An EOS 3D Mention [CR1]

[nicku]

Interesting... If Canon wil put the sensor in a 1D style body the price will be in the 10k's

 

[Rick]

Dear Canon, do not even think about...

calling it or pricing it like a 1D series camera unless you really only want to sell 5 of them worldwide. Didn't you learn your lesson with the 5D2 and 1Ds mkIII? Nikon learned. There aren't enough people willing to buy cameras priced at $5K, $6k or $7k to turn a real profit unless this is a Boy's Club move designed for reputational purposes only.

Do not listen to folks who claim they need a rugged, super heavy camera to shoot high resolution applications. It doesn't rain in studios to my knowledge and anyone shooting landscapes or archtecture in the rain are kinda nuts. I own a 5D2 and a 3Dx and now a D800E (yet to accompany me on a photo trip) and the 3Dx is so unnecessarily large and heavy that I reach for my 5D2 90% of the time for hiking and the backcountry. That's not the way it should be because the D3x is a much better camera than the 5D2.

50 MPs? Are you cramming this many Px on a 35mm format sensor so that you can justify the rumor price? I'll take 50 MPs no sweat but I'll pay market price for them based on Nikon's price of $3299 for 36 MP. That's about $4600 tops.

And finally, to those who inexplicably wish to see high a resolution camera released in a 1D series body, keep in mind that Canon doesn't run rebates or reduce the price of 1D series cameras until clearance time.

 

[Albi86]

Re: Dear Canon, do not even think about...

calling it or pricing it like a 1D series camera unless you really only want to sell 5 of them worldwide. Didn't you learn your lesson with the 5D2 and 1Ds mkIII? Nikon learned. There aren't enough people willing to buy cameras priced at $5K, $6k or $7k to turn a real profit unless this is a Boy's Club move designed for reputational purposes only.

Do not listen to folks who claim they need a rugged, super heavy camera to shoot high resolution applications. It doesn't rain in studios to my knowledge and anyone shooting landscapes or archtecture in the rain are kinda nuts. I own a 5D2 and a 3Dx and now a D800E (yet to accompany me on a photo trip) and the 3Dx is so unnecessarily large and heavy that I reach for my 5D2 90% of the time for hiking and the backcountry. That's not the way it should be because the D3x is a much better camera than the 5D2.

50 MPs? Are you cramming this many Px on a 35mm format sensor so that you can justify the rumor price? I'll take 50 MPs no sweat but I'll pay market price for them based on Nikon's price of $3299 for 36 MP. That's about $4600 tops.

And finally, to those who inexplicably wish to see high a resolution camera released in a 1D series body, keep in mind that Canon doesn't run rebates or reduce the price of 1D series cameras until clearance time.

Though I totally agree with you in theory, I doubt it will happen.

Canon will not put it agains the D800, they will offer a higher-end model - which means a 1D body and price.

In all honesty this makes sense, since I can only imagine certain pros to need 50MP. Nikon's choice has been kind of brave and certainly revolutionary.

 

[rs]

Yeah, Canons current upper limit of MP to the low 20's is a good compromise for most people.

If you have a 50+ MP body, getting all of those extra pixels to work for you isn't impossible, but it'll be hard work. Diffraction will start robbing you of resolution beyond about f6.7, so to make use of all those pixels you'll need a lens capable of resolving 50+ MP of detail at large apertures. And if you want a large depth of field while making use of that resolution, TS-E's or focus stacking are probably your only option.

This will be a camera for a limited market.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Dear Canon, do not even think about...

It doesn't rain in studios to my knowledge and anyone shooting landscapes or archtecture in the rain are kinda nuts.

I do shoot in the rain, and I probably am a bit nuts, but I also have an umbrella.....

 

[Rick]

Re: Dear Canon, do not even think about...

It doesn't rain in studios to my knowledge and anyone shooting landscapes or archtecture in the rain are kinda nuts.

I do shoot in the rain, and I probably am a bit nuts, but I also have an umbrella.....

Well...actually, you are not shooting in the rain technically so we can call off the psychiatrist. I shoot when it is raining too but under cover. I meant shooting in the rain perhaps like sports shooters or PFs may have to from time to time. I see no reason to bulk up a high res camera.

 

[rs]

Some of the most dramatic lighting for outdoor shots such as landscapes can be when the sunlight momentarily breaks through a storm. If you're doing that, weatherproof gear is nice to have as a backup if the umbrella breaks...

The sensor is probably the single most expensive component in an SLR - why would what is likely to be the most expensive production Canon sensor at the time of release be put in a budget body? It'd still be an expensive camera, aimed at pros. Stuff like a minimal shutter lag, minimal viewfinder blackout and fast x sync (on full frame) are still exclusive to the 1 series, as is the rugged build to cope with years of use and abuse by owners who sees it as simply a tool rather than a treasured once in a lifetime investment - so why not put it in a 1 series body?

