Canon’s 2024 Roadmap, and the timeline surprised us [CR3]

I'm loving the 10-20 f4 lens I just recently got (even though I preordered day 1). For filters, I use Kolari ND filters. They go inside the camera body so I don't have to worry about thread size or shape of the lens. I can leave the filter in and swap lenses.
Just ordered a set of their clip-in NDs. Will be interesting to compare them to my B+W front filters (and to combine them).
 
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Eyetracking is the reason why ,after the R3 got launched, I didn't buy the the R5.
I too was impressed with the R3, not only by the eye-control AF, but also by what I think are the best ergonomics on the market. Sadly, it doesn't fit in my carrying system, the R1 won't either.
The best of both worlds, for me, would (will?) be the R5 with eyetracking AF, so, the R5 II.
And I'm d*** egoistically happy it comes ahead of the R1! :)

Do you wear glasses? If yes, this would be a huge improvement over Canon's original eye tracking system e. g. implemented in my EOS 3. Never worked with me despite several tries to calibrate it. W/o glasses it worked but I really need them, and I do not like to wear contact lenses.
 
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You're right. My thought was to phrase it like this:
"is there a third line-up of primes with F1.4 coming?", but I kind of didn't like the sentence. Therefore, I rephrased it and lost the intended meaning :eek:

Canon released the EF 85mmf/1.4 L IS in 2017 and the EF 35mm f/1.4 L II in 2015. They were the only new f/1.4 lens Canon had released since the EF 24mm f/1.4 L II in 2008. Prior to that it goes all the way back to 1998 for the original EF 35mm f/1.4 L and 1997 for the original EF 24mm f/1.4 L.

The ONLY non-L f/1.4 prime Canon ever made, the EF 50mmf/1.4, was introduced over thirty years ago in 1993. I wouldn't hold my breath for a non-L f/1.4 prime anytime soon from Canon.

The past two decades show that just because Canon releases a 24mm and 35mm in f/1.4 it doesn't mean they are going to release a "full set" of f/1.4 primes anytime soon.

It only shows that they think they can sell enough copies of certain specific lenses to make it worth the investment to design and manufacture them.

There have never been f/1.4 primes, L or otherwise, in any focal lengths other than 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, and 85mm in the EF mount. There have, up to this point six full years after the RF mount's introduction, been ZERO f/1.4 lenses in the RF mount.

If Canon introduces an RF 28mm f/1.4 lens, either L or non-L, the only thing it means is that Canon has a 28mm f/1.4 lens on the market. Nothing more about any possible future lens offerings from Canon can be inferred from that based on past history.
 
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I think it would depend on the outlet the photographer is working for.

Reuters, AP, AFP? Definitely JPEG and their photos are on the wire one minute after the shot is taken. Sports Illustrated? I can see them shooting RAW+JPEG because they are potentially shooting for magazine covers and articles where heavier editing is likely, as well as news.

Sports Illustrated as we've known it, for all practical purposes, no longer exists. Weekly publication went to bi-weekly in 2018, then to monthly in 2020.

Arena Group, who has been publishing the magazine since 2019 under a 10-year licensing agreement with Authentic Brands, who owns the rights to all SI properties, announced to their few remaining employees in March that May 2024 would be the final print issue. Since March Authentic Brands Group has revoked Arena's publishing license for missing a $3.75M payment in late 2023 and negotiated a 10-year agreement with Minute Media. Arena Group, who has been publishing the magazine since 2019, no longer has anything to do with Sports Illustrated. This ain't your classic Sports Illustrated any more, and hasn't been for over half a decade.
 
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Not just in Japan either!
Australian prices have permanently dropped as well. No return to the ~AUD6k RRP.
Currently available for AUD4588 (USD2700 ex tax)
From release at USD3900, B&H currently has standard price of USD3400 and now with USD400 discount to USD3k ie a 30% decrease but....
Canon definitely still has margin on it ie they aren't dumping it but flushing out any excess stock in the supply chain.
Perhaps Canon are reacting to the Z8 currently @ USD3800 as it would be hard to justify similar pricing even if switchers would be small.

It fits the product lifecycle curve ready for product volumes decline after cashcow/maturity phase.
All points to a replacement body soon :)

Yep, during Black Friday, refurbished R5 was selling for 2199! That was a huge discount.

still under 2500 at canon refurb now. hard to pass up.

I grabbed a refurb R5 at black friday for $2200 US....looking like a great choice. I'll have it a whole year before mkIIs are on the street, and if i decide to sell I won't lose more than a week or two worth of rental fees. I debated waiting until the II was announced, but that's when I thought it was February.

Brian

Let's play conspiracy theory for a second?

What if Canon doesn't even have that many R5s left in the pipeline?

What if Canon is dropping the price of the R5 not because they want to sell remaining inventory (which we have no way of knowing if it is "high" or "low" compared to Canon's projections/desires), but so that the price of used R5 bodies will deflate so much that potential switchers won't be able to get enough for their used R5 bodies to switch to Sony?

BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA!!!!
 
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Let's play conspiracy theory for a second?

What if Canon doesn't even have that many R5s left in the pipeline?

