Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[vscd]

Sometimes I don't understand the customers... wanting a High Megapixel cam but ISO409600? Haha. Of course you get ISO6400 with that small pixels... but if the sensor is a recent Sonysensor then you can easily Push it up to 2-3 stops. The H1/H2/H3 Modes will be quite clean I think.

Canon was aiming to high ISOs in the last few years, being way beyond their competitor from ISO800 and up...

Now, increased Dynamic Range will come with decreased ISO. Really surprised? :

 

[Lee Jay]

Sometimes I don't understand the customers... wanting a High Megapixel cam but ISO409600? Haha. Of course you get ISO6400 with that small pixels...

Those small pixels give us ISO 16,000 in the 7DII.

 

[Jesse]

Alright, so... do I want the S or the S R?

Someone explain the difference!!

 

[Don Haines]

Sometimes I don't understand the customers... wanting a High Megapixel cam but ISO409600? Haha. Of course you get ISO6400 with that small pixels...

Those small pixels give us ISO 16,000 in the 7DII.

although we don't yet know if there is a H1 or H2 ISO setting... Too early to tell for sure, but not looking good....

 

[vscd]

Those small pixels give us ISO 16,000 in the 7DII.

No, the Pixels of the 7DM2 are larger. Should be anything equal to a D800 (36MP).

By the way...never wondered why ISO 16000 is no real full stop in the exposure-line? I guess the cam already pushed it internally. The 7DM2 is quite likely @ISO6400, also. But internally the newer Digic will push it 1.3 stops up...

 

[dash2k8]

Apart from the megapixel bump, it only looks like a minor improvement over the 5D3 on paper. Gotta have more "paper" stats to draw our attention. The 7D2 also had this problem. If anything it was under-marketed. Its specs were almost laughable for a latest-gen camera, but in practice the majority love it. Hope the same goes for these new 5Ds's.

 

[Perio]

Sometimes I don't understand the customers... wanting a High Megapixel cam but ISO409600? Haha. Of course you get ISO6400 with that small pixels...

Those small pixels give us ISO 16,000 in the 7DII.

I guess a part of the reason it goes to ISO 6400 is also to differentiate 5ds from coming 5div. If you shoot in studio or landscapes, get 5ds as you won't need higher ISO. If you need more speed and higher ISO, wait for 5div. One won't get everything in the same package

 

[wsgroves]

So as it stands right this minute, the new 5ds will not do video? I hoped the flagship would do 4k with autofocus. I was in the market for a nice 4k camcorder and was waiting to see if it would be better to just upgrade my 5d3 to a do it all new model. Looks like that will have to wait for the 5d4?

 

[Famateur]

Apart from the megapixel bump, it only looks like a minor improvement over the 5D3 on paper.

But that megapixel bump is the whole point of this camera (plus the stronger color filter for better color. That's why they called it a 5DS and not 5D Mark IV.

 

[Don Haines]

Those small pixels give us ISO 16,000 in the 7DII.

No, the Pixels of the 7DM2 are larger. Should be anything equal to a D800 (36MP).

By the way...never wondered why ISO 16000 is no real full stop in the exposure-line? I guess the cam already pushed it internally. The 7DM2 is quite likely @ISO6400, also. But internally the newer Digic will push it 1.3 stops up...

A FF with the same pixel density as the 7D2 would have 20.2*1.6*1.6 Mpixels, or 51.7Mpixels. (Actually the 7D2 sensor is a hair bigger than APSC so the crop factor is slightly smaller, perhaps 1.58?) A crop factor of 1.583 would give you a 50.6Mpixel FF camera, so my suspicion is that the pixels are the exact same size as on the 7D2.....

 

[Lee Jay]

Those small pixels give us ISO 16,000 in the 7DII.

No, the Pixels of the 7DM2 are larger.

No, 20MP * 1.6*2 = 51.2MP - about the same.

 

[overniven]

I for one am kind of excited to see what the new cameras bring. I'll hold my complaints until I see real world photos and confirmed specs. 50MP sure seems like Overkill for me, but so did 15MP when I bought my first digital SLR (T1i).