 

[Rick]

Some of the most dramatic lighting for outdoor shots such as landscapes can be when the sunlight momentarily breaks through a storm. If you're doing that, weatherproof gear is nice to have as a backup if the umbrella breaks...

The sensor is probably the single most expensive component in an SLR - why would what is likely to be the most expensive production Canon sensor at the time of release be put in a budget body? It'd still be an expensive camera, aimed at pros. Stuff like a minimal shutter lag, minimal viewfinder blackout and fast x sync (on full frame) are still exclusive to the 1 series, as is the rugged build to cope with years of use and abuse by owners who sees it as simply a tool rather than a treasured once in a lifetime investment - so why not put it in a 1 series body?

1.) I think professionals have already demonstrated that expensive cameras are not going to fly. But, Canon's main customers, non-professionals, will shut this camera down if it arrives with a 1D series body and price.

2.) Sensors do not add the expense the gullible public believes they do. The largest expense in a !D serties camera is marketing cachet.

3.) I think the vast majority of professionals shooting landscape in the backcountry (as opposed to overlooks
with the rest of the tourists) will want a small light body like the 5D2 which they adopted in droves.

4.) If someone is put firing away with a 50 MP sensor at landscapes and needs zero shutter lag. he/she may have purchased the wrong camera.

 

[ddashti]

The name will indeed be misleading to many folks out there, which can't be helped.

 

[sanj]

Some of the most dramatic lighting for outdoor shots such as landscapes can be when the sunlight momentarily breaks through a storm. If you're doing that, weatherproof gear is nice to have as a backup if the umbrella breaks...

The sensor is probably the single most expensive component in an SLR - why would what is likely to be the most expensive production Canon sensor at the time of release be put in a budget body? It'd still be an expensive camera, aimed at pros. Stuff like a minimal shutter lag, minimal viewfinder blackout and fast x sync (on full frame) are still exclusive to the 1 series, as is the rugged build to cope with years of use and abuse by owners who sees it as simply a tool rather than a treasured once in a lifetime investment - so why not put it in a 1 series body?

I agree with everything you mention.
This camera will be for people who want the finest IQ and would want rest of the things you mention attached with it. All this is possible, or better possible, in the 1 series body.

 

[rs]

Some of the most dramatic lighting for outdoor shots such as landscapes can be when the sunlight momentarily breaks through a storm. If you're doing that, weatherproof gear is nice to have as a backup if the umbrella breaks...

The sensor is probably the single most expensive component in an SLR - why would what is likely to be the most expensive production Canon sensor at the time of release be put in a budget body? It'd still be an expensive camera, aimed at pros. Stuff like a minimal shutter lag, minimal viewfinder blackout and fast x sync (on full frame) are still exclusive to the 1 series, as is the rugged build to cope with years of use and abuse by owners who sees it as simply a tool rather than a treasured once in a lifetime investment - so why not put it in a 1 series body?

1.) I think professionals have already demonstrated that expensive cameras are not going to fly. But, Canon's main customers, non-professionals, will shut this camera down if it arrives with a 1D series body and price.

2.) Sensors do not add the expense the gullible public believes they do. The largest expense in a !D serties camera is marketing cachet.

3.) I think the vast majority of professionals shooting landscape in the backcountry (as opposed to overlooks
with the rest of the tourists) will want a small light body like the 5D2 which they adopted in droves.

4.) If someone is put firing away with a 50 MP sensor at landscapes and needs zero shutter lag. he/she may have purchased the wrong camera.

The 5D mk II was very successful for landscape work, but it was mostly just a re-hash of the one year old 1Ds mk III sensor in a low end body (nothing wrong with that - I've got a 5D mk II and its great). Nikon broke the mould this time round by featuring a high MP sensor first in a non flagship model, but that doesn't mean Canon have to follow them down that route.

Not all subjects requiring high MP are stationary like landscapes and product photography - any studio work with moving objects such as models does benefit from short shutter lag and minimal viewfinder blackout, and a fast flash sync speed is a huge help in countless situations.

 

[sanj]

Some of the most dramatic lighting for outdoor shots such as landscapes can be when the sunlight momentarily breaks through a storm. If you're doing that, weatherproof gear is nice to have as a backup if the umbrella breaks...

The sensor is probably the single most expensive component in an SLR - why would what is likely to be the most expensive production Canon sensor at the time of release be put in a budget body? It'd still be an expensive camera, aimed at pros. Stuff like a minimal shutter lag, minimal viewfinder blackout and fast x sync (on full frame) are still exclusive to the 1 series, as is the rugged build to cope with years of use and abuse by owners who sees it as simply a tool rather than a treasured once in a lifetime investment - so why not put it in a 1 series body?

