Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[ahsanford]

I wonder if they will pull the same trick, strangle the mirror to 7 FPS, but allow live view to pop off frames at 8 to 10 FPS??

The mirror setup is part of it, sure, but as we discussed earlier, only 1 DIGIC chip (best guestimates and all) will cap the throughput so that 10 fps x 24 MP likely wouldn't be possible, unless it's a staggeringly powerful new chip that defies most expectations.

I still don't get how a 5D4 simply cannot have two chips for any reason other than capping FPS for market segmentation reasons (i.e. deliberately nerfing fps to protect sales of other items). I appreciate it looks like I'm begging for special treatment with the 5D4, but hell, I don't need 8, 9, 10 fps. I just think the 5D4 is worthy of the same 'stills throughput horsepower' the 7D2 and 5DS gets.

- A

 

[tpatana]

I have the 7D MK II, 5D MK III, and 5DS R. The only real problem I have with the 5D MK III is that it won't allow exposure compensation when using manual exposure and Auto-ISO. It's a great camera for me and has been for three years.

I already sold my 5D3 so I can't check, but somehow I feel I was doing that, can't remember how. If you switch to Av (or Tv), then dial exp-comp to what you want, and then back to M+A-ISO, did the exp-comp setting stay?

Big part of my shots were M+A-ISO, so I think that was there somewhere. Too old to remember properly though.

That's interesting. I just tried this with my 5DIII and my 7DII. On the 5DIII, it automatically goes to the center point on the exposure meter and I don't seem to have any luck moving it off of there to compensate. Only occurs in manual with auto ISO. On the 7DII, if you first set the exposure compensation in AV or TV it will hold to that compensation when you switch to M.

I never noticed this. Seems like a bug to me. I can see why this would be a bit annoying for those who want to use Auto ISO, and manual as I know I regularly expose a touch to the right and it seems like you cannot do that in manual on the 5DIII if using auto ISO.

The workaround to me would be to use TV or AV instead. I know some people are "M" fanatics, but really, you can use TV or AV just like a manual mode by simply adjusting the exposure compensation.

Not sure if it's a bug, but that's how my 1DX also works.

 

[E.Mitsch]

Think about it, if Canon where to pull off, by the end of 2017

• 80D ....
• 1DX-ii ....
• 5D-iv ~28MP, 8'ish FPS (+2 in live mode), 4K, GPS, WIFI, DPAF, touch screen, near 1DXii AF, flicker at under $3500
• EOS M DPAF with 80D sensor, 4'ish FPS, 4K - 60fps, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, DPAF, flicker detect at under $1200-$1500 with good kit lens
• 6D-ii ~36MP, 4'ish FPS, 1K-60fps or 4k-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, flicker at under $2200
• 7D-iii fixed with touchscreen and on chip ADC
• 5DS-ii ~50MP, 6'ish FPS, 4K-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, DPAF, touch screen, flicker

Canon would have a product line with a spot for everyone. Question is, do you put DPAF on the 6Dii, probably. Obviously all models would get the ondie ADC. Actually, it would be pretty awesome.

I think the end of 2017 might be a bit optimistic for all of these, but I could see your list being completed in the first quarter of 2018. I wouldn't be surprised to also see an SL2 in there somewhere. I think that's a very underrated camera with a lot of niche marketing potential for those who like the DSLR form factor but want a very compact model.

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I'm a Photographer from Germany.
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Do you really think that they will bring out the 5DMk4 with ~28MP and then the 6DMk2 with ~36MP???
I work at the Moment with the 5DMk2 and wait since nearly 1 year to get a new camera. The 5DS/r I think ist a bit too much 'cause I do mostly People and weddings. So I hoped on the MK4 with something about 30MP.
But if they will do the 6D wit hmore MP's than the next 5D I think I have to wait a bit longer. What do you all mean?? Wait longer or not?
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[ahsanford]

We might have to agree to disagree.

I think the 80D is far too close to the 7Dii for it to stand for another 3 or 4 years. They messed up on the 7Dii, without the touch screen, people like me stayed on the sidelines. The 7Dii needs to be a clear leader over the 80D, and it is not.

