6D with 3 flavor + Improve AF (compare to 5dm2)

[pakngah]

Hi,

I'm casual photographer and currently using 550d, sigma 30 f1.4, canon 85 f1.8, 24-105L, 430 EX2 and YN-560 II. I'm planning to upgrade to FF and my target is 5dm2. After announcement of 6D and D600 i plan to wait first and have read lot of 6D vs D600 spec comparison. Some say D600 have better spec and 6D wifi+gps is marketing gimmick only. So, there will be at least 3 flavor to choose and hopefully the basic 6D will be $1900.

Maybe 6D basic =1900, +GPS= 2000, +GPS+wifi=2100

Possible?

And the centre AF point will be cross (+) f5.6 with additional line f2.8 (I) and much better AI Servo (with custom tracking as 7d,5dm3) compare to 5dm2

 

[LostArk]

You can't go wrong with either a 5D2 or 6D. If you don't mind waiting, get a 6D.

 

[jocau]

Almost the same story here. I own a 550D, 18-55mm F/3.5-5.6 IS, 50mm F/1.8 II, 70-200mm F/4L IS and a Speedlite 580EX II. Also looking forward to a Fullframe body. I must admit that I'm disappointed with the 6D specs. I was at least expecting all focuspoints to be crosstype and a 100% coverage viewfinder. The Nikon D600 is a lot more interesting, but I hate selling all my gear and I just can't say goodbye to my 70-200m F/4L IS since no other brand has an alternative for it.

 

[Menace]

I'd suggest wait for the 6D if you can however, there will be some bargains available on the 5d II once 6d is released.

If you are seriously considering the D600 then it might be worth renting both (once avilable) over a couple of weekends to give you a good comparison.

Cheers

 

[DB]

As far as I can see there will only be one 6D model variant on sale in early-December that will have built-in WiFi + GPS as standard. Whether or not you see these as gimmicks may depend on your shooting style, for instance, if you like to take candid shots or remotely (can use your smartphone to view, trigger etc.) or if you like to take photos out and about (landscape etc.). I would wait until just before Christmas, then check out the reviews of the new 6D vs old 5D2 and make your decision then, but wait till early-January to make your purchase as typically this is when best prices/rebates offered on bodies.

 

[pakngah]

I think Canon really built this 6D for rebels user upgrading to FF. Cheapest option to me is used 5d (2005-2008). But I need movie function for my 3yo daughter (my reason for 550d), so 5d is out. (d700 too)

5dm2 should be enough for me (mostly took Landscape & Portrait Photography). My only concern is 5dm2 AI Servo AF when taking candid photo of my daughter. With my 550d, keeper is very low. I think 5dm2 got little advantage with additional 6 AF assist during AI Servo.

Then came 6D,
-with native ISO 100-25600 (as 5dm3) compare to 100-6400 in 5dm2.
-centre cross AF f5.6 and vertical line f2.8 compare to centre (f2.8 line and f5.6 line) in 5dm2. (as i only use centre point only).
-AF -3 EV compare to -0.5 EV in 5dm2
-AI Servo with tracking sensitivity as 7d, 5dm3 compare to default in 5dm2
-AFMA with wide and tele value each for zoom lens compare only 1 value in 5dm2

and I plan to get the basic flavor with no gps, no wifi (cheapest maybe?)

And for all this reason, i cancel for jump ship and looking foward for full real world review of 6D.


PS: table that i attach in my 1st post is from here:

http://www.canon.com.my/personal/products/interchangeable-lens-camera/dslr-eos/eos-6d?languageCode=EN#specificationAnchor

So i'm so sure 6D will sell with 3 flavor !!! 8)

 

[Imagination_landB]

Uh, I doubt this is an error isince it's written on an official canon site, but why malaysia.. only time will tell.. It suprises me a lot. It says there will be 2 not 3 variant.. One without GPS and WIFI. if it can cut the price by 150-250$ it would be great!

 

[pakngah]

3 variant is based on table 2. Or maybe only 2 variant and the 3rd one is typping error??

Another feature that i guess in 6D is support STM lens (EF 40 f2.8 STM) where it employs "Stepping Motor Technology". Which allows the lens to focus very quietly and useful in movie capture. AFIK, AF in video mode body dependant with only the 650D allowing for it. But the pancake is EF lens not EFs. So if this prosumer 6D don't support STM, which FF model will support this prosumer lens?

