Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600

[AnselA]

The cameras/lenses and software now available are, in many cases, way beyond the capabilities, training and talent of most photographers purchasing them. I say this as someone that can be included in that group and that was weened on 120mm and 35mm film with a variety of cameras (Kodak, Rollei, Minolta, Olympus, Nikon, Canon and now both Nikon and Canon DSLRs). The capabilities of digital are outstanding and I can say I have improved the most since I bought my first Nikon digital and moved through to where I am today. The greatest opportunities today lie in being able to experiment at little or no additional cost and to easily do "darkroom" work that would have required tens of years of experience and an incredible time commitment in the past. With the proper feedback and some dedication you can produce work that was only possible to professionals. That said, much of what is shared here as information, facts or analysis is really just polished forms of emotions run wild or fears writ large. Even if you have an investment in a lot of equipment nothing Canon has done recently will ruin you or humiliate you personally or professionally. Only the most anal among will be forced to change to Nikon because Canon was just inadequate. They may choose for some feature(s) that they want but rarely is it because they just can't do their work.

This constant attacking of Canon is somewhat sad and I agree heartily with briansquibb. The Canon product line reflects where they want to develop the business of still and video photography. The cameras/lenses we have to choose from are outstanding and although not the very best in every dimension, measurement or price they are quite competitive and produce great results. We are not made to buy or be loyal but can choose to do so if the value proposition is right. We can choose otherwise without attacking the firm, their integrity or intelligence. They are very successful by any means (just look at the sidelines at any pro sporting event or just walk the streets of any world city to see). From point and shoots of every shape and color to the forthcoming Canon EOS-1D X it is an amazing series of products for every skill set.

I owned a Nikon DSLR kit and now I shoot with Canon. I was happy then and I am happy now. I spend my energy learning away to get better every time I go out and, hopefully, to do the equipment I own justice.

 

[awinphoto]

Marsu, you're missing the point.

First off, I'd never call anybody an anything-fanboy because it doesn't help. In extreme cases, I'd point out that one's heavy investment in equipment might produce a somewhat biased point of view, but I didn't do this in this case.

But to post crying like a crybaby "whaaaa the camera of my dreams is out of my price range and budget and i'm so disappointed that i may jump to nikon"... who cares?

For the same reason stated above, I hardly think calling me a "crybaby" is appropriate. I perfectly understand the "tool" point of view of pro photogs, and I'm trying to get some money out of this sooner or later, to. Me pointing out that I'm not sure in which system to invest in seems like a perfectly valid topic for a photography forum, and you as a "pro" should understand this very well. And I'm happy to hear different helpful opinions on why Canon is a sound system to get - sadly, yours last statement doesn't qualify.

Generally, there are enough people who like to reason about Canon's upcoming stuff, competition and strategy - this is Canon *rumors*, you know? But please feel free to not care. In this case, there is always the option to just ignore threads like "Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600".

I wasn't referring to you as a crybaby, but more to the person i was originally referring to in the very beginning, cliffwang who threw out there that he wishes to switch to nikon, but probably cant and how disappointed he was in canon (for not providing a camera he could afford/aspire for). I was not referring to you in particular but more of a blanket statement to all those who do nothing but throw out idle threats "i'm switching to nikon because i'm throwing a hissy fit because I cant afford x camera and I dont like where canon is going........." Each statement in itself is valid and every photographer, pro or not, has to justify purchases, whether its to shareholders, to a spouse, to a bank, or even to themselves. It's been 2 full months since the 5d3 has been for sale, more than that since it was announced... We've heard every excuse, valid or not, on why someone would, why someone wouldn't, and why they couldn't buy this camera. Buy it, dont buy it, save up and or wait for rebates, or find another camera/brand/whatever to suit your needs... But to still be on here over 2 months later humming and hawing over the same thing we were 2 months ago... It just feels like the saying, crap or get off the pot. I get the feeling that people posting forum threads like these are simply phishing for reaction with no real point or purpose sitting back laughing their butts off on the chaos that is to follow. Its getting old.