The 70D packed more MP, DPAF, a tilty-flippy touch screen than the 7D1, and Canon did not rush out something to 'put the XXD line in its place'. The 7D2 was a good 15 months behind the 70D, and you'll notice they left the tilty-flippy screen off of it. The XXD and 7D are for different users, IMHO, and that's why they are on different refresh timelines.

Think about it, if Canon where to pull off, but the end of 2017

• 80D ....
• 1DX-ii ....
• 5D-iv ~28MP, 8'ish FPS (+2 in live mode), 4K, GPS, WIFI, DPAF, touch screen, near 1DXii AF, flicker at under $3500
• EOS M DPAF with 80D sensor, 4'ish FPS, 4K - 60fps, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, DPAF, flicker detect at under $1200-$1500 with good kit lens
• 6D-ii ~36MP, 4'ish FPS, 1K-60fps or 4k-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, flicker at under $2200
• 7D-iii fixed with touchscreen and on chip ADC
• 5DS-ii ~50MP, 6'ish FPS, 4K-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen?, flicker

Love that list (especially that EOS-M offering), but I think it's wildly optimistic. For starters, the 5D gets rev'd on a 4-ish year timeline, so I see zero chance for a 5DS2 happening within two years of the first model.

My guess is the 3-6 month announce / hype / pre-order / launch window for the 5D4 would run through 4th quarter 2016 into early next year, and then we'd talk about the 6D2 in the spring. Rebels and perhaps an EOS-M update in the summer, and that'll do it for 2017.

I would be stunned to see a 7D3 or next 5DS rig in 2017 unless -- reiterating my earlier comment -- Canon takes a nose dive in market share. Barring that, why on earth would they flood the market with so much high end gear? That's Sony's job.

- A

 

[arcer]

• And the 7D line is historically on a glacial update timeframe, like 5 years. Don't expect a 7D3 anytime soon unless someone has hard, incontrovertible data that Canon has lost the amateur wildlife segment to the D500 (i.e. good luck with that). I see the 7D3 not arriving for a very long time --

  
  We might have to agree to disagree.
  
  I think the 80D is far too close to the 7Dii for it to stand for another 3 or 4 years. They messed up on the 7Dii, without the touch screen, people like me stayed on the sidelines. The 7Dii needs to be a clear leader over the 80D, and it is not.
  
  I suspect the 7Dii, will get a mild refresh ASAP, obviously 6Dii, DPAF EOS-M, and 5Div taking priority. But getting on die ADC, touch screen, and maybe a slight bump in FPS.
  
  4K video??? Why not, it might need to.
  
  Think about it, if Canon where to pull off, but the end of 2017
  • 80D ....
  • 1DX-ii ....
  • 5D-iv ~28MP, 8'ish FPS (+2 in live mode), 4K, GPS, WIFI, DPAF, touch screen, near 1DXii AF, flicker at under $3500
  • EOS M DPAF with 80D sensor, 4'ish FPS, 4K - 60fps, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, DPAF, flicker detect at under $1200-$1500 with good kit lens
  • 6D-ii ~36MP, 4'ish FPS, 1K-60fps or 4k-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, flicker at under $2200
  • 7D-iii fixed with touchscreen and on chip ADC
  • 5DS-ii ~50MP, 6'ish FPS, 4K-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen?, flicker
  
  EDIT: removed DPAF from the 5DS-ii
  
  Canon would have a product line with a spot for everyone. Question is, do you put DPAF on the 6Dii, probably. Obviously all models would get the ondie ADC. Actually, it would be pretty awesome.
  

The 7D3 coming out in Fall 2017 is quite opportunistic but not really that far from reality, Canon once said that it will release new cameras sooner than before when there's new and better technologies and the 80D have shown this. So I expect we might see it as soon as Fall 2017 or as late as Fall 2018 (a 4-year cycle).

I think that Canon will meticulously investigate the current DPAF 24.2MP sensor on the 80D, find its flaws and improve upon it for release in the 7D3. Just like how they did it for the 7D2, where it has an improved 70D sensor. It will also get the newer AF system introduced by the 1DX2 which has multiple AF points to F8. 4K might also be introduced as the 7D series have been welcomed in the TV and cinema industry. Clean HDMI out as usual but no Cog yet .\ _ /.

