Canon 60D v. Nikon D7000

[Loswr]

It might have 39 AF points but only 9 are cross type.

The 60D also has 9 cross type AF sensors.

In other words, the D7000 has an extra 30 AF sensors that you do not want to use.

The 5DII only has one cross-type AF point. Does that mean it has 8 extra selectable AF sensors and 6 extra 'invisible' AF sensors that you do not want to use, meaning it's effectively a single-AF-point, focus and recompose only camera body?

I'm just sayin'

But then, I haven't bought a 5DII mainly because it's still using the 5D's antiquated AF system, which as you point out, is not even as good as the one in the 40D (which is the same one used in the 60D).

 

[Stone]

I'm a canon guy and hate whiners as much as the next guy. I do want to observe that nikon has thrown a huge curveball at canon with the d7000 and is just daring canon to try to take a swing at it.

if the d7000 is going to retail for $1100 (that $700 figure someone threw out there is totally bogus and erroneous), I simply don't see how canon can retail the 60D at the same price. for the time being, if someone is looking to buy into an mid-range consumer cam without preexisting glass ... how can you seriously recommend the 60D?

that being said, canon and nikon have almost always done off-step major updates; I have no doubt that 2011 or 2012 is going to be wild for people interested in the bigger bodies, and I'm happy for that. my only worry is not having enough dough on hand to take advantage of the goodies canon will be dropping next year or the year after

I'll admit that I've been whining a lot more than normal, I'm even starting to annoy myself ;D

But I'm starting to see a pattern with Canon, they seem uninterested in beating the competition, just evolving their bodies in their own little world which I think is a huge mistake. They released the 7D which I still consider the king of crop bodies and I thought was a sign of the new Canon, but then they release the 1DIV which while a great body didn't break any new ground, it was more of a 1DIIIn IMO. Now they release the 60D which most ppl i've talked to give a great big yawn and it gets smacked down within a few days by the D7000. I've always looked to Canon to advance the DSLR market and I just don't see them doing it right now.

 

[martijn]

Oh these things come in waves...

I remember when I started out in DSLR-land...I was looking at all those bodies that were out there...Nikon had just released the D300-great, unfortunately too expensive for me...but their latest entry-level offering at that time was considered rather lame even by Nikon fans-ironically, it was the D60-and Canon had just sprung the 450D, which surprised everybody with it's many advanced features and great sensor...so that's the one I went for.

So now it's the other way around...never mind, the cycle will continue.

 

[caoran9238]

unfortunately, Nikon D7000

I'm a dedicated Canon user, and I really want to recommend Canon 60D, but I can't. If you are looking for a semi-pro camera, definitely the D7000. Will sell for $1500 and comes with 18-105mm lens from October. Canon sells 60D with 18-135mm at $1400. But the Nikon is much better built, and should have better focusing (speed and more points), and it is definitely worth the extra $100.

 

[scalesusa]

As a long time Canon user, at least, on paper, the D7000 is very impressive.

However, both D60 and D7000 are paper cameras right now, once they are tested and the operational quirks come out, we'll see.

Canon is obviously intending to beat the D7000 on price. Most cameras are sold thru big box stores, Best Buy, walmart, Ritz, etc. Price is the deciding factor to those who buy, so Canon may be successful. Chances are, the articulating LCD will appeal to many newbie users while the finer points will go unnoticed.

The 50d was between the D90 and the D300 and did not get much traction even though it was a excellent camera.

 

[airfang]

guys, I guess you won't be so disappointed by Canon if 60D is an upgrade for 550D (T2i), it actually could have been named 600D

Don't judge the camera by its name Nikon's been messing the users with the naming convention (even more with the announcement of D7000), and now Canon probably tries to play the same card?

 

[ELK]

guys, I guess you won't be so disappointed by Canon if 60D is an upgrade for 550D (T2i), it actually could have been named 600D

Don't judge the camera by its name Nikon's been messing the users with the naming convention (even more with the announcement of D7000), and now Canon probably tries to play the same card?

I understand your positivism, optimism and hope. But for Canon customers it's a pure money issue.
Of course, as you say, we won't be disappointed by Canon if 60D was an upgrade for 550D (T2i) named 600D, with swivel screen, without top LCD screen, same old 9 AF points, pentamirror, no-LCD top screen and announced at price of $800-850. But this new 60D Rebel costs too much and I don't think that pentaprism + LCD top screen + battery price difference cost $300.

Canon what you do with your customers is called "verarschen" in german, I can't find a close english word for it.

No, Canon, no! By no means!

 

[unruled]

only translation for verarschen I can come up with is, they fucked it up

But yeah, in all seriousness: for users with no slr history and no lenses yet: the nikon is a better choice here.

For those of us that already have canon gear, I guess either upgrade to 7d or higher, or wait a few yrs
I'l just stick with my 40d which I love.