 

[wickidwombat]

whatever it comes out as I am willing to bet it wont take long for prices to drop sharply on these babies, definately would not want to be a bleeding edge first adopter on them.
for anyone that only uses center point AF ala 5d mk1 and mk2 then I think AF will be fine,
personally the liberation that has come with the 5Dmk3 AF for me was well worth the additional cost
however anyone that thinks the 6D AF will be any less limiting than the 5D 1&2 AF will be pretty disappointed I think. the other benefit of these coming out is used 5Dmk2 prices should go down too which should be good for those looking to buy, for me i wont sell my 5Dmk2s i'll just keep them as backups or loaners to second shooters. just not worth selling and they still take fantastic images

 

[Canon-F1]

there is only one 6D model ... not three models.
if there would be three models i guess they had told me on photokina.

but i like the idea... as long as it makes the 6D as much cheaper as canon charges for a WIFI grip.

 

[gngan]

Almost the same story here. I own a 550D, 18-55mm F/3.5-5.6 IS, 50mm F/1.8 II, 70-200mm F/4L IS and a Speedlite EX580 II. Also looking forward to a Fullframe body. I must admit that I'm disappointed with the 6D specs. I was at least expecting all focuspoints to be crosstype and a 100% coverage viewfinder. The Nikon D600 is a lot more interesting, but I hate selling all my gear and I just can't say goodbye to my 70-200m F/4L IS since no other brand has an alternative for it.

Same story here. 550D + Sigma 17-50 2.8 + 50 1.8 + 70-200 IS F4. I sold my Canon 10-22 and 24-105 cause i was going to upgrade to FF but very disappointed with the 6D spec. I will need to look at the review before deciding 6D or 5D mark 3.

I can afford the 5d mark 3 but i rather save those money and get some L lenses.

 

[crasher8]

This might be marketed at countries with regulations on wifi, gps and signal transmission. It may be that the US gets the full version only and thus the highest priced model of the 3.

 

[mdrewpix]

People, stop crapping on the 6D!!! Those who are "disappointed" without ever having shot a single frame with this camera are just being foolish. There is no way that Canon would build a camera that is worse than a four-year old model like the 5DII. Seriously, Canon is not stupid. They want to sell quality. Assuming that the AF is going to be bad based on the number of cross-type points is crazy. Billions upon billions of photos have been shot on 5DII's with it's admittedly mediocre AF. But to assume that a modern camera like the 6D won't be an order of magnitude better based on a spec sheet is just plain crazy.
Wait for some real-world tests by actual photographers - not gadget guides like Engadget or their ilk but people who actually make their living with photos and video - and then decide. In the meantime, quit prowling the fora and go take some pictures with what you already have. Become a better photographer. Then maybe you'll be able to make a truly informed decision.
Stop hating on cameras - or anything else for that matter - based on numbers on a website. If after shooting with the 6D you still feel the same way, then feel free to hate away.

 

[Frost]

Had a chance to play with the 6D a little at the Exposure show in Toronto yesterday. Although the card slots were NOT glued over, I didn't have a card with me to bring back files to peak at...

However, the AF worked quite well. I was able to lock focus on the rafters, which were VERY dark, instantly with the 70-200mm. It worked almost as fast with the 24-105mm.

I was going to drop the money a 5d mk ii, but after holding it my hand and playing around...I think I'll be saving up a few more pennies and getting the 6D after the early adopters run through the first batches and the price drops a little.

Solid camera that fills a gap and updates on the 5d mk ii' abilities.

Cheers.

 

[gngan]

People, stop crapping on the 6D!!! Those who are "disappointed" without ever having shot a single frame with this camera are just being foolish. There is no way that Canon would build a camera that is worse than a four-year old model like the 5DII. Seriously, Canon is not stupid. They want to sell quality. Assuming that the AF is going to be bad based on the number of cross-type points is crazy. Billions upon billions of photos have been shot on 5DII's with it's admittedly mediocre AF. But to assume that a modern camera like the 6D won't be an order of magnitude better based on a spec sheet is just plain crazy.
Wait for some real-world tests by actual photographers - not gadget guides like Engadget or their ilk but people who actually make their living with photos and video - and then decide. In the meantime, quit prowling the fora and go take some pictures with what you already have. Become a better photographer. Then maybe you'll be able to make a truly informed decision.
Stop hating on cameras - or anything else for that matter - based on numbers on a website. If after shooting with the 6D you still feel the same way, then feel free to hate away.