However, I don't think Canon will have a good night sleep on the current situation of the 7D2, with the D500 and also the 80D being quite attractive to laymen. But that won't stop them from working slowly and making a working 7D3 at launch. (7D2 launch WAS awkward)

Meanwhile in the 6D camp, there was a rumor of upmarketing but I hope it doesn't mean high MP, I still want it to be the casual, good at everything camera that is the perfect travel cam that's lightweight and best in "Canon" lowlight performance.

Just my 2-cents.

 

[Antono Refa]

If the 5D4 had a megapixel count of 28-34MP I would think that would be more future proof. 24MP is not high enough in this age of 4k displays (and televisions) and I believe 4k is really going to take off in the next two years. The initial jump from 22 to 28 is much more important than from 28-34, for example.

4K display has 8MP. How is three times that resolution not future proof?

 

[arcer]

Hey guys, I read the whole discussion since it started but I only found time to reply now. But anyway.....

Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Rumored Specifications


•24.2MP Sensor
- A 2MP upgrade from 5D3 seems like a reasonable upgrade by Canon but 28MP requested by others seems reasonable also, so not much comment here. DPAF may or may not happen but clinging on it WILL happen. (Extra info: 5D2 21.1MP --> 5D3 22.3MP)

•61 AF Points (41 crosstype)
- Similar AF system from 5D3 but I guess this time it will borrow from the 1DX2 again, 61 AF Points (41 crosstype) and 61 AF points (21 crosstype) at f/8. So don't fret, a cool improvement also.

•DIGIC 7+ (Single)
- Absolute typo in my opinion, should be DIGIC 6+.

•7fps
- Improve from 6fps in 5D3, but honestly I think that 8fps (7.5fps) is much more appropriate.

•ISO 100-51,200 (expandable options)
- Remarked by a lot of friends here, ISO 100-51,200 native ISO ( with expandable options)

•3.2″ touchscreen LCD
- Borrow from 1DX2 again

•CFast/SD card slots
- CFast makes a lot of photogs angry but times is changing, so must we. First adopters will face the steep price but after less than a year, expect CFast to lower in price and become more common.

•Wifi built-in
- Sweet, remote shooting now more accessible

•GPS built-in
- Not sure if necessary, but why not?

•BG-E20 battery grip and LP-E20 battery
- Discussed widely but not elucidated by much. Don't fret on new battery. My evidence:
1DX2 introduced with new LP-E19 battery but still compatible with old LP-E4 series batteries. So.......
5D4 introduced with new LP-E20 battery but STILL COMPATBLE with older LP-E6 series batteries.
New battery introduced with new design and electronic architecture, maybe related with higher fps capability.

•Slight weight reduction
- Introduction of WiFi and GPS means shedding a bit of metal for better wireless connection.

Disclaimer: All above is my opinion only, based on evaluation of previous facts and current trends, and my own expectation. I have no connection with anyone in Canon Inc. If you don't like it, then don't. It's not a fact yet.

 

[romanr74]

We're saying Canon would protect losing 1DX II sales to a high fps 5D4.

I doubt that Canon is ever worried about losing sales to Canon. If they were, they wouldn't make a dozen or so DSLR models. If someone buys a 5D4 instead of a 1DX2, Canon doesn't lose anything. They'll sell many more 5D4 than 1DX2, making up for the "loss". The only lost sale they worry about is someone buying a Nikon/Sony/Pentax/etc. instead of a Canon.

I am just plain certain they do their homework to prevent cannibalization of higher end bodies through lower end product!

 

[RGF]

I really hope 24MP is not the final number. I was totally hoping for 28MP.

+1, 28 to 36 MP

BTW I wonder if Canon leaks these on purpose to see what we say :

 

[arcer]

I really hope 24MP is not the final number. I was totally hoping for 28MP.

+1, 28 to 36 MP

BTW I wonder if Canon leaks these on purpose to see what we say :

Hopefully, but as I heard from the better posters here, core tech and specs should be concrete within the year of production and release. However, maybe Canon is leaking out the 24MP but releasing a 28MP to "surprise" us

 

[Ryananthony]

I have the 7D MK II, 5D MK III, and 5DS R. The only real problem I have with the 5D MK III is that it won't allow exposure compensation when using manual exposure and Auto-ISO. It's a great camera for me and has been for three years.