 

[kubelik]

As a long time Canon user, at least, on paper, the D7000 is very impressive.

However, both D60 and D7000 are paper cameras right now, once they are tested and the operational quirks come out, we'll see.

Canon is obviously intending to beat the D7000 on price. Most cameras are sold thru big box stores, Best Buy, walmart, Ritz, etc. Price is the deciding factor to those who buy, so Canon may be successful. Chances are, the articulating LCD will appeal to many newbie users while the finer points will go unnoticed.

The 50d was between the D90 and the D300 and did not get much traction even though it was a excellent camera.

I'm not sure the 50D "did not get much traction" in reality; from the number of people I know that own 50Ds, it seems to have penetrated the market just fine. I don't know that you can judge the overall market reaction from the comments you see on CR or dpreview, which are usually more rabid than the general populace

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Again, the 60D was spec'ed to a certain price point. Cut it down to $900 and it's a guaranteed winner. Then there would be no need for a 2000D. Just price the 500D to $600, 550D to $750, and the 600D/Rebel T3i 60D to $900 and they're back in the game. D7K is also great news for those eyeing the 7D, I expect it to go down to $1300-$1400. 7D Mark II should be APS-H IMHO.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

There is also something kinda nasty with the D7K design, just look at the pics on DPR. It's too tall and/or narrow, even more so when seen side-by-side with the 60D, D300s. The buttons and overall look & design at the back also screams "cheap", like it's Made in Thailand or Taiwan, woops, it is made in Thailand like all the non-pro Noink bodies . Just compare it with the buttons and overall quality feel on the 7D rear, IMHO it's the best looking and feeling non-pro body right now, even better than the somewhat-dated but more expensive 5D2 body. I've also found out that the D7K has mag-alloy only on the top&bottom plates, the rest is still plastic & steel.

The AF sensor, like that on the higher Nikon bodies, is a direct rip-off of the EOS-1/EOS-3 AF area ellipse from the late '90s, they just added an add'l 6 single-axis points (45 to 51) and added an extra 8 cross-types (or 2 more in the case of the D7K) right in the middle column to that '90s Canon design. Previous Nikon bodies have that pathetic 11-pt. AF even as late as the D200/D2H/D2X models, and yet their fanbois still had the gall to claim that the non-area AF ellipse design was "faster and more accurate" than the 45-pt. area AF of the Canons (a familiar refrain, just like the "1.5x DX crop is the future! We don't need FF" prior to 2007) . Nikon still can't figure out how to make cross-type AF points that are not in the middle, nor do they have the equivalent of the triple-precision f/2.8 sensors that Canon has had for a long time.

 

[paeataa]

There is also something kinda nasty with the D7K design, just look at the pics on DPR. It's too tall and/or narrow, even more so when seen side-by-side with the 60D, D300s. The buttons and overall look & design at the back also screams "cheap", like it's Made in Thailand or Taiwan, woops, it is made in Thailand like all the non-pro Noink bodies .

I don't see why things made in Thailand need to be inferior to or look cheaper than things made somewhere else.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

No, that was just a lighthearted remark, relax. Just do a comparison between the bodies you like, first on the pics in the various sites, and later on when the models become available handle it yourself. Like ergonomics, the "feel" of bodies is a highly personal verdict. For me based on the pics the D7K just looks too tall and narrow esp. from the back, that's all. And I never liked the buttons and switchgear on the Nikon, at least on the low- & mid-range models, it just "feels" cheaply made, again, compare it with the equivalent Canons. The 7D switchgear is tops IMHO, beats even the 5D2 like I said. Not surprising since it's the newer model design.

 

[ELK]

There is also something kinda nasty with the D7K design, just look at the pics on DPR. It's too tall and/or narrow, even more so when seen side-by-side with the 60D, D300s. The buttons and overall look & design at the back also screams "cheap", like it's Made in Thailand or Taiwan, woops, it is made in Thailand like all the non-pro Noink bodies . Just compare it with the buttons and overall quality feel on the 7D rear, IMHO it's the best looking and feeling non-pro body right now, even better than the somewhat-dated but more expensive 5D2 body. I've also found out that the D7K has mag-alloy only on the top&bottom plates, the rest is still plastic & steel.

The AF sensor, like that on the higher Nikon bodies, is a direct rip-off of the EOS-1/EOS-3 AF area ellipse from the late '90s, they just added an add'l 6 single-axis points (45 to 51) and added an extra 8 cross-types (or 2 more in the case of the D7K) right in the middle column to that '90s Canon design. Previous Nikon bodies have that pathetic 11-pt. AF even as late as the D200/D2H/D2X models, and yet their fanbois still had the gall to claim that the non-area AF ellipse design was "faster and more accurate" than the 45-pt. area AF of the Canons (a familiar refrain, just like the "1.5x DX crop is the future! We don't need FF" prior to 2007) . Nikon still can't figure out how to make cross-type AF points that are not in the middle, nor do they have the equivalent of the triple-precision f/2.8 sensors that Canon has had for a long time.

