I thought that 'release of NDA' seemed to far ahead of Photokina to be true. If PMA was any measure, it would be the weekday ahead of the show- too much time for a drop off of interest if too early.
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A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
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Hi all...
Could someone explain this for me? "f/8 on center point at least, could be on more points"
Basically the new 7DII/X not so attractive, just a "turbo" version of 70D...
Think i should get ready for FF like 6D or 5DIII if when 7DII/X announced, hope the FF will drop...
thanks~
Could someone explain this for me? "f/8 on center point at least, could be on more points"
Basically the new 7DII/X not so attractive, just a "turbo" version of 70D...
Think i should get ready for FF like 6D or 5DIII if when 7DII/X announced, hope the FF will drop...
thanks~
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I appreciate the rumors and constant updates heading into Photokina, but I am confused by the lack of lens information coming out of Canon's camp. I don't understand why there's fewer, pro-sumer L lenses being released this year. Furthermore, I had hoped Canon's marketing company would launch a refreshed 100-400 L II lens, as a flagship and something to market/pair with their impending 7D II sales.
At this rate,
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When this is all Canon has to show at Photokina it is a MAJOR letdown. 
The 7D MK2 looks like a camera that should be released 2 years ago.
Looking at the specs i see nothing that justifies the long waiting.
The rumor mill always told us it will be a fantastic Video camera.
Even Smartphones offer 4K recording, but no 4K in the 7D MK2?
Compared to other rumored products the Canon offerings look boring and unimaginative.
You sure would expect something more from Canon.
IF Sony shows a 50MP camera canon looks even more like the conservative and boring company.
No imagination, no risk. All they care about is Shareholder value i guess.
I don´t care if Canon is the market leader. That gives me nothing.
I want Canon to be a innovative company.
This rumored stuff is just boring boring boring...
The 7D MK2 looks like a camera that should be released 2 years ago.
Looking at the specs i see nothing that justifies the long waiting.
The rumor mill always told us it will be a fantastic Video camera.
Even Smartphones offer 4K recording, but no 4K in the 7D MK2?
Compared to other rumored products the Canon offerings look boring and unimaginative.
You sure would expect something more from Canon.
IF Sony shows a 50MP camera canon looks even more like the conservative and boring company.
No imagination, no risk. All they care about is Shareholder value i guess.
I don´t care if Canon is the market leader. That gives me nothing.
I want Canon to be a innovative company.
This rumored stuff is just boring boring boring...
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Gantz said:When this is all Canon has to show at Photokina it is a MAJOR letdown.
The 7D MK2 looks like a camera that should be released 2 years ago.
Looking at the specs i see nothing that justifies the long waiting.
The rumor mill always told us it will be a fantastic Video camera.
Even Smartphones offer 4K recording, but no 4K in the 7D MK2?
Compared to other rumored products the Canon offerings look boring and unimaginative.
You sure would expect something more from Canon.
IF Sony shows a 50MP camera canon looks even more like the conservative and boring company.
No imagination, no risk. All they care about is Shareholder value i guess.
I don´t care if Canon is the market leader. That gives me nothing.
I want Canon to be a innovative company.
This rumored stuff is just boring boring boring...
To be clear, I'm not a Canon fanboy, but...
The only thing Nikon has been innovative with in the last few years is the sensor of the D800, and that is a Sony sensor... They are using the same AF system, of course a little tweaked, in all their higher-end cameras since the D3s... If you look at two comparative products by Canon and Nikon, lets say 6D and D610, on paper, the D610 looks amazing, the 6D rather unspectacular. But in real world, Canon always offers the better performing products. The only thing that the D610 beats the 6D in is AF in daylight and that is although it is a newer camera. If you look at the other brands, Pentax' AF is just not good... At last Sony... If you are offered a 5DIII and an A7R, which one do you take? The one with little better DR/more res and the lighter/smaller one or the better all-around camera with a professional AF that lives up to pro's expectations and amazing IQ as well? Also, would you buy into a lens system that is considered the best in the world or one that has only a few good lenses and that's because they are working with Zeiss? I'm just saying... Innovation is important, but Canon makes great all around products, there is nothing on the market to seriously compete with the 7DII... And they are not uninnovative... DPAF, Fisheye zoom, built-in-converters, the widest TS lens ever made... Think about it
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Canon was using the 18MP sensor for ages.
You know we can find examples that way or the other way.
So the Nikon beats the Canon even with an old AF?
I saw the D610 besting the 6D in many reviews so let´s say that is subjective.
Of course that is what Canon still makes attractive.
The lineup they build over the decades are a strong point for choosing Canon.
Thought the top products are out of reach for many and they still have no good ultrawide zoom.
Canon can only hope it stays that way and Sony is unable to catch up in terms of lenses.
DPAF, Fisheye zoom, built-in-converters, the widest TS lens ever made... Think about it
I have seen on sensor Phase Detection AF on other cameras before Canon.
Don´t get me wrong i don´t say Canon suddenly makes BAD cameras.
And the top products sure show some nice feature (Ethernet in the 1DX).
But those small updates in the Rebel line over the years and now the rumored 7D MK2 specs are unimpressiv. The 7D MK2 will be a solid camera no question. Will it be impressive.. no!
As a Canon user since the AE1 i want Canon to push the technology.
