Canon 7D mk ii or Canon 5D mk iii which is better all around camera?

[Don Haines]

Let's try this, then...to have the 5DIII directly geotag images requires you to buy a Canon accessory that must attach to the hotshoe (precluding use of an E-TTL flash) or attach via a cable (compromising the weather sealing); the 1D X does not.

Come on now Neuro..... You know the 5D3 isn't really weathersealed...

The weathersealing is one of the big advantages the 1DX (and 7D2) have over the rest of the lineup...

 

[FTb-n]

A 70d has advantages over the big brother that will definitely matter to some: size, weight, swivel screen, touch screen, wifi, right hand-only control, to name those who come to my mind right now...

I forgot about the LCD and wifi features of the 70D -- trade-offs for better weather sealing and a more rugged body of the 7D2.

To be fair, the SL1 also deviates the linear path with its unique benefit of its small size.

 

[Marsu42]

To be fair, the SL1 also deviates the linear path with its unique benefit of its small size.

Imho, the path isn't the path no more - with the arrival of iphones and mirrorless people realizing you don't need to carry 5kg of weight anymore to take some nice shots for the family album. I predict in the future, we'll see a much more differentiated Canon lineup than the "more expensive is bigger is better".

I forgot about the LCD and wifi features of the 70D -- trade-offs for better weather sealing and a more rugged body of the 7D2.

I'm still convinced that if humankind can put a man on the moon, it can produce a sealed swivel screen. Imho it's much more likely it's not on "pro" cameras simply because it has a flimsy "gadget" appeal and contradicts marketing of a real man's camera like 5d3+

 

[StudentOfLight]

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Surprisingly crop is very close to FF. I am expecting little bigger gap. Not sure, but crop and FF pics are not taken from same distance from subject. Crop is further to subject than FF which puts them disadvantage in this test. Brian 70D produced lines little thicker than 7D2 from the same comparison tool. Are there any significant differences between 70D and 7D2 in terms of image quality for simple end user. They felt same in TDP comparison tool here and DPReview comparison tool.
Thanks

The only reason the crop sensor image looks reasonably close is because the 200f/2 is an outstanding lens. If you put a mediocre FF lens on crop it will look considerably softer than on a FF body. Full frame lenses with "poor corner performance" could possibly produce a more detailed image on crop if they are extremely sharp in the centre, i.e. if the lens significantly "out-resolves" the full frame sensor in the APS-C "image-window". A crop sensor would presumably have more pixel density to take advantage of such extra potential resolving power.

 

[FTb-n]

I'm still convinced that if humankind can put a man on the moon, it can produce a sealed swivel screen. Imho it's much more likely it's not on "pro" cameras simply because it has a flimsy "gadget" appeal and contradicts marketing of a real man's camera like 5d3+

I agree that weather sealing a swivel screen shouldn't be an issue. The biggest weakness of the 5D3 in the sealing department is the mode dial. I would think a swivel screen could be designed with sealing that matches that of the dial.

I have a 60D and like its swivel screen. But, I get paranoid whenever I hand it to my kids for fear breaking the thing off in an absentminded moment. Okay, in some situations I'm afraid that I might break it.

My bet is that Canon doesn't include the swivel screen on its pro bodies for several reasons:

1. Pros aren't demanding it.
2. Pros are more likely to use and abuse their gear. Some, because they don't pay for it and there are risks considered to be reasonable for a given shot. Others because they often shoot in demanding situations where things happen quickly and there's little time to be as careful about a swivel screen as a casual user would be.
3. Perhaps they think they are doing pros a favor by not adding an appendage to the body that will likely increase the risk of rendering a body useless during a critical shoot.
4. They want to keep their reliability stats for pro bodies as high as possible. Any added appendage like a swivel screen in the hands of photographers who are most demanding of their gear is inviting breakage that will result in a marked increase in pro-grade bodies delivered to Canon for repair. Even if it the user's fault, they probably don't want to see this.

[By "pros", I'll include all photographers who demand the most out of their gear and use it in demanding situations.]

But, I won't belittle the swivel screen. I think it can be a valuable tool. Still, I'm more confident that my 5D3's will survive a challenging shoot in a crowded event because there is absolutely zero opportunity for the LCD to break off. Even if I never open it, there's no chance that the screen will inadvertently open or some kid (who may or may not be related to me ) will get grabby and open it at the wrong time.

 

[Marsu42]

[...] argh, deleted post instead of replying, that'll tech me [..]

 

[Loswr]

1. Pros aren't demanding it.

Change that to: The pros that are left with Canon aren't demanding it anymore.

Yep, we shouldn't include all the pros who switched to a D810 or D4s mainly to get an articulating screen. How many pros did that? :

 

[Marsu42]

1. Pros aren't demanding it.

Change that to: The pros that are left with Canon aren't demanding it anymore.
[...]Those who worry have gotten a real camcoder for video by now[...]

Yep, we shouldn't include all the pros who switched to a D810 or D4s mainly to get an articulating screen. How many pros did that? :

Neuro, please do try to read whole posts before firing up your "Haaarrrr, those Nikon trolls are everywhere" reply engine, will you? This paranoia reminds me of a particular party in my country seeing commies everywhere, back in the days...

Edit: Well, you cannot read my op anymore because I just managed to delete it by accident (modify instead of quote), but the sentence above was in it and I didn't even mention Nikon