So people can't be disappointed with the spec? I can't rent the 6D when it's out so i will have to base of the spec now and review later before buying it. I know i won't be able to fully use the 6D but as a consumer, I would like to spend my money on the best possible product. I am disappointed with the 6D spec because it doesn't even have 7D's AF, which i don't think it's too much to ask. Moreover, the specs are worst than D600. Not that D600 is the best cause it has its downside but it looks to me 6D and D600 specs are very far away. That is why I am waiting for a proper review for 6D before deciding.

I have a feeling that Canon is holding up a lot of their technologies. They are slowly releasing bits and pieces while other manufacturers are releasing bigger updates/upgrades. Canon thinks that they can do this because they are leading the industry. I just hope other manufacturers will catch up and make Canon competitive again.

 

[Loswr]

This might be marketed at countries with regulations on wifi, gps and signal transmission. It may be that the US gets the full version only and thus the highest priced model of the 3.

Yep. For example, there are both a 600EX-RT and a 600-EX (no radio control), but the latter is only available in certain markets, and the USA isn't one of them.

 

[sb]

My only concern is 5dm2 AI Servo AF when taking candid photo of my daughter.

I'm not sure why you would use servo for candids. I shoot wedding candids all day long and I only ever use single shot. I have never once used the servo mode on my camera (other than screwing around when I first got the camera years ago) I think the purpose of servo is seriously misunderstood.

 

[Drizzt321]

3 variant is based on table 2. Or maybe only 2 variant and the 3rd one is typping error??

Another feature that i guess in 6D is support STM lens (EF 40 f2.8 STM) where it employs "Stepping Motor Technology". Which allows the lens to focus very quietly and useful in movie capture. AFIK, AF in video mode body dependant with only the 650D allowing for it. But the pancake is EF lens not EFs. So if this prosumer 6D don't support STM, which FF model will support this prosumer lens?

All of Canon's reasonably recent cameras support the STM lenses such as the 40mm pancake. Works just fine! However, the only current SLR models that support live video AF is the T4i/650D that was recently released. Also the EOS-M, but that seems to be basically the T4i stuffed into a smaller body without the mirror box and a smaller lens mount (with an adapter for EF/EF-S lenses). So if you want AF while capturing video, you need the T4i right now. Otherwise, you don't have it and need to buy a dedicated video device.

I'm actually frankly a little surprised that Canon didn't include the live AF in video on the 6D, it seems a logical progression for those coming from the Rebel world.

 

[unfocused]

Just a word of warning. I don't think anyone should count on being able to choose between a new 6D and a new 5DII.

Once the 6D hits the shelves, expect the 5DII to disappear. At a minimum, all rebates and discounts on any remaining 5DIIs in dealers' stock will end and dealers will quit receiving any new shipments. Canon did a remarkable job of pulling the 580EXII and making it impossible to find. Expect the same with the 5DII.

Refurbished and used models will remain, but they could very well be selling for as much or more than new models are now going for.

It is not in Canon's best interests to allow consumers to choose between the 6D and a heavily discounted 5DII. By the time the 6D is available, your choices on the new market will be the 6D or the 5DIII.

 

[chadders]

Just a word of warning. I don't think anyone should count on being able to choose between a new 6D and a new 5DII.

Once the 6D hits the shelves, expect the 5DII to disappear. At a minimum, all rebates and discounts on any remaining 5DIIs in dealers' stock will end and dealers will quit receiving any new shipments. Canon did a remarkable job of pulling the 580EXII and making it impossible to find. Expect the same with the 5DII.

Refurbished and used models will remain, but they could very well be selling for as much or more than new models are now going for.

It is not in Canon's best interests to allow consumers to choose between the 6D and a heavily discounted 5DII. By the time the 6D is available, your choices on the new market will be the 6D or the 5DIII.

Absolutely spot on. And the price for the few remaining 580EXII's in the UK seems to have increased.