 

[ScottyP]

Instead of getting pissed off when we see a new Nikon that is better and/or cheaper than comparable Canon gear, we should be happy. It means that Canon will have to respond (albeit not as instantaneously as you might wish) by lowering prices or improving cameras or both.

Without Nikon around, Canon would not be as good as it is now, and vice-versa. I also hope Sony cameras continue to improve and threaten/challenge Canon. Also Panasonic and all the other "also-rans". Competition gives better products at lower prices. The worst thing in the world, frankly, would be to see Nikon or Sony crater and bow out of the DSLR market. A monopoly Canon would be a very bad thing for quality and value and inovation.

 

[cliffwang]

Bottom line is:

If you dont like the offering dont buy it
If you dont like the offering it isn't the manufacturers fault
If enough people dont like the offerings then the manufacturers will offer something else or go bust

+100

I think a lot of the complainers are more into the toys, tech, comparing specs & reading charts. They need the higher ISO IQ and improved dynamic range to photograph the back of their lens cap and brick walls.

It's a shame how this forum has degraded so quickly, it used to be a place to share in a positive way.

The big problem here is too many Canon fans or employees trying to tell Canon is always right.

1. People have to have good skills to use cameras.
2. People cannot complain the product you would like buy because that's against your choice.
3. The lack of features are no problem because that's the company I like.
4. Too many lenses to switch to another company. Here we are talking about CAMERAS, not lenses.
5. Many resources from other websites are wrong because they don't know Canon.
6. Anything against Canon is wrong.

A very interesting forum.

 

[AndysRollei]

The big problem here is too many Canon fans or employees trying to tell Canon is always right.

1. People have to have good skills to use cameras.
2. People cannot complain the product you would like buy because that's against your choice.
3. The lack of features are no problem because that's the company I like.
4. Too many lenses to switch to another company. Here we are talking about CAMERAS, not lenses.
5. Many resources from other websites are wrong because they don't know Canon.
6. Anything against Canon is wrong.

A very interesting forum.

Kinda like

1. The Captain is always right.
2. If the Captain is wrong, refer to rule number 1.

Andy

 

[briansquibb]

The big problem here is too many Canon fans or employees trying to tell Canon is always right.

1. People have to have good skills to use cameras.
2. People cannot complain the product you would like buy because that's against your choice.
3. The lack of features are no problem because that's the company I like.
4. Too many lenses to switch to another company. Here we are talking about CAMERAS, not lenses.
5. Many resources from other websites are wrong because they don't know Canon.
6. Anything against Canon is wrong.

This site is for users interested in Canon equipment, not for people to spread the word about how good Nikon a camera in comparison to Canon's camera - especially one that is only rumoured.

Having slagged off Canon, now you are slagging off the users on this forum. Wow

1. People on this forum are from noobs to top pros where help is freely given and information willingly exchanged.
2. People can choose whatever camera they want and give the reason they chose the camera they bought.
3. The lack of features maybe the reason people didn't buy the offering not a reason to slag of Canon.
4. Too many lenses to switch to another company may be a reason that the budget stops us switching
5. Many resources from other websites biased against Canon and some are biased towards Canon
6. Anything defammatory against Canon is stupid if it is just your point of view - see 3.

 

[Kernuak]

The point is, many of the people criticising the 5D MkIII and lauding the D800 (and even the currently mythical D600) haven't used either. It's like me saying that Lamborghini's are better than Ferrari's, I haven't driven either and am never likely to. I have used the 5D MkIII and was impressed, but I haven't tried the D800, although I'm sure I'd also be impressed with that.
A lot of it is down to what features you as a photographer need. If you need high resolution, then get the D800 (if you can afford to switch), if like me, low light performance and faster frame rate is more important, then go for the 5D MkIII. To keep on going over the same ground, griping about the price and supposed quality of one camera over the other, especially when you haven't even tried them is pretty pointless and eventually with any luck, most people will stop listening. Perhaps it would be an idea for some people to look at the photos in the gallery section, rather than complain about how other cameras are lacking something. There's even a thread showing what cheap equipment can achieve, with much lower specs than either the 5D MkIII or D800.