What if Canon is dropping the price of the R5 not because they want to sell remaining inventory (which we have no way of knowing if it is "high" or "low" compared to Canon's projections/desires), but so that the price of used R5 bodies will deflate so much that potential switchers won't be able to get enough for their used R5 bodies to switch to Sony?

BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA!!!!
Not following your "logic" here. Not much inventory then no need to sell at a discount. Selling at a significant discount both reduces revenue and margin. If you have excess inventory then that makes sense but otherwise....
Yes, it reduces current owner's asset value but it also encourages people to buy in (trade up from a R6ii or R8 etc?) or buy into Canon with great value. Some will even pick up a backup body if the price is right or combined with R7 for pixel density.
 
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Not following your "logic" here. Not much inventory then no need to sell at a discount. Selling at a significant discount both reduces revenue and margin. If you have excess inventory then that makes sense but otherwise....
Yes, it reduces current owner's asset value but it also encourages people to buy in (trade up from a R6ii or R8 etc?) or buy into Canon with great value. Some will even pick up a backup body if the price is right or combined with R7 for pixel density.

If the sale of R5 bodies has slowed to a trickle, and there aren't that many in excess inventory, then they're not really losing that much by discounting the few they are still selling another $400-500. The idea is that they are driving the used price down enough to reduce the possibility of "switchers" who then stop buying Canon lenses because they're no longer shooting with Canon bodies. So they're giving up very little on reducing the price of the R5 in order to not lose more by losing users to other platforms, taking lens sales along with them.

But the first and last lines of the post (let's play, and maniacal laughter, respectively) should have been enough to queue folks in that I was joking. Mostly. Well, that and trying to give the Sony trolls something to get mad at Canon about.
 
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With CR hedging a CR3 on this infomation, I would bet that one of the devices registered with the regulators is undeed the EOS R5 II rather than the R1. And if the R5 II has indeed been field tested and in production as remored, then its likely to be announced sooner than later. Canon has simply kept that unformation tight. As it did with the R5. Surprising everyone.

Are you kidding? The R5 was one of the most "pre-promoted" bodies in Canon's history. Both via "leaks" that were pretty obviously officially approved and via direct statements of official Canon representatives to reporters' questions at photography conventions.
 
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Neuro,

I don't recall seeing your opinion of these Kolari clip-in ND filters. If you've had a chance to use them, can you give me a brief review?
Thanks.
Took me a while to get back to this post, because I hadn't had a chance to use them yet. Installing the plate in the R8 was simple, and the filters drop in an pop out easily with the included little tool. Was very convenient to be able to combine an ND in the camera with a CPL on the front of the lens. I used both the 6- and 10-stop filters on a recent trip, the latter was at a more interesting waterfall (a 20-min hike from bottom of the gondola up to the glacier above Les Diablerets, Switzerland).

"Cascade du Dar"
Cascade du Dar.jpg
EOS R8, RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM @ 43mm, 1.5 s, f/11, ISO 100
 
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Took me a while to get back to this post, because I hadn't had a chance to use them yet. Installing the plate in the R8 was simple, and the filters drop in an pop out easily with the included little tool. Was very convenient to be able to combine an ND in the camera with a CPL on the front of the lens. I used both the 6- and 10-stop filters on a recent trip, the latter was at a more interesting waterfall (a 20-min hike from bottom of the gondola up to the glacier above Les Diablerets, Switzerland).

"Cascade du Dar"
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EOS R8, RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM @ 43mm, 1.5 s, f/11, ISO 100
Les Diablerets is a fun little town. Auberge du Post has excellent raclette (or at least did the last time I was there). Nice photo, too. ;)
 
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Took me a while to get back to this post, because I hadn't had a chance to use them yet. Installing the plate in the R8 was simple, and the filters drop in an pop out easily with the included little tool. Was very convenient to be able to combine an ND in the camera with a CPL on the front of the lens. I used both the 6- and 10-stop filters on a recent trip, the latter was at a more interesting waterfall (a 20-min hike from bottom of the gondola up to the glacier above Les Diablerets, Switzerland).

"Cascade du Dar"
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EOS R8, RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM @ 43mm, 1.5 s, f/11, ISO 100
Looks good! Thank you.
 
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Took me a while to get back to this post, because I hadn't had a chance to use them yet. Installing the plate in the R8 was simple, and the filters drop in an pop out easily with the included little tool. Was very convenient to be able to combine an ND in the camera with a CPL on the front of the lens. I used both the 6- and 10-stop filters on a recent trip, the latter was at a more interesting waterfall (a 20-min hike from bottom of the gondola up to the glacier above Les Diablerets, Switzerland).

"Cascade du Dar"
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EOS R8, RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM @ 43mm, 1.5 s, f/11, ISO 100
Regardles sof the technicalities, it is a great image!
 
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Regardles sof the technicalities, it is a great image!
It is that, but with no disrespect for neuro's excellent shot, it is really hard to take a "bad" picture in Les Diablerets. This random shot goes back to 1991 with a Minolta 9000 film camera. ;) Neuro's shot is a reminder that you need to be VERY careful skiing off of Les Diablerets.

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