Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Being Tested by Photographers

[romanr74]

Please, tell us a bit more then. Like FPS, video capabilities, etc.

I did not ask for. Sorry, I have no information on those. 28 MP is from one photographer who I am not 100% sure. But the second one telling me about the DR and noise is reliable. The second one is also testing the 16-35 III.

All I can say are these two are coming very soon and I will buy both of them.
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I hope you're not a bragger/pretender/wtf... I'd love the two to be announced soon and i'd love the two to be good and worthy an upgrade from MKIII and MKII respectively...

 

[romanr74]

The Canon Ambassadors are doing final field testing and marketing work, they have pre-release models...actually they have had them for awhile now. I told you months ago 4k was for sure in. You people are in for a fun all around "little" camera in a few months!!! Even i am impressed with it and may just well save up my pennies for one myself. Can't say much on details but don't expect high Megapixels or crazy fast fps but do expect the best DR ever from a Canon!

of course you don't believe me...

of course not... you'd be disapointed otherwise...

 

[romanr74]

I hope it's going to have illuminated buttons like D500.

When I was in the army, I could disassemble and put back together my rifle, blindfolded. When I'm taking pictures, I know any menu button location very well without looking at them. They don't move you know.

I'm not sure why people often mention that as a plus. It'd add non-needed electronic parts in there, both taking space and one more thing to break down. So please no.

Really hope it has CFast and CF card slots and same 5D III battery...

Being selfish, I'd love these too but for general audience I think SD+CFast and new battery type will make more sense.

Other item's I'd love:

-36-50MPix
-1080p120 or especially 1080p240

I'm doomed. I never went to the army. Nevermind, Canon is doomed too...

 

[romanr74]

I was told 28mp using a new 0.18um cmos sensor will give 1.4 stops more base iso DR and roughly 1/2 stop higher ISO noise performance over the 1dx2

Wouldn't that sound interesting...!?

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The Canon Ambassadors are doing final field testing and marketing work, they have pre-release models...actually they have had them for awhile now. I told you months ago 4k was for sure in. You people are in for a fun all around "little" camera in a few months!!! Even i am impressed with it and may just well save up my pennies for one myself. Can't say much on details but don't expect high Megapixels or crazy fast fps but do expect the best DR ever from a Canon!

of course you don't believe me...

When you say best DR ever from a Canon, better than 80D and 1DX2 (which rather disappointed me, best ever for Canon, but still so far behind Exmor). If they could at least get to say within 1/2 stop of A7R II ISO 100 DR then I'd probably be all over this wow.

I doubt they'll get within 1/2 stop of the Exmor. The leap Canon has made in DR is significant for Canon, but isn't competitive with the industry. It comes down to end users. Is the increase good enough? This will please the very small percentage of Canon users who care about DR and can use more. But it won't please those looking for the most they can get. Those folks have mostly jumped ship to Nikon already. If there are any hold outs left - then the 1DX2 and 80D results should be enough to convince them not to bother waiting for the 5D4.

While Canon could "tune" their sensor in the 5D4 for better DR at low ISO, being that the 1DX2 is setup for good high ISO performance and doesn't focus on low ISO DR, how much can they get? I doubt with their current tech they will put out anything close to Nikon.

Fortunately for Canon, having massive DR at ISO 64, 100 and 200 isn't the priority of pros, serious enthusiasts and the industry as a whole.

Yep...If I need more contrast range then I'll bracket and combine on Photoshop later. It doesn't take long and the results are really nice.

 

[Sharlin]

So... one source says not to expect much DR-wise and another that it's 1,4 stops higher compared to the 1DX2 (!) That's rumors for you I guess :

 

[Guillaume GLEIZE]

OK so this new 5D4 version seems to be video oriented as was landscape & studio oriented the 5DS(r) ... Too bad for me (and for many) who certainly are waiting for a new GENERAL CAMERA with GENERAL qualities as was the 5D3 ...

I think we are a MAJORITY to wait for a MIX of better resolution with better fps speed and general qualities than a new movie camera or a new studio monster IMAO!

GG

 

[Loswr]

The Canon Ambassadors are doing final field testing and marketing work, they have pre-release models...actually they have had them for awhile now. I told you months ago 4k was for sure in. You people are in for a fun all around "little" camera in a few months!!! Even i am impressed with it and may just well save up my pennies for one myself. Can't say much on details but don't expect high Megapixels or crazy fast fps but do expect the best DR ever from a Canon!

of course you don't believe me...

Well, you could be right. After all, a broken analog clock manages that twice a day...

 

[Loswr]

it seems that you do not appreciate what better DR means - it means better IQ.

For those that don't want the DR to improve, ask yourself this: would you want the 5D4 to have the lowest IQ amongst all current model FF cameras?

By your definition of better IQ (more DR at low ISO), the Nikon D5 already has lower IQ that the Canon 5Ds...heck, even Canon's newest APS-C camera offers better IQ than Nikon's flagship pro camera. By your definition. :

 

[CanonGuy]

Unfortunately I never record video with DSLR so these are useless for me (I'm sure some of you will find these very helpful though. So kudos to Canon). I'm a photographer and I need the 5D IV to be comparable to competition (canon is lagging like 2 years from competition with sensor tech). Step up in that area and take my money. Simple as that. Otherwise my next body will be the first non Canon body in my life. Ball is in your court. Just play it nice.