 

[UrbanVoyeur]

The big problem here is too many Canon fans or employees trying to tell Canon is always right.

So true.

 

[cliffwang]

This site is for users interested in Canon equipment, not for people to spread the word about how good Nikon a camera in comparison to Canon's camera - especially one that is only rumoured.

Having slagged off Canon, now you are slagging off the users on this forum. Wow

1. People on this forum are from noobs to top pros where help is freely given and information willingly exchanged.
2. People can choose whatever camera they want and give the reason they chose the camera they bought.
3. The lack of features maybe the reason people didn't buy the offering not a reason to slag of Canon.
4. Too many lenses to switch to another company may be a reason that the budget stops us switching
5. Many resources from other websites biased against Canon and some are biased towards Canon
6. Anything defammatory against Canon is stupid if it is just your point of view - see 3.

Sounds like true Canon fanboy or employee!
Who rule this site cannot talk about how good Nikon is? That's the way to push Canon making better products for us.
Slagging off the users here? I feel someone did first, not me.
1. People here are sharing their experiences, feeling, and ideas for anything about/related Canon. Here is not for ONLY PROs. Everyone has right to post here.
2. People are sharing what they like and dislike of a camera related to Canon.
3. Many non-PROs are still using their 5D2, not upgrading to 5D3 because of many reasons including features, price, and emotional thing.
4. I agree that many people may not switch to another camera company because of budget. However, that shouldn't be the reason to against other good cameras.
5. We should appreciate Canon and other camera companies making better and better for us. We shouldn't against some companies because they are not on our side, right.
6. Please don't make yourself like that.

 

[Canon-F1]

I think a lot of the complainers are more into the toys, tech, comparing specs & reading charts. They need the higher ISO IQ and improved dynamic range to photograph the back of their lens cap and brick walls.

It's a shame how this forum has degraded so quickly, it used to be a place to share in a positive way.

oh please spare us that sermon..

if im going to buy a NEW camera i want the BEST i can get for my MONEY.. not something that is GOOD ENOUGH.

that´s human nature.

and im not some fanboy that does not see or say when nikon has a good/better product.

and the D600 looks like a great product on paper... we will see.

This site is for users interested in Canon equipment, not for people to spread the word about how good Nikon a camera in comparison to Canon's camera - especially one that is only rumoured.

well this site (especially the third party forum) is for what users are intersted in.. and suprise suprise that is maybe something different then you are interested in. ;D

 

[kazeye]

Sounds like a nice camera in theory, even if it does get produced good luck getting it in the next 5 years once you pre-order it with all of Nikon's production problems.

 

[Canon-F1]

In this case, there is always the option to just ignore threads like "Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600".

I think in this case the best option would have been to post this thread on a more general photographic forum.

are you running for a mod job?

this is the third party forum and i clearly see his wish for such a product from canon... if you don´t want to read about nikon or have a nikonphobie.. don´t read this forum.

 

[BobSanderson]

cliffwang - I am totally sold on your trail of tears and so departure is the only honorable thing left ...here are some links to get you warmed up on the Nikon flaws:


http://www.petapixel.com/2012/05/04/nikon-offers-temporary-fix-for-d4d800-lock-up-issue/
http://fstoppers.com/news-nikon-d800-has-confirmed-focusview-finder-issues
http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=5517

 

[V8Beast]

If Nikon now doubles that up with a D600 at around 1.5k and if its sensor also creams the 5D3 - which I fully expect - than Canon will indeed "be toast" in the all-important non-pro, photo-enthusiast segment of the market. That is us, the guys who buy by far the largest share of higher-end, high-margin lenses and speedlites, as well as future cameras.

How do you know that the "non-pro, photo-enthusiasts segment of the market" are "the guys who buy by far the largest share of higher-end, high-margin lenses and speedlites." I'm curious is you have any statistics that backs up your claim, or if it's pure speculation. If I interpret your statement correctly, then it sounds like you think that it's hobbyists that purchase expensive L-series lenses and accessories in the greatest quantities?