Very convincing speech!

 

[Jan]

No, that was just a lighthearted remark, relax. Just do a comparison between the bodies you like, first on the pics in the various sites, and later on when the models become available handle it yourself. Like ergonomics, the "feel" of bodies is a highly personal verdict. For me based on the pics the D7K just looks too tall and narrow esp. from the back, that's all. And I never liked the buttons and switchgear on the Nikon, at least on the low- & mid-range models, it just "feels" cheaply made, again, compare it with the equivalent Canons. The 7D switchgear is tops IMHO, beats even the 5D2 like I said. Not surprising since it's the newer model design.

I think the D7000 design is pretty cool. Nikon always tends to have more bottons and wheels and other stuff for direct acces to camera control. And thats how the cameras look like.
I like it. But obviously this is very subjective.

 

[kubelik]

I'm with Jan, I think Nikon's smaller bodies are actually pretty well proportioned and fairly attractive. the larger bodies look pretty ugly, however, in comparison with Canon's smoother design vocabulary. sony's bodies are ugly as anything but their lenses are cool in a modernist sort of fashion

in the end, the aesthetics are really irrelevant in terms of what the camera can do.

 

[Loswr]

I'm with Jan, I think Nikon's smaller bodies are actually pretty well proportioned and fairly attractive. the larger bodies look pretty ugly, however, in comparison with Canon's smoother design vocabulary. sony's bodies are ugly as anything but their lenses are cool in a modernist sort of fashion

in the end, the aesthetics are really irrelevant in terms of what the camera can do.

Yes, aesthetics are irrelevant - but ergonomics are quite relevant. One reason I went with Canon for my initial dSLR purchase was the 'feel' of the camera in my hands.

Oh, and I just hated that red chevron on the front.

 

[awinphoto]

When the bodys are released, go to your local camera store... try both out... Look at the lenses, flashes, cameras... see how they fit in your hand... take some pictures on a card... take them home (the card) and do your pixel peeping... sleep on it, and then make ur decision... then go shop online and get them for hundreds cheaper than the local shop, haha.

 

[wuschba]

Altough the 60D seems not to be really available yet, the price in europe dropped from 1.200€ to about 1050€. The 7D is now at 1.200€. So I guess I will go to my local shop and take both in my hands - but only 150€ more for a 7D seems to be very attractive now if the 60D doesn't do a huge drop - because reinvesting in new batteries and sd-cards will be a thing you have to add to the price of the 60D if updating from a xxD.

I guess since I need some new lenses as well, I will Nikon give a chance here as well. I'm disappointed from Canon as well with the 60D, perhaps because the xxD is a kind of brand for a certain kind/quality/consistence of camera amd equipment: I knew I could have bought every xxD since my first (10D) without even thinking about another modell or Nikon, and wouldn't be disappointed - even if it's just that I can reuse all the stuff like batteries you spent a lot of extra-money on.
Now Canon didn't fullfill this expectations this time and I kind of feel abandoned by a company we all spend a lot or money on. Of course this is subjective and of course I could buy a 7D - but it leaves a kind of bad taste here. It's a pity no one from Canon comes here and talks to us - other companies do search the contact to their customers in the www.

Are already test-images available for the D7000 to compare them with 7D and 60D?

 

[awinphoto]

Altough the 60D seems not to be really available yet, the price in europe dropped from 1.200€ to about 1050€. The 7D is now at 1.200€. So I guess I will go to my local shop and take both in my hands - but only 150€ more for a 7D seems to be very attractive now if the 60D doesn't do a huge drop - because reinvesting in new batteries and sd-cards will be a thing you have to add to the price of the 60D if updating from a xxD.

I guess since I need some new lenses as well, I will Nikon give a chance here as well. I'm disappointed from Canon as well with the 60D, perhaps because the xxD is a kind of brand for a certain kind/quality/consistence of camera amd equipment: I knew I could have bought every xxD since my first (10D) without even thinking about another modell or Nikon, and wouldn't be disappointed - even if it's just that I can reuse all the stuff like batteries you spent a lot of extra-money on.
Now Canon didn't fullfill this expectations this time and I kind of feel abandoned by a company we all spend a lot or money on. Of course this is subjective and of course I could buy a 7D - but it leaves a kind of bad taste here. It's a pity no one from Canon comes here and talks to us - other companies do search the contact to their customers in the www.

Are already test-images available for the D7000 to compare them with 7D and 60D?

Canon does gauge their customers, however they gauge the CPS customers who are their top tiers... You can also sign up for updates through their website and every blue moon they also send survey emails out... You can also shoot them an email through their website... There are ways to get your opinions out there, you just need to look for them.