I already sold my 5D3 so I can't check, but somehow I feel I was doing that, can't remember how. If you switch to Av (or Tv), then dial exp-comp to what you want, and then back to M+A-ISO, did the exp-comp setting stay?

Big part of my shots were M+A-ISO, so I think that was there somewhere. Too old to remember properly though.

That's interesting. I just tried this with my 5DIII and my 7DII. On the 5DIII, it automatically goes to the center point on the exposure meter and I don't seem to have any luck moving it off of there to compensate. Only occurs in manual with auto ISO. On the 7DII, if you first set the exposure compensation in AV or TV it will hold to that compensation when you switch to M.

I never noticed this. Seems like a bug to me. I can see why this would be a bit annoying for those who want to use Auto ISO, and manual as I know I regularly expose a touch to the right and it seems like you cannot do that in manual on the 5DIII if using auto ISO.

The workaround to me would be to use TV or AV instead. I know some people are "M" fanatics, but really, you can use TV or AV just like a manual mode by simply adjusting the exposure compensation.

The problem with that for me is when I'm shooting birds in flight, jumping from forested backgrounds to clear sky etc. I want to be able compensate exposure properly, and if I use aperture priority, I don't get to choose a minimum shutter speed that would work in flight, and even if it did, the problem would come when the bird lands. Shutter priority seems to work, but im left to shoot wide open. Or at least can't choose a constant aperture since it will jump a third of stop to help compensate with the auto iso. I've heard arguments plenty of times that "your in manual, so shoot in manual. Theres no need for compensation" I strongly disagree. Shutter speed and aperture effect the look of my image. I want my iso to be as low as possible, and changing my iso isn't as fast as the cameras metering.

A work around that seems to be working best for me is when shooting in manual with auto iso, I've programed the "set" button to change iso when held and the dial is rotated. Unfortunately, when finished, and setting my iso back to auto I can't use the "set" button and rotate all the way to down to auto iso like I can when I push the iso button. This leaves me using both ways to change iso.

 

[Sator]

A bit late to chime in but I would be a little concerned about the 24MP sensor spec, as I was considering at least taking a look at the 5DIV to supplement my 5DsR (someone please tell Andreas over at SAR that I am principally a Canon shooter please...he keeps referring to me in his rants as a "Fuji shooter"...LOL). Resolution isn't everything, but a 24MP sensor would have to bring a lot of other performance capacity for it to remain competitive (ISO, DR, dual-pixel AF) for the next four years.

By the end of the four year product cycle M4/3 cameras will have reached or exceeded the 24MP resolution barrier. They are already at 20MP now. APS-C models from Pentax, Fuji and Sony already have 24MP sensors in them, and in another three to four years they will probably have around 36MP resolution APS-C sensors.

Also of interest is the fact that Canon use the same metal body for all 5D series cameras to reduce production costs. That means that not too long after the 5DIV, we will probably see an early update to the 5Ds with a Mark II. I wonder if they will bump up the resolution (on the roadmap to increasing resolution to 120MP in the next 3-4 years) or keep it the same to improve other performance parameters.

 

[wockawocka]

CFast and SD card slots.

Please be UHSii, please be UHSii, please be UHSii.

 

[tron]

I really hope 24MP is not the final number. I was totally hoping for 28MP.

+1, 28 to 36 MP

BTW I wonder if Canon leaks these on purpose to see what we say :

Hopefully, but as I heard from the better posters here, core tech and specs should be concrete within the year of production and release. However, maybe Canon is leaking out the 24MP but releasing a 28MP to "surprise" us

Or keeping it to 24MP to make it as good as possible for high iso

 

[Loswr]

I have the 7D MK II, 5D MK III, and 5DS R. The only real problem I have with the 5D MK III is that it won't allow exposure compensation when using manual exposure and Auto-ISO. It's a great camera for me and has been for three years.

I already sold my 5D3 so I can't check, but somehow I feel I was doing that, can't remember how. If you switch to Av (or Tv), then dial exp-comp to what you want, and then back to M+A-ISO, did the exp-comp setting stay?

Big part of my shots were M+A-ISO, so I think that was there somewhere. Too old to remember properly though.