Most entry-level SLR buyers I come across stick with Rebels, xxDs, and cheap kit lenses. Sure, there are lots of "non-pro, photo-enthusiasts" that have very nice bodies and pro-grade lenses on the internet, but do you really think the internet is a true representation of overall market demographics?

 

[briansquibb]

In this case, there is always the option to just ignore threads like "Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600".

I think in this case the best option would have been to post this thread on a more general photographic forum.

are you running for a mod job?

this is the third party forum and i clearly see his wish for such a product from canon... if you don´t want to read about nikon or have a nikonphobie.. don´t read this forum.

If I want to read about Nikon I go to Nikon Rumours. I dont come to Canon Rumours to listen to the Nikon Fanboys tell me what a poor job Canon are doing.

 

[briansquibb]

Sounds like true Canon fanboy or employee!

Oh the ultimate insult

 

[sheedoe]

This is a rumor...you might not see a Nikon like that either.

I bet you that the rumor is pretty close to being true, and it'll ship before the 1D X is shipped in mass quantities to the general public.

And when will they ship the D800 in mass quantities? lol

 

[cliffwang]

cliffwang - I am totally sold on your trail of tears and so departure is the only honorable thing left ...here are some links to get you warmed up on the Nikon flaws:


http://www.petapixel.com/2012/05/04/nikon-offers-temporary-fix-for-d4d800-lock-up-issue/
http://fstoppers.com/news-nikon-d800-has-confirmed-focusview-finder-issues
http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=5517

Thanks for the links. Just took a look of those posts. Looks Nikon need to fix some problems in their new firmware. I am happy with my 5D2 and actually haven't decided to switch to D800 yet. If D600 rumor is true, that might be the most interesting one for me. 39 AF points / under 2000 is what perfect for me. I hope Canon will have similar model with similar price soon. I guess I need more time to study Nikon cameras, so I still have a lot of time to make my finial decision.

 

[UrbanVoyeur]

How do you know that the "non-pro, photo-enthusiasts segment of the market" are "the guys who buy by far the largest share of higher-end, high-margin lenses and speedlites." I'm curious is you have any statistics that backs up your claim, or if it's pure speculation. If I interpret your statement correctly, then it sounds like you think that it's hobbyists that purchase expensive L-series lenses and accessories in the greatest quantities?

Because photo-enthusiast hobbyists vastly out number working pros by a zillion to one?

Even a tiny fraction of hobbyists buying L lenses would exceed the total number of working pros. The exceptions *might* be the extremely long L primes (400, 600, etc), but even there, there exists a huge number of non-pro nature photographers that use these regularly.

 

[aznable]

i want this .. i want such a canon camera!!

http://fstoppers.com/new-rumor-good-news-for-the-nikon-d600

The Goods:

– 24.7MP Full-Frame Sensor — Could it be more perfect?
– 5fps, 2 SD card slots
– ISO 100-6400 (Lo 50 – Hi 25,600)
– Built-in AF motor (so AF-S lenses won’t be mandatory)
– 1080p at 30, 35, 24 — 720p at 60, 50, 30, 25
– HDMI output
– 100% viewfinder coverage for FX, 97% DX
– Just slightly lighter than the D800 (about 800g v. 900g)
– Will likely be weather sealed
– 39 AF Points
– Could be as cheap as $1500! — D3x was already killed by the D800…but Nikon obviously doesn’t mind beating it down further…

The “Bad”:

– No built-in GPS — This goes against what we thought earlier, but honestly, we’d all much rather have an AF motor and a weather-sealed body than a silly GPS chip that few will actually need. That saves most of us a little change, too, since we won’t ‘have’ to buy an external GPS attachment if we don’t want to.

Questions, Comments, Concerns? Meet us below in the comments section!

is it an sony Alpha 900 on budget?...maybe they are repackaging the unsold a900as nikon d600