Canon aiming for a $799 full-frame camera? [CR2]

stevelee

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On a related note - The camera on my iPhone has now become the main reason I upgrade my iPhone. It has caught up to the Canon M and gives me 4K video unlike my M5.
Yes, for a lot of folks, the camera is the reason to upgrade the phone. No matter what processor they put in the phone, you are not going to talk faster. When I want a better camera, I buy a better camera. When most folks want a better camera, they buy a new phone.

My friend in Oklahoma has taken really nice panoramas with his iPhone. I recently printed out three of them for him on roll paper. Two of them were of sunsets, one of Rome from the Palatine hill, and one including the Alhambra. They presented extra challenges to me because of the differences between light and dark by my not having Raw files to work with. But I think I did rather well editing them for printing.
 
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stevelee

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Here is a reduced version of the Roma panorama. It printed out at 22.2" long and 12" wide. The other two were 44" long, the longest my printer will allow.

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tomsop

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If an iPhone suits your needs, then you shouldn't buy a dedicated camera. Also, if an iPhone suits your needs, you shouldn't waste your time posting to this forum. And, yes, I agree that the typical consumer is probably never going to buy a camera unless it can send text messages. It seems like no one under the age of 30 even uses phones for calls these days, mostly texting and sharing pictures on social media.
The reason I am on this forum is because I have a lot of M lenses and I am still holding out hope that they come out with a better camera with IBIS and 4K and a viewfinder that will be a step up from the m6 mark ii. I guarantee the IPhone 13 will come out before Canon releases another M - if ever. Not sure what to do - I am open to suggestions as long as it is within reasonable orbit price wise of my investment into the M system. Whatever I have to do I probably have to start all over and not sure where to go.
 

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The reason I am on this forum is because I have a lot of M lenses and I am still holding out hope that they come out with a better camera with IBIS and 4K and a viewfinder that will be a step up from the m6 mark ii. I guarantee the IPhone 13 will come out before Canon releases another M - if ever. Not sure what to do - I am open to suggestions as long as it is within reasonable orbit price wise of my investment into the M system. Whatever I have to do I probably have to start all over and not sure where to go.
If you don't need/want a new camera now, I would say sit tight. Buying now means paying a pandemic premium. Many on this forum do not see Canon abandoning the M line, as it is still their best selling mirrorless cameras. It may take another year, but sooner or later we'll all have a better idea of where Canon is going and supply will have caught up with demand, so we can make more informed decisions. Right now, everyone who is buying is just blindly gambling (myself included).
 

cayenne

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The reason I am on this forum is because I have a lot of M lenses and I am still holding out hope that they come out with a better camera with IBIS and 4K and a viewfinder that will be a step up from the m6 mark ii. I guarantee the IPhone 13 will come out before Canon releases another M - if ever. Not sure what to do - I am open to suggestions as long as it is within reasonable orbit price wise of my investment into the M system. Whatever I have to do I probably have to start all over and not sure where to go.
If you're wanting to go with a smaller camera body and smaller but high quality lenses, I'd seriously recommend the Fuji X line of cameras.

I'm into rangefinder cameras lately and honestly, I may consider adding their Xpro-3 to my stable....just so great for travel, etc.

Leica is $$$$, but if you had the means, their small bodies, with FF sensors and amazing lenses (even 3rd party are great)...that might work for you.

I love my Canon gear and intend to have something Canon over time, but I"m not stuck on one and only one brand...

Heck, I'm not even stuck to digital, I'm really having fun with medium format film, etc....panoramic cameras, etc.

HTH,
C
 

mdcmdcmdc

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The reason I am on this forum is because I have a lot of M lenses and I am still holding out hope that they come out with a better camera with IBIS and 4K and a viewfinder that will be a step up from the m6 mark ii. I guarantee the IPhone 13 will come out before Canon releases another M - if ever. Not sure what to do - I am open to suggestions as long as it is within reasonable orbit price wise of my investment into the M system. Whatever I have to do I probably have to start all over and not sure where to go.
After reading this, your earlier "death of Canon" post makes more sense.

Personally, I would be very surprised if an $800 full frame Canon body had IBIS. The two most likely kit lenses for it (RF 24-105 STM and RF 24-240 USM) both have IS, and I expect Canon wants to steer folks who use higher-end glass without IS toward the R6.

On the other hand, an $800 FF body with uncropped 4K could be a big hit with the vlogging crowd. But Canon would need to give it enough horsepower to read out the full sensor and bin the pixels in real time at 30 fps (at least). That affects cost, battery life, and heat dissipation.

While I love my M5 and want to see the M series continue to grow, I don't expect to see IBIS in a future M body. All of the EF-M lenses have IS except the 22 and 32 mm primes, and I'm willing to bet that most M users are perfectly happy with the kit zooms.
 

mdcmdcmdc

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If you're wanting to go with a smaller camera body and smaller but high quality lenses, I'd seriously recommend the Fuji X line of cameras.

I'm into rangefinder cameras lately and honestly, I may consider adding their Xpro-3 to my stable....just so great for travel, etc.

Leica is $$$$, but if you had the means, their small bodies, with FF sensors and amazing lenses (even 3rd party are great)...that might work for you.

I love my Canon gear and intend to have something Canon over time, but I"m not stuck on one and only one brand...

Heck, I'm not even stuck to digital, I'm really having fun with medium format film, etc....panoramic cameras, etc.

HTH,
C
The Fuji X-S10 is $999 and has IBIS and 4K (not sure if it's cropped or not). But unfortunately, it won't preserve @tomsop 's investment in EF-M lenses.
 

Quirkz

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As I've been saying for years, I would absolutely love a full frame version of the inexpensive Canon M6. No need for a 1960s EVF--no real person needs that in 2021, providing a decent screen is available. This would easily cut costs down. Canon PLEASE make this as TINY as possible. If you can make it the size of an M6, double bravo. If it's super slightly bigger than an M6, then single bravo.

I will purchase for $799 or less. Do it!
So would I... but... man, the lenses would just be so large if wouldn't compete with the M line for tiny pack portability.
When I got the RP+35mm, I stopped using my M & fuji X-E3 cameras as much, But they still had a place when just wanted to slip a better-than-cellphone camera in to a jacket pocket.