That's interesting. I just tried this with my 5DIII and my 7DII. On the 5DIII, it automatically goes to the center point on the exposure meter and I don't seem to have any luck moving it off of there to compensate. Only occurs in manual with auto ISO. On the 7DII, if you first set the exposure compensation in AV or TV it will hold to that compensation when you switch to M.

I never noticed this. Seems like a bug to me. I can see why this would be a bit annoying for those who want to use Auto ISO, and manual as I know I regularly expose a touch to the right and it seems like you cannot do that in manual on the 5DIII if using auto ISO.

The workaround to me would be to use TV or AV instead. I know some people are "M" fanatics, but really, you can use TV or AV just like a manual mode by simply adjusting the exposure compensation.

Not sure if it's a bug, but that's how my 1DX also works.

The 1D X can apply exposure compensation in M mode with Auto ISO, it was added with the v2 firmware update. The 5DIII doesn't have that feature. I'm sure the 5DIV will.

 

[scyrene]

99% of Canon owners will keep buying Canon but if you are coming into DSLR photography with a clean slate and want to get into wildlife/bird shooting, do you buy the 7D2 or D500? The problem for Canon is that next to the D500, the 7D2 has a limited value proposition and ability to grow Canon's userbase.

If I were recommending a camera out of the two to a newbie, I might well say the D500 (I don't honestly know enough about either model to be sure though). But a couple of things. First, how many people start out in DSLR photography with a camera at the level of a 7D2 or D500? I doubt there's any hard figures on it, but I'd expect more people start at the low end - either buying secondhand (say a 7D) or getting a recent beginners' model, like the 750D (when people ask me to recommend a DSLR to them, their budgets are often surprisingly low by my standards, but then my approach to photography is not most people's, and I'm sure the same is true for most people on this forum). The D500/7D2 are surely more for people upgrading. Second, the D500 is currently 1.5x more expensive (here in the UK at least) than the 7D2. Never underestimate the importance of price, especially for people just starting out. The D500 will become cheaper after a few months of course, but the 7D2 will probably cost even less by then too.

 

[jeffa4444]

It has all been said before, but will it have the blue g 8) 8)?

Did you mean blue goo like the 35L II BR stuff? Where, on the sensor?

Sure, and I think we'll get IS and USM on it, too.

- A

Sure, Canon will use it to help get better DxOMark scores. If lenses can have DR, why can't sensors have blue goo?

Yes, I had not seen DxO mentioned, those scores need to improve too ;-)
This CR1 seems to wind a lot of people up to the point where they announce to leave Canon for ...

Blue g 8) 8) will keep them all with Canon, I am sure! It will not give 8K video or 16 stop DR but man the DxO ...

Please dont take DxO scores seriously they have a very flawed way of testing equipment.

 

[jeffa4444]

The problem for Canon is that next to the D500, the 7D2 has a limited value proposition

Yes, I'm sure that's true in dilbertland, where lenses are cameras and the 1D C isn't a dSLR. The rest of us live in a place called reality, you should visit there sometime.

As others have noted the issue for Canon is not the D500 which on paper actually seems like a decent camera but the EOS 80D which will split the choice of many users because of the newer sensor, touch screen and partial weather sealing narrowing the gap. Between the Nikon D500 and the EOS 80D the 7D MKII may well be refreshed faster than many think.

 

[j-nord]

The problem for Canon is that next to the D500, the 7D2 has a limited value proposition

Yes, I'm sure that's true in dilbertland, where lenses are cameras and the 1D C isn't a dSLR. The rest of us live in a place called reality, you should visit there sometime.

As others have noted the issue for Canon is not the D500 which on paper actually seems like a decent camera but the EOS 80D which will split the choice of many users because of the newer sensor, touch screen and partial weather sealing narrowing the gap. Between the Nikon D500 and the EOS 80D the 7D MKII may well be refreshed faster than many think.

One can hope that we see a 7DIII sooner rather than later but we know the 5DIV and 6DII are coming first. Id be fine with a 7Ds type upgrade where all they really do is upgrade the sensor. I can't bring myself to pick up a 7DII knowing I'd be unhappy with ISO performance at around 3200, where Id use it most.

 

[tiger82]

4K display has 8MP. How is three times that resolution not future proof?

8K is 32MP, it's the math