A Real EOS M Replacement Coming Soon? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’ve been told that Canon has given word to various divisions around the globe that they will address the EOS M in December of this year. Apparently demo units have been recalled by Canon at customer centres in a couple of countries that aren’t in Asia, which suggests a truly global replacement of the EOS M.</p>
<p>December seems like an odd time for an announcement for an EOS M replacement. If it does in fact happen, I wouldn’t expect shipments to start until the new year.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[HaroldC3]

It does seem like an odd time for an announcement since the a7000 is rumored to be announced in January. Let's just hope it's something similar to the a7000 rumored specs but my guess is it will have the same sensor as the 70d.

 

[tayassu]

Realistically speaking, that would probably mean the 70D sensor, a mediocre AF system, no VF and some little handling changes... :/ come on, Canon, prove me wrong!

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Finally a mirrorless must have the same sensor 70D.

 

[Woody]

Darn, I just paid US$320 for an EOS-M 22 f/2 kit.

Realistically speaking, that would probably mean the 70D sensor, a mediocre AF system, no VF and some little handling changes... :/ come on, Canon, prove me wrong!

Actually, if it has the 70D sensor, DPAF should be fast enough. Will like to see some kind of VF and definitely a wired remote connection.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Realistically speaking, that would probably mean the 70D sensor, a mediocre AF system, no VF and some little handling changes... :/ come on, Canon, prove me wrong!

Mediocre AF system? ???
Dual pixel AF has great performance without mirror. :

 

[Khalai]

Realistically speaking, that would probably mean the 70D sensor, a mediocre AF system, no VF and some little handling changes... :/ come on, Canon, prove me wrong!

Mediocre AF system? ???
Dual pixel AF has great performance without mirror. :

He is clearly referencing to the AF sluggishness, when original EOS M were introduced. After SW patch, thing got a little better, but he has a point in that a new M body would need really responsive AF system (possibly DPAF) to avoid being DoA...

 

[tayassu]

I have not yet seen pleasing AF in the last Canon compact models (M, G1X, G7X also seems to perform not that well); I have still hope, but mediocre was what we saw in the last ones...

 

[baervan]

come on Canon if the rumor's true bring it on!!!

It's your chance to produce something innovative and exciting without astronomical price tag!!!

GOGOGO!

 

[mustafa]

My preference is for an APS-C version of the Panasonic GX7, same form factor (slightly larger probably) but obviously with Canon's best APS-C parts (AF, sensor, etc.). In other words an optimised-for-street, quick reflexes, rangefinder. Would need to have Panny's faults eliminated (lack of mic input, lukewarm video performance, etc.).

Would prefer GPS and articulated screen, but tilting screen would be OK. A decent wi-fi/app a necessity. Pop-up flash would be nice, but not a deal-breaker. Hot-shoe on top of a pop-up, anyone? M lenses are OK as a starting point.

 

[Bob Howland]

Since we're doing wish lists, I'd like the M3 to be really small, like the Panasonic GM5. I'd like to replace my G10 with something having a much larger sensor. And, no, the G1X isn't it. Speaking of large sensors, how about a mirrorless FF, about the size of a Sony A6000 but using a shortened EF mount. That would be perfect. Since I always use a 270EX flash on my G10, a popup flash is unnecessary.

 

[baervan]

Ah yes, wishlists!

Needed:
- AF on par with Sony/MFT
- EVF on par with Sony/MFT
- DPAF
- Zebras / Peaking

Optional:
- Tilty screen
- WiFi
- 60pfs @1080
- current form factor is great, but i wouldnt mind it a little bigger to accomodate good new features
- the grip could be bigger, i think it could easily bulge out to match the depth of the 22mm
- a better rear wheel and perhaps another good dial would be ace

 

[DRR]

OK my wish list -

Slightly bigger to accommodate better ergonomics. This is one of my main gripes with the existing M. Slightly larger grip like the GX7. As mentioned previously, better dial(s).

Good EVF. Doesn't have to be best in class but respectable. Current M is impossible to use on a sunny day because you can't see what you're shooting on the LCD.

Good AF performance. Again it doesn't have to be the best, but it has to be good enough that it's not a weakness.

EF-M mount. APS-C. The 70D sensor with DPAF would be wonderful. Current EOS-M has decent build quality, I'd say no worse than that.

Introduce it with a native EF-M 56mm f/1.8.

I'd probably go $800 for a camera like that. Wifi would be nice too.

 

[c.d.embrey]

It needs to be as good as an Olympus E-M1, a Panasonic GH4 or a Fuji X-T1. Anything less will not cause people to switch back to Canon.

 

[Lee Jay]

For me, this camera has no chance of being interesting unless it has dual-pixel focusing, and a standard (slow) zoom that starts at 15mm (24mm equivalent) and retracts entirely inside the camera.

 

[josephandrews222]

I don't want the M to be any bigger.

Yes the AF needs big-time improving.

But I have a beef with those who post on this board and yammer on and on about the need for a viewfinder.

I was there...until I bought an M.

Shooting without a viewfinder is simply different...not necessarily better or worse...and after a ten-day family vacation where nearly all of my images were obtained with the M (and its 11-22mm lens, the M's killer app), I became quite familiar with its eccentricities...and I was hooked! And yes I still love traditional DSLRs (and their viewfinders).

What is WAYYYYYYY more important to this vacation/travel/street shooter...is (even a tiny) on-board flash.

I own the 270 flash...but don't always have it with me. Daylight vacation people shots BEG for the onboard flash...and the fact that my 40D has the onboard flash is one reason that it still gets used.

But I suspect that those who demand a viewfinder etc. really haven't used the M.

 

[Lee Jay]

For me, this camera has no chance of being interesting unless it has dual-pixel focusing, and a standard (slow) zoom that starts at 15mm (24mm equivalent) and retracts entirely inside the camera.

Oh yeah...one more thing. It has to have at least one (preferably more) 1:1 video crop mode.

 

[Zv]

I think we'll see DPAF in the next Rebel / T whatever i, before we even get a sniff of it in an EOS M. The M line sits below the DSLRs. Unless Canon are about to leapfrog the M into a higher class with a more advanced feature set? Could be possible if they finally take mirrorless seriously.

A new mount is unlikely unless they are completely abandoning the M mount. The recentish release of the 55-200 suggests they are still investing in it.

I really like the M as it is. All it needs is much faster AF. The M2 fixes that to a certain extent and at it's current price in Japan it is really tempting but I really want to see where they are going with the next M to make a decision.

Small and fast. That's all I want. Viewfinder and flash be damned. That's what rebels are for.

 

[andrewflo]

An M3 that is very similar to the M2, but with a better sensor would be pretty rad and IMO the most realistic prediction I can come up with. Will we see something revolutionary? I'd certainly hope so but I'm not holding my breath.

Considering how accustomed I've become to the M's focus speed, the M2 looks like a dream in comparison (other mirrorless focus speeds seem unbelievable by these standards of course).

Is it possible to engineer something like the M to be pocketable w/ a 22mm attached? Maybe a 22mm Mark II to suite that need?

This camera in a pocketable size would win me over even at the ~$800 price point. But I completely understand that is probably not Canon's priority with an M3 as they have the G7X for that purpose.

 

[Zv]

Oh and can we have an EF M 55mm f/1.8 IS STM please Canon? That would be the ultimate on an ultra small, ultra fast M3!! ;D