It was always told the 7D MK2 will be THE camera for video.
Now it looks like it will not even beat the GH4.
And i bet we will see the GH5 long before Canon updates the 7D MK2.
So 3 years without 4K video?
As Videographer i would think hard about buying the 7D MK2.
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I think, whether you are impressed by a camera or not is also a subjective thing. Everytime I pick my good old 7D up after using my father's 5DIII, I'm amazed by its IQ, I love the colors, the handling is the best I've ever seen, the noise is with RAW and Lr no problem... We have different approaches to what is impressive...
But I don't think the GH5 will be here before the 7DII nor have I said that Canon has no "flaws" (like the mentioned 18mp sensor), I just wanted to show that Canon is not the only one staying with old technologies
But I don't think the GH5 will be here before the 7DII nor have I said that Canon has no "flaws" (like the mentioned 18mp sensor), I just wanted to show that Canon is not the only one staying with old technologies
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tayassu said:But I don't think the GH5 will be here before the 7DII nor have I said that Canon has no "flaws" (like the mentioned 18mp sensor), I just wanted to show that Canon is not the only one staying with old technologies
You got that wrong.
I said the GH5 will be here before Canon updates the 7D MK2 (aka 7D MKIII).
With smartphones and m43 cameras adding 4K i don´t get why Canon sticks to HD.
Well yes.. so they don´t cut into their cinema line. :
As a customer and amateur i don´t have to approve that.
I rather buy a GH4 for video then. And Canon gets no money at all.
After all that talk abot how great the 7D MK2 will be (especially for video) don´t you think (if the rumors are true) that many will be dissapointed?
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tayassu said:I think, whether you are impressed by a camera or not is also a subjective thing. Everytime I pick my good old 7D up after using my father's 5DIII, I'm amazed by its IQ, I love the colors, the handling is the best I've ever seen, the noise is with RAW and Lr no problem... We have different approaches to what is impressive...
But I don't think the GH5 will be here before the 7DII nor have I said that Canon has no "flaws" (like the mentioned 18mp sensor), I just wanted to show that Canon is not the only one staying with old technologies
Subjective indeed!
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Gantz said:When this is all Canon has to show at Photokina it is a MAJOR letdown.
The 7D MK2 looks like a camera that should be released 2 years ago.
Looking at the specs i see nothing that justifies the long waiting.
The rumor mill always told us it will be a fantastic Video camera.
Even Smartphones offer 4K recording, but no 4K in the 7D MK2?
Compared to other rumored products the Canon offerings look boring and unimaginative.
You sure would expect something more from Canon.
IF Sony shows a 50MP camera canon looks even more like the conservative and boring company.
No imagination, no risk. All they care about is Shareholder value i guess.
I don´t care if Canon is the market leader. That gives me nothing.
I want Canon to be a innovative company.
This rumored stuff is just boring boring boring...
Totally agree. Who cares if any company sells the most if their products lack spark.
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sanj said:Gantz said:When this is all Canon has to show at Photokina it is a MAJOR letdown.
The 7D MK2 looks like a camera that should be released 2 years ago.
Looking at the specs i see nothing that justifies the long waiting.
The rumor mill always told us it will be a fantastic Video camera.
Even Smartphones offer 4K recording, but no 4K in the 7D MK2?
Compared to other rumored products the Canon offerings look boring and unimaginative.
You sure would expect something more from Canon.
IF Sony shows a 50MP camera canon looks even more like the conservative and boring company.
No imagination, no risk. All they care about is Shareholder value i guess.
I don´t care if Canon is the market leader. That gives me nothing.
I want Canon to be a innovative company.
This rumored stuff is just boring boring boring...
Totally agree. Who cares if any company sells the most if their products lack spark.
Well i bought an older Porsche not a VW or Toyota.
I don´t want a car that is good looking & fast but unreliable (so i did not buy a more exotic car) but as Porsche proves you can have both.
All i want is Canon to take a little more risk and suprise us.
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Gantz said:
You're right...the new EF 16-35mm f/4L IS not a 'good' UWA zoom, it's an excellent UWA zoom.
sanj said:
The shareholders care...you know, those people to whom Canon has a legal obligation.
As for products that 'lack spark', that's completely subjective. Their products spark enough interest to keep them the market leader...
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neuroanatomist said:
You may have a different view what a ultrawide zoom is.
But afaik an ultrawide zoom does not start at 16mm.
Ok after wikipedia it is, at least on FF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_wide_angle_lens
But it´s more like a 12-24mm i am talking about.
And?
Why should i as customer care and defend Canon for that?
Maybe some day Canon decides to kill the camera biz as Sony has done with the TV biz. Are you fine with that too?
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I'm not saying the 5DIII is not better than the 7D, but after using a 2 year-old FF sensor, I'm amazed what results come out of an 5 year-old APS-C sensorsanj said:tayassu said:I think, whether you are impressed by a camera or not is also a subjective thing. Everytime I pick my good old 7D up after using my father's 5DIII, I'm amazed by its IQ, I love the colors, the handling is the best I've ever seen, the noise is with RAW and Lr no problem... We have different approaches to what is impressive...
But I don't think the GH5 will be here before the 7DII nor have I said that Canon has no "flaws" (like the mentioned 18mp sensor), I just wanted to show that Canon is not the only one staying with old technologies
Subjective indeed!
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