Lots of great cameras out there. Should be interesting to see where Canon goes. I've been debating about going FF for a while. More choices is always good.

Thanks for the coverage.

 

[Famateur]

Disappointments for me are...

AF system is not equal or exceeds those of the 7D Mark II
...
No mention of 4K (which to me would justify it costing beyond $3,000)

It would seem to me that the "S" in 5DS is for Studio. Why would they put a top-of-the-line fast action AF system or 4K video in a studio camera with 50MP? The rumored 61-point (41 cross-type) AF system seems like plenty for studio and landscape.

If you want full frame with the 7DII or better AF system, you'll probably need to wait for the successor of the 1DX. If you don't want to go 1-series, I'm confident the 5D Mark IV will be a lot closer to what you're looking for.

 

[Famateur]

It seems to me that Canon has abandoned us EOS1D users...such a pitty.

You're so right. Yesterday, my 1D X was awesome...today it's suddenly a piece of crap.

You know, I said the same thing about my 70D when the SL1 came out...in white. My camera is still black, and the pictures show it! :

 

[NancyP]

My G.A.S. just blew a gasket.....Existing 60D gets converted to full spectrum camera....Existing 6D keeps on doing general/ low light / astro.....possible 7D2 purchase for birding and sports.....possible Canon high-MP camera for landscapes. Want Sigma 50 Art, want 16-35 f/4 (less expensive) vs want TS-E 24 (more expensive, want 100 f/2.8L IS macro as a lighter weight option to my current 180 macro (which I love), and last but not least want a fast Big White that takes extenders - 500 f/4 or 600 f/4L IS II.

I am The Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz - if only I had a brain. I was blown away by how good the 60D was when I got it, my first non-toy digital camera. Then I was thrilled to have the 6D. I have some great lenses. My gear is so much better than I am, it is ridiculous. Basta!

I need to upgrade my brain. And my computer. And print more, and have "print of the week" posted at home and office. Spend money on photo books, seminars, trips to galleries, etc. And my one current GAS episode concerns learning to use flash effectively in nature photography (have a 580, cords, stand, am buying remote trigger, gridded snoot, mini-softbox, flag/reflector, gels, mini-reflector/diffuser (18") with a variety of covers, maybe later larger modifiers. I have been perusing the Syl Arena Speedlite handbook, a Joe McNally anecdotal book (Sketching the LIght), the gold-standard lighting text "Light Science and Magic". Time to start assigning myself some homework and learning to work a single speedlite. Then, two, then, three. (More gear purchases). The good thing is that a lot of the gear is cheap relative to lenses and bodies.

 

[wockawocka]

What's with the CR guy saying it was reported on CR first?

There was nothing on the homepage for several hours. This post was but it was found on Northlight and Canonwatch were reporting it too.

Am I missing something?

 

[Famateur]

If it's not clear to everyone by now (especially after the resolution vs. sensitivity interview), Canon appears to be segmenting their DSLR lineup to more deliberately cater to differing genres of photography:

> You have the 1DX (and successor) for the ultimate fast-action, low light, rough conditions camera.
> You'll (apparently) have a 5DS for high-detail, rich color studio/landscape work.
> You have the 5DIII (and likely a 5DIV) as the jack-of-all-trades event, portrait, wedding, video camera.
> You have the "my first full frame" 6D (and successor) with limited features but excellent image quality.
> You have the 7DII for the ultimate fast action, rough conditions camera with extra reach in lieu of top ISO.

My hunch is that (based on the philosophy behind the "X" in the 1DX moniker), we won't see any more segmentation in the 1 Series* -- at least for a while. Moving the "S" designation from the 1 Series to the 5 series seems to confirm that, to me.

Certainly, there will be some overlap in capability/needs with these genres, and those in between will be the ones to complain that the 50MP body doesn't go to a usable ISO 25,600 at 10+ frame per second, or that it doesn't do 4K with clean HDMI out, or...

It looks to me like Canon is saying, "If you want a camera for _________, get this body. If you want a camera for ______, get that body. If you need a camera that can do both, buy both bodies."




