Canon Announcements on April 23, 2013? [CR2]

[Deleted member 7828]

Oh well basically the same sensor again.

Yeah but we knew that... They don't want to undermine the 7d2.

I fully expect the 70D will be a refreshed 7D: "new" sensor with on-chip AF, built on the same process. Better sealing than 60D, somewhere in the 6-8fps range, and decent (maybe 7D) AF. Given that 7Ds now go for 1300ish new, I'd think that 7d specs would put the 70d right where they want it in the lineup. That sets them up well for a 7d2 to be a better camera, that they can charge accordingly for.

Yes, all indications seem to point to the prospective 70D being to the 7D what the 6D was to the old 5D II - a sort of modernized version of the same camera with the same specs and same features, giving and taking a few small items.

 

[wickidwombat]

What is Canon doing?

Nothing. What a joke of a company.

What is Canon doing? Delivering value to their shareholders by consistently selling more cameras than their competitors. If that trend continues, the innovations of other manufacturers may become irrelevant.

or just get bought by canon since they will have actual money... as opposed to a monster credit card bill
but now i'm splitting hairs

 

[ddashti]

This will probably turn out to be true.
7D Mark II will definitely have to wait...

 

[DarkKnightNine]

Pay close attention to the new sensor in the Canon EOS SL1 as far as performance goes. We’re told this sensor will appear in the EOS 70D, but not the EOS 7D Mark II.

Ok, Canon has just mutilated the potential of the 70D to sell well.

And expect reviews of the camera everywhere to widely condemn Canon for this continued delivery of left overs from last week microwaved and presented as fine dining.

lol. Love your analogy.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

Even I could beat Usain Bolt if he stands still on the track and just lately Canon seem to be standing still which leaves the chance for others to beat them.

problem is, even when canon moves slow .. no other company is beating it on sales or profit.

This is sad but true. I wish they were losing money like water to motivate them to do better. I mean really, the 600EX-RT was a stroke genius, why haven't they continued that kind of innovation through the rest of their line? It makes no sense at all. Canon has so much going for them e.g. the menu system; top class, the camera body ergonomics; can't be beat, excellent optics, so why can't they get their act together and design better sensors and give us more features for our hard earned bucks to keep them, as well as the photographers who use their gear competitive? People tend to forget that aspect of the equation. We as professionals have a lot invested in the gear we choose. If other photogs are shooting with better gear, it gives them a slight edge. In the competitive market for photogs, even a slight edge can mean all the difference in the world. If someone can deliver a more finely detailed image in the same low light conditions, they have an edge. Would you rather slice with a butcher's knife or a finely crafted katana? Sure both will get the job done, but I'd rather use the tool that lets me get it done more efficiently and perhaps with finer detail.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

I don't think many people choose a camera based on the company's sales or profit - have yet to see that included on the camera's spec sheet....................

+1000
Well said.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

If I were to guess, Canon doesn't make or market every one of their cameras to every consumer. They probably don't expect a 60D user to replace their camera with a 70D. If anything, a 60D user should be happy the advancements are only "minor" from one body to the next. I'm happy to not be tempted to spend more money. Why would you wan to upgrade every release? They "need" to make the annual upgrades to keep with their tech advancements.

But that is exactly the reason that has most people on this forum up in arms, they AREN'T keeping up with advancements in new technology, they are simply rereleasing the same camera over and over again in different configurations. The average consumer may not notice or even care, but we dedicated shooters and die hard Canon fans do!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

This will probably turn out to be true.
7D Mark II will definitely have to wait...

Probably so. If they had the new sensor line ready we'd probably see the 7D2 and high MP cam now (honestly, I hope it even ready by the time for those late this year). Then can come out with an 80D early next year with the new line sensor and get some to double dip.

 

[mkunert]

stop announcing any stupid news from canon....really rumors at all..

Says the fool complaining about rumors being posted on a website called CanonRumors.

 

[Loswr]

But that is exactly the reason that has most people on this forum up in arms, they AREN'T keeping up with advancements in new technology, they are simply rereleasing the same camera over and over again in different configurations. The average consumer may not notice or even care, but we dedicated shooters and die hard Canon fans do!

Fine. But, 'we dedicated shooters and die hard Canon fans' make up an infinitesimal fraction of their market. The vast majority of dSLR buyers are 'average consumers'.

