se, but if you're already heavily invested in Canon glass, why not sit tight on making a decision for something you don't plan to do til next year anyway?
And that's exactly the outcome the planned release of rumors like this aim to achieve. (Which is to say that I don't believe that all rumors are leaked and that a good portion of them are marketing, sometimes even defensive marketing.)
The real point here is I don't need to wait for Canon to show their cards - I know what Canon will do simply by looking at what they've done in the past: the minimum required so that they can entice me into buying the next model with a fuller feature set. I'm sick of being treated like a dumb and ignorant consumer by Canon.
I'm sure that Sony will bring newer models to market in 2015 and that they'll be streets ahead of whatever Canon debuts with. Canon is playing catch up. Why would I want to continue buying into a company that believes that "catch up" is "good enough"?
To answer your question, with another question: Is this rumor enough to stop me from buying Sony? Nope.
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Like I said before. I'm merely hoping (albeit I admit could be simply a fool's hope) that if this rumor is true (and let's give it some credence as a CR2, granted not all have always panned out) then putting something together with 4k and DPAF with that new full time servo AF like the 7D2 into a full frame body.... Hey... Canon may really have something there... It may also hold other even more important surprises (like a big ol' Sony sensor, hell who knows). I understand the sentiment at this point with Canon and lagging behind the market demand. But 3 years ago you didn't have the ferocity of really solid competition that is here now and what is on the horizon. I'm not sure if even Canon would try and roll those dice again for another 3 year product life cycle on pro full frame. I could be DEAD wrong. And I'll be the first to shake my head with some of you if I am. January is right around the corner. Their products suit my needs pretty well, so I can't complain too much, but I understand it's not everyone.
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gjones5252 said:
I do my living with that too and honestly I have NO idea what-so-ever what PRO brand have you used before Canon. But I know the following for me:
I am in a need of upgrade. At the moment dollar-per-feature is not good enough with Canon for my needs. Even now as rumors I might get a new sensor offer and a video servo focus (that I don't need that much). A better ISO (probably - having in mind the stupid 4 year cycle of their sensor generations) an incremental increase is to be expected. 4k - hopefully and it is really pain in the ass to have to wait for every one competitor out there in the pro market to be before your own choosing of brand.
Now my competitors on the market can offer better service, because they use different brand. This of course leaves me without the option to stay topcat in my field.
And slowly I have to begin to miss my lead and stay behind and that is about image and name... For the moment I am the only to realize that. In beginning of next year I might jump ships because my competitors might find out as well.
My creativity suffers as well. I know that there are features I can test out... but will have to wait. And no - I won't rent - because these are tests of well known features that will soon or later be mine as well and I don't make money out of tests!
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Tugela said:mdsilverman22 said:I was surprised at out how much backlash there was after the C100 Mk II announcement because for years people have been complaining about the C100 having no 60p, a poor viewfinder, no internal mic on the body, etc. and they gave us all those things. I think it's true that people will continue to want more than what is currently offered partly because that's how we've been conditioned. If we got 4K 10 bit output there would be people demanding internal 4K. If we got internal 4K then people would demand 120fps. If the C100 had all those things then what could Canon add to the C300 to get people to buy it instead of the C100?
Like jrista said, people complain on all the forums. A friend of mine rarely complains about anything, but when he found out the Sony FS7 didn't have the same sensor as the A7S he said he wasn't interested in it. I would guess that Canon is doing the best that they can while looking out for themselves as well as consumers.
Of course, if the new C300 doesn't have 4K then forget everything I just saidlol
It depends on WHEN they implement new functions. Obviously if they only move to 4K when everyone else is moving to something better, then it is still a dollar short a day late.
We want them to implement these features when they are current technology, not when they are old technology.
Its not "a dollar short, [nor] a day late."
And, I find it quite funny that you guys complain so much.
Fact is... Canon had the 1D-C way-way before either A7s or Gh4 came along.
Only problem is... y'all can't afford the 1D-C. Same here, I can't afford it either.
A7s can't record internal 4K, and as per dpreview external isn't even cinema 4K, its UHD (max 3840 x 2160 @ 8bit). http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-dmc-gh4-sony-alpha-7s
GH4 is better with both cinema 4K (4096 x 2160) internal & external (10-bit), only problem is that its micro 4/3rd sensor.
Both of them sound a bit crippled in my opinion.
They all have their problems, but both Gh4 & A7s is far more affordable.
So to say... this... "We want them to implement these features when they are current technology, not when they are old technology."
It isn't cause Canon doesn't have it, its cause you can't afford it.
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mkabi said:
The regular use won't care a whit about 4k vs UHD and UHD is actually better for them, if anything.
A7S+Shogun costs like 1/3 the price of a 1DC.
GH4 is better with both cinema 4K (4096 x 2160) internal & external (10-bit), only problem is that its micro 4/3rd sensor.
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mustafa said:
You can find anything used. And I was actually having trouble finding all that many A7R and A7S for sale. On FM there have been but very few, etc.
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Canon already has a 4K DSLR. It's the 1DC. It costs around $10K. The C300 sets you back $12-13K. A C300 with 4K is going to cost the same or maybe even more. None of these options work all that well for the small companies and independent guys. And worse than that when you do video having only 1 camera makes for a weak production. I would need 2 or even 3 of them.
For the types of shooting we do I take all this news with unrushed interest. Prices will come down. Features and capabilities will go up. Canon's competitors will come out with new products. I believe it will happen over the next 5 years or so. Meanwhile I will shoot with the HD equipment I have.
For the types of shooting we do I take all this news with unrushed interest. Prices will come down. Features and capabilities will go up. Canon's competitors will come out with new products. I believe it will happen over the next 5 years or so. Meanwhile I will shoot with the HD equipment I have.
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