EOS M6 Mark II
- Dec 4, 2020
My question is which is the better package -- the C70 (true 4K on a super 35 sensor) of the R5/V+ combo (pseudo 8K on a full frame sensor)?
I was mistaken. I thought the R5 just did 8K UHD (7680 x 4320) but it is capable of DCI 8K after all.I got to ask why is it pseudo?
It's going to be HDMI of some sort because they've implied it'll eventually rollout to other cameras. Those other cameras may not support USB . Plus if they allow USB out why do you even need a recorder?
Canon has no license to ProRes or ProRes RAW for the R5.Plus if they allow USB out why do you even need a recorder?
Canon has no license to ProRes or ProRes RAW for the R5.
They could theoretically purchase and resell a license ProRes is an intensive codec and would probably overheat the R5 in five minutes.
When attached, the R5 is just pushing out a basic signal while the Ninja V is doing all of the encoding work,
Taking that load off might allow the R5 to record 8K indefinitely without overheating.
Yeah, theoretically the R5 could record Canon RAW to an external USB SSD without overheating.I was thinking just sending Canon raw or raw lite out. With Prores the camera needs to take the raw data convert to a video signal .
Good news. Will just have to think three, or even four times about the price."The Ninja V+ will record 8Kp30 ProRes RAW from the Canon EOS R5 mirrorless camera via a standard HDMI 2.0 connection. Atomos and Canon have worked together for the past 2 years to bring customers a world first for capturing stunning 8K RAW and HDR images with incredible clarity and detail in a compact and configurable system that is very affordable when compared with other 8K setups. The possibilities you have when shooting in 8K are a true game changer. Canon and Atomos have democratized 8K for the masses with no compromise in quality. Coming later in 2021 with an update from Canon."
So Canon was working together with Atomos before the R5 was even released.
If this had come out at the same time as the R5 then there would be no overheating controversy.
Maybe Atomos was late and screwed Canon.
Atomos stated that they are ready and waiting on Canon to release the firmware update for the R5.
What bother's me is that the speaker made it sound like the only 8K supported will be RAW.Good news. Will just have to think three, or even four times about the price.
You should replace the Canon EF adapter with either the Breakthrough ND adapter or the Canon variable ND adapter + the price of the ND filters.I asked the question C70 vs R5/V+. Here are some stats --
The C70 with the EF-EOS R 0.71x adapter and recording media runs about $6550.
The R5 with the Ninja V+ and the AtomX Sync and recording media runs about $6000. Add about $200 if you want the basic EF-RF adapter. (for reference, the Z CAM E2-F8 runs about $6000)
Both systems have SMPTE timecode — the C70 uses standard BNC cables, the V+/AtomX Sync uses the Timecode Systems wireless protocol.
The C70 has better audio capabilities, which is helpful on ENG/EFP shoots & smaller productions but larger shows use timecode to sync to external audio recording anyway.
The C70 has built in ND filters, commonly used on ENG/EFP shoots but film style productions tend to use a matte box and filters in front of the lens.
The C70 outputs 4K from a Super 35mm sensor while the R5 outputs 8K from a full frame (36mm X 24mm) sensor.
I like the idea of 8K from a full frame sensor. It gives my cinematographer and VFX people more resolution/data to work with.
It stands to reason that Canon will produce a cinema series camera with FF 8K in the near future and it will be compatible with the Ninja V+ via SDI. The question becomes “at what price?”
It'll be interesting to see hands on comparisons.