 

[ksagomonyants]

Guys, I'll probably ask a very naive and somewhat a silly question... What exactly is the difference between different generations of Canon sensors? I mean, let's say Canon 5d ii and iii share the same sensor (correct?) however 5d iii overall has a better signal/noise ratio. That means that the improvements in the image quality do not necessarily require a new sensor technology? So, why do we all want Canon to have a new generation of sensors in their DSLR? Just curios

 

[jarrieta]

they are a market leader because they once deserved it, they could and should be running away with it not merely just a bit ahead

Sad but true. Looking at the Amazon top 10 sellers, there are 6 Canons, 4 of which are Rebels. So Canon must be pretty happy despite incremental feature upgrades the Rebels sell great. I still have the T2i and since I just do portraits and some office events I really didn't feel there are enough improvement to "upgrade" to any of the other crop bodies. I really don't mind if they don't get more megapixels but better DR and ISO performance would be most welcome if the 70d gets the same 18mp count. So hoping the 70d would be worth it.

 

[Loswr]

But that is exactly the reason that has most people on this forum up in arms, they AREN'T keeping up with advancements in new technology, they are simply rereleasing the same camera over and over again in different configurations. The average consumer may not notice or even care, but we dedicated shooters and die hard Canon fans do!

Fine. But, 'we dedicated shooters and die hard Canon fans' make up an infinitesimal fraction of their market. The vast majority of dSLR buyers are 'average consumers'.

And last week one of them came to me for advice on which camera to buy, saying all their friends had Canon. My recommendation? Nikon, followed by showing him DxO's evaluation of the Canon vs Nikon cameras and telling him to visit some stores and try them both. He bought Nikon. I just can't in all honesty recommend Canon DSLRs to anyone.

Did you call Canon and tell them your story? I'm sure it would have a profound impact on their corporate strategy. :

FWIW (which, frankly, is just about the same as your story is worth), I can in all honesty recommend Canon dSLRs to people, because 1) there's much more to camera performance than DxO measures, 2) lenses are far more important than bodies and Canon has the upper hand there.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I fell for the hype and bought a Nikon D800. It was a nice camera, but, the 24-70mm G. Nikon's top of the line lens was a disaster. Even now, only a very few lenses can get the best of the D800, and, they are third party lenses, or prime lenses.
The big problem came with the lack of performance in extreme low light. It wasn't bad, just a little worse than the 5D MK III. Live View was another shortcoming, a poor implementation.

Since the big bucks is investments in lenses, I decided that paying more for less was not really the way to go.

I likely would never consider getting a nother high mp body unless it actually delivers enough more when coupled with a lens..

 

[ewg963]

BOOOORING ... don't care at all for a 70D. Would be much more interested in a hi-end Canon mirrorless .. EOS-M "done right" ...

I have to agree with this. A 70D is just another cropster.

I hope the announcement is about the long awaited high MP / high DR body, or a bunch of new lenses. Like the 35L II, 50L II, 50 1.4 II, 135L II, 14-24L, e.t.c.

+1000

 

[M.ST]

There will be no big megapixel announcement in april.

First Canon has to replace some lenses like the EF 16-35 II L, the EF 17-40 L ...

Both lenses don´t work pretty with the big megapixel prototypes.

 

[wickidwombat]

There will be no big megapixel announcement in april.

First Canon has to replace some lenses like the EF 16-35 II L, the EF 17-40 L ...

Both lenses don´t work pretty with the big megapixel prototypes.

i'd be interested in the new 16-35 !

 

[David Hull]

Guys, I'll probably ask a very naive and somewhat a silly question... What exactly is the difference between different generations of Canon sensors? I mean, let's say Canon 5d ii and iii share the same sensor (correct?) however 5d iii overall has a better signal/noise ratio. That means that the improvements in the image quality do not necessarily require a new sensor technology? So, why do we all want Canon to have a new generation of sensors in their DSLR? Just curios

It is nothing but a bunch of gearhead whiners crying because "theirs" ain't the biggest this week. Ask yourself this: have you ever been able to walk through a gallery and point out which camera shot which photo? If the stuff was as bad as some of these idiots claim, nobody would use it.

Something else you might want to ask yourself: If this Sony technology is such a "game changer" why hasn't the game changed? Where are the stunning examples of what can be done? Why do we continue to see shots of the back of lens caps, mediocre landscape shots with shadows lifted 5 stops just to prove a point? Where are the game changing photographs from this so-called game changing technology?

If this represents such a huge advance in the state of the art of making art, where the heck is the art? Galeries won't hang your DxO curves.

 

[AG]

Looks like BMCC and Sony are the first out of the gates with announcements.

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10004/sony-show-cinema-eos-style-future-camera-range-based-around-full-frame-dslrs

Canon had better not disappoint.
If not any "new" tech at least a price drop to match the competition?

 

[archiea]

I predict the new iPad 5!!!!!

Whoops, wrong company!!!!

Seriously, what's wrong with new 16-35mm? We need a Mark iii already?