* I get that the 1DC is an exception to this. To me, the Cinema designation sets it apart in its own world. With the C-XXX dedicated video cameras and 4K likely coming to lower DSLR bodies, it would not surprise me if Canon does not make a successor to the 1DC. Who knows, though...all just fun speculation.

 

[Famateur]

My G.A.S. just blew a gasket.....Existing 60D gets converted to full spectrum camera....Existing 6D keeps on doing general/ low light / astro.....possible 7D2 purchase for birding and sports.....possible Canon high-MP camera for landscapes. Want Sigma 50 Art, want 16-35 f/4 (less expensive) vs want TS-E 24 (more expensive, want 100 f/2.8L IS macro as a lighter weight option to my current 180 macro (which I love), and last but not least want a fast Big White that takes extenders - 500 f/4 or 600 f/4L IS II.

I am The Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz - if only I had a brain. I was blown away by how good the 60D was when I got it, my first non-toy digital camera. Then I was thrilled to have the 6D. I have some great lenses. My gear is so much better than I am, it is ridiculous. Basta!

I need to upgrade my brain. And my computer. And print more, and have "print of the week" posted at home and office. Spend money on photo books, seminars, trips to galleries, etc. And my one current GAS episode concerns learning to use flash effectively in nature photography (have a 580, cords, stand, am buying remote trigger, gridded snoot, mini-softbox, flag/reflector, gels, mini-reflector/diffuser (18") with a variety of covers, maybe later larger modifiers. I have been perusing the Syl Arena Speedlite handbook, a Joe McNally anecdotal book (Sketching the LIght), the gold-standard lighting text "Light Science and Magic". Time to start assigning myself some homework and learning to work a single speedlite. Then, two, then, three. (More gear purchases). The good thing is that a lot of the gear is cheap relative to lenses and bodies.

Your ailment might single-handedly bring the global economy back to health!

Wouldn't it be great if your health insurance covered it? I might be onto something there...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Hmmmm... 5 fps... I do a lot of wildlife as well as everything else... 5fps is not quite there.... 6 is ok...

Lets see what it is like and the reviews! It is not as though i gun it all that much anyway!

I wonder if they allow it get 6fps in the 1.6x crop mode (or cheaped out and made the mirror box only 5fps capable, 5fps is quite good for the full 50MP, but it sure would be nice to get 6fps in crop mode, 5fps tends be just enough to not quite do it, although it's certainly better than 4; at the very least the crop mode would mean not wasting tons of storage space when shooting wildlife that you can't get close to which is nice).

 

[ray5]

My G.A.S. just blew a gasket.....Existing 60D gets converted to full spectrum camera....Existing 6D keeps on doing general/ low light / astro.....possible 7D2 purchase for birding and sports.....possible Canon high-MP camera for landscapes. Want Sigma 50 Art, want 16-35 f/4 (less expensive) vs want TS-E 24 (more expensive, want 100 f/2.8L IS macro as a lighter weight option to my current 180 macro (which I love), and last but not least want a fast Big White that takes extenders - 500 f/4 or 600 f/4L IS II.

I am The Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz - if only I had a brain. I was blown away by how good the 60D was when I got it, my first non-toy digital camera. Then I was thrilled to have the 6D. I have some great lenses. My gear is so much better than I am, it is ridiculous. Basta!

I need to upgrade my brain. And my computer. And print more, and have "print of the week" posted at home and office. Spend money on photo books, seminars, trips to galleries, etc. And my one current GAS episode concerns learning to use flash effectively in nature photography (have a 580, cords, stand, am buying remote trigger, gridded snoot, mini-softbox, flag/reflector, gels, mini-reflector/diffuser (18") with a variety of covers, maybe later larger modifiers. I have been perusing the Syl Arena Speedlite handbook, a Joe McNally anecdotal book (Sketching the LIght), the gold-standard lighting text "Light Science and Magic". Time to start assigning myself some homework and learning to work a single speedlite. Then, two, then, three. (More gear purchases). The good thing is that a lot of the gear is cheap relative to lenses and bodies.

I laughed so hard I fell off my chair!!! I fully agree. But that bit about upgrading the brain was pure genius. That's exactly what I think I need to do.
Cheers
Ray