2 years behind? So with the 5D III at release they were 2 years ahead I guess...

Apparently...

exact

You can be at the denial stage as much as you want lol. But I'll appreciate if you don't post your useless sarcastic replies. Those replies don't serve any purpose.

At release 5D iii sensor tech was current (nothing ahead, it was just a current technology). With the release of D810, D750, A7r ii etc., all canon sensors are FAR behind now. As I said, if Canon can't get their acts together with 5D iv release, they won't be getting my money this time. And many many of my fellows already have bought a non Canon body recently (I'm still howling off for me iv release).

Ball is in your court now. Go Ahead and post another useless sarcastic reply.

 

[Etienne]

OK so this new 5D4 version seems to be video oriented as was landscape & studio oriented the 5DS(r) ... Too bad for me (and for many) who certainly are waiting for a new GENERAL CAMERA with GENERAL qualities as was the 5D3 ...

I think we are a MAJORITY to wait for a MIX of better resolution with better fps speed and general qualities than a new movie camera or a new studio monster IMAO!

GG

Being good at video is part of being a good general all around camera today. People who cover events often need to collect both video and stills. Then there's the advantage of 4K screen grabs. Some predict that the future of sports photography ... is videography: high res screen grabs

The world is changing, and so are cameras.

 

[Loswr]

[You can be at the denial stage as much as you want lol. But I'll appreciate if you don't post your useless sarcastic replies. Those replies don't serve any purpose.

At release 5D iii sensor tech was current (nothing ahead, it was just a current technology). With the release of D810, D750, A7r ii etc., all canon sensors are FAR behind now. As I said, if Canon can't get their acts together with 5D iv release, they won't be getting my money this time. And many many of my fellows already have bought a non Canon body recently (I'm still howling off for me iv release).

Sounds like you're the one in denial...about your own importance. Since we still see Canon gaining market share, it's clear that 'you and many many of your fellows' don't mean anything in the overall context.

 

[photo212]

Get on with it Canon, I want used 5d iii's to come down in price!

Yep. If the Mk IV is a video camera upgrade, I'll be picking up a new Mk III for cheap

 

[AdamBotond]

I was told 28mp using a new 0.18um cmos sensor will give 1.4 stops more base iso DR and roughly 1/2 stop higher ISO noise performance over the 1dx2

I'd be surprised. Not likely imo, but if that would be the case I am in as a buyer!

 

[ahsanford]

Again, always bears repeating:

http://petapixel.com/2016/02/19/here-are-the-cameras-that-won-world-press-photo-2016/
(Also, see the highest rated comment below the story. :)

Award-winning photos taken on Canon cameras = 28
Award-winning photos taken on Nikon cameras = 12 (yes -- there are some EXMOR sensors in there)
Award-winning photos taken on Sony cameras = 1 (*zero* from the A7 brand)

In fairness, these folks would probably have won their awards with any camera, but the fact that they chose to stick with Canon through these terribly lean DR times speaks volumes. These folks (correctly) see the bigger value proposition of what camera to use. They consider everything -- sensors, AF, lenses, flashes, build quality, 3rd party offerings, reliability, ergonomonics, handling, service, resale, etc.

I'm not saying I don't want more DR, and I'm not saying your desire to have more is misplaced. I am saying that in the big picture, Canon continues to delight us in ways other than the sensor far far far more than my sensor is letting me down, and until that changes, I'm happily staying put.

- A

P.S. I'd honestly love more breakdowns of who uses what from other sectors than press photography, but I've had tough luck getting last 12-24 month sort of data. Please msg me offline and forward a link if you don't mind.

 

[CanonGuy]

Again, always bears repeating:

http://petapixel.com/2016/02/19/here-are-the-cameras-that-won-world-press-photo-2016/
(Also, see the highest rated comment below the story. :)

Award-winning photos taken on Canon cameras = 28
Award-winning photos taken on Nikon cameras = 12 (yes -- there are some EXMOR sensors in there)
Award-winning photos taken on Sony cameras = 1 (*zero* from the A7 brand)

In fairness, these folks would probably have won their awards with any camera, but the fact that they chose to stick with Canon through these terribly lean DR times speaks volumes. These folks (correctly) see the bigger value proposition of what camera to use. They consider everything -- sensors, AF, lenses, flashes, build quality, 3rd party offerings, reliability, ergonomonics, handling, service, resale, etc.

I'm not saying I don't want more DR, and I'm not saying your desire to have more is misplaced. I am saying that in the big picture, Canon continues to delight us in ways other than the sensor far far far more than my sensor is letting me down, and until that changes, I'm happily staying put.

- A

P.S. I'd honestly love more breakdowns of who uses what from other sectors than press photography, but I've had tough luck getting last 12-24 month sort of data. Please msg me offline and forward a link if you don't mind.