1.) I think professionals have already demonstrated that expensive cameras are not going to fly. But, Canon's main customers, non-professionals, will shut this camera down if it arrives with a 1D series body and price.

2.) Sensors do not add the expense the gullible public believes they do. The largest expense in a !D serties camera is marketing cachet.

3.) I think the vast majority of professionals shooting landscape in the backcountry (as opposed to overlooks
with the rest of the tourists) will want a small light body like the 5D2 which they adopted in droves.

4.) If someone is put firing away with a 50 MP sensor at landscapes and needs zero shutter lag. he/she may have purchased the wrong camera.

The 5D mk II was very successful for landscape work, but it was mostly just a re-hash of the one year old 1Ds mk III sensor in a low end body (nothing wrong with that - I've got a 5D mk II and its great). Nikon broke the mould this time round by featuring a high MP sensor first in a non flagship model, but that doesn't mean Canon have to follow them down that route.

Not all subjects requiring high MP are stationary like landscapes and product photography - any studio work with moving objects such as models does benefit from short shutter lag and minimal viewfinder blackout, and a fast flash sync speed is a huge help in countless situations.

SO TRUE!!! I just do not get it when people mention landscape along with high MP.....

 

[Rick]

Some of the most dramatic lighting for outdoor shots such as landscapes can be when the sunlight momentarily breaks through a storm. If you're doing that, weatherproof gear is nice to have as a backup if the umbrella breaks...

The sensor is probably the single most expensive component in an SLR - why would what is likely to be the most expensive production Canon sensor at the time of release be put in a budget body? It'd still be an expensive camera, aimed at pros. Stuff like a minimal shutter lag, minimal viewfinder blackout and fast x sync (on full frame) are still exclusive to the 1 series, as is the rugged build to cope with years of use and abuse by owners who sees it as simply a tool rather than a treasured once in a lifetime investment - so why not put it in a 1 series body?

1.) I think professionals have already demonstrated that expensive cameras are not going to fly. But, Canon's main customers, non-professionals, will shut this camera down if it arrives with a 1D series body and price.

2.) Sensors do not add the expense the gullible public believes they do. The largest expense in a !D serties camera is marketing cachet.

3.) I think the vast majority of professionals shooting landscape in the backcountry (as opposed to overlooks
with the rest of the tourists) will want a small light body like the 5D2 which they adopted in droves.

4.) If someone is put firing away with a 50 MP sensor at landscapes and needs zero shutter lag. he/she may have purchased the wrong camera.

The 5D mk II was very successful for landscape work, but it was mostly just a re-hash of the one year old 1Ds mk III sensor in a low end body (nothing wrong with that - I've got a 5D mk II and its great). Nikon broke the mould this time round by featuring a high MP sensor first in a non flagship model, but that doesn't mean Canon have to follow them down that route.

Not all subjects requiring high MP are stationary like landscapes and product photography - any studio work with moving objects such as models does benefit from short shutter lag and minimal viewfinder blackout, and a fast flash sync speed is a huge help in countless situations.

SO TRUE!!! I just do not get it when people mention landscape along with high MP.....

None of these features preclude a lighter, small body. You fellows presume these features must go hand in hand with a boat anchor and ridiculous pricing. This just doesn't have to be true. Maybe that's why a 3D body keeps being mentioned in relation to high resolution. I really think there's something to be said for the idea that folks have an emotional need to own a large camera disregarding the heritage of the 35mm format being a smaller, lighter camera.

 

[alexturton]

now this is a canon 3d!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexturton/6942558872/#

 

[rs]

now this is a canon 3d!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexturton/6942558872/#

Does it have sufficient nose clearance?

 

[fpdv01]

Well, that would help to double the sales of "L" glass!!

 

[BumpyMunky]

now this is a canon 3d!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexturton/6942558872/#

Ok, lets be serious for a minute. This MUST be photoshopped, and can't be the Canon 3D for the following reasons:

[list type=decimal]
[*]the mounts are too close together to mount most lenses
[*]there is no lens release button for the camera-right lens mount, unless they figure someone is going to juggle simultaneous lens ejections [wait, that didn't sound right...]
[*]the tag on the body says 7D mark II.
[/list]

 

[rpt]

now this is a canon 3d!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexturton/6942558872/#

Ok, lets be serious for a minute. This MUST be photoshopped, and can't be the Canon 3D for the following reasons:

[list type=decimal]
[*]the mounts are too close together to mount most lenses
[*]there is no lens release button for the camera-right lens mount, unless they figure someone is going to juggle simultaneous lens ejections [wait, that didn't sound right...]
[*]the tag on the body says 7D mark II.
[/list]

Forget the 7DII typo. This was a quick turnaround prototype. Soon you will see twin barrel lenses that are press fit to lock!

You will not be able to use old glass on this monster. How do you think companies make money hand over fist?