Yah canon had/has higher market share and thats the reason they got lazy. If a Sony can make those amazing sensors with having less than 5% market share of dslr, Canon also should be able to do so. I see pain and simple lack of drive to innovate there. Sony stakeholders are just praying so that canon be the same for the next few years lol. It doesn't take long to be market scrapper from market leader in this fast moving world.

 

[Loswr]

Again, always bears repeating:

http://petapixel.com/2016/02/19/here-are-the-cameras-that-won-world-press-photo-2016/
(Also, see the highest rated comment below the story. :)

Award-winning photos taken on Canon cameras = 28
Award-winning photos taken on Nikon cameras = 12 (yes -- there are some EXMOR sensors in there)
Award-winning photos taken on Sony cameras = 1 (*zero* from the A7 brand)

In fairness, these folks would probably have won their awards with any camera, but the fact that they chose to stick with Canon through these terribly lean DR times speaks volumes. These folks (correctly) see the bigger value proposition of what camera to use. They consider everything -- sensors, AF, lenses, flashes, build quality, 3rd party offerings, reliability, ergonomonics, handling, service, resale, etc.

I'm not saying I don't want more DR, and I'm not saying your desire to have more is misplaced. I am saying that in the big picture, Canon continues to delight us in ways other than the sensor far far far more than my sensor is letting me down, and until that changes, I'm happily staying put.

- A

P.S. I'd honestly love more breakdowns of who uses what from other sectors than press photography, but I've had tough luck getting last 12-24 month sort of data. Please msg me offline and forward a link if you don't mind.

Yah canon had/has higher market share and thats the reason they got lazy. If a Sony can make those amazing sensors with having less than 5% market share of dslr, Canon also should be able to do so. I see pain and simple lack of drive to innovate there. Sony stakeholders are just praying so that canon be the same for the next few years lol. It doesn't take long to be market scrapper from market leader in this fast moving world.

In fact, Canon is near the top of their historical range of ILC market share, a market in which they've been #1 for the past 13 years.

It's ok, though...you're in good company here on CR, there are lots of people who refuse to let pesky things like facts and data get in the way of their opinions.

 

[romanr74]

Unfortunately I never record video with DSLR so these are useless for me (I'm sure some of you will find these very helpful though. So kudos to Canon). I'm a photographer and I need the 5D IV to be comparable to competition (canon is lagging like 2 years from competition with sensor tech). Step up in that area and take my money. Simple as that. Otherwise my next body will be the first non Canon body in my life. Ball is in your court. Just play it nice.

2 years behind? So with the 5D III at release they were 2 years ahead I guess...

Apparently...

exact

You can be at the denial stage as much as you want lol. But I'll appreciate if you don't post your useless sarcastic replies. Those replies don't serve any purpose.

At release 5D iii sensor tech was current (nothing ahead, it was just a current technology). With the release of D810, D750, A7r ii etc., all canon sensors are FAR behind now. As I said, if Canon can't get their acts together with 5D iv release, they won't be getting my money this time. And many many of my fellows already have bought a non Canon body recently (I'm still howling off for me iv release).

Ball is in your court now. Go Ahead and post another useless sarcastic reply.

Someone is in a good mood there... It was only just funny to read that 4 year old tech is 2 years behind competition. Further, I just see no point in making absolute statements like "all canon sensors are FAR behind now". If you don't want to use Canon further that is your right and you'll have your reasons. However you seem not to be able to make your decision or justify your opinion - why would your rant here otherwise... And even your many man fellows cannot convince you...

 

[ahsanford]

Yah canon had/has higher market share and thats the reason they got lazy. If a Sony can make those amazing sensors with having less than 5% market share of dslr, Canon also should be able to do so. I see pain and simple lack of drive to innovate there. Sony stakeholders are just praying so that canon be the same for the next few years lol. It doesn't take long to be market scrapper from market leader in this fast moving world.

You're 100% right. Canon could absolutely make the sensor of your dreams, but they choose to invest elsewhere.

And if Canon continues 'being lazy' for a long enough period of time, surely Sony will be able to outperform Canon at some realm of photography other than DXO sensor testing. (I honestly welcome that because it will drive the industry forward.)

But to migrate to another company now or in the near-term based solely on its sensor quality + 'spunky innovative spirit' has no reward for early adopters other than to puff up your chest and state that 'you were part of a movement or revolution'.

Let me know how innovation and revolution feels while you wait for more native glass, while you use a menu/control system that makes you want to kill things with a hammer, while the AF whiffs at field sports / wildlife work, etc.

- A

 

[Loswr]

At release 5D iii sensor tech was current (nothing ahead, it was just a current technology). With the release of D810, D750, A7r ii etc., all canon sensors are FAR behind now.

Someone is in a good mood there... It was only just funny to read that 4 year old tech is 2 years behind competition. Further, I just see no point in making absolute statements like "all canon sensors are FAR behind now".

+1

I wonder what CanonGuy thinks of the fact that Canon's new APS-C sensor in the 80D has more low ISO DR than the FF sensor in Nikon's flagship D5.