Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[romanr74]

I did not make any statement about sales numbers. In fact my question already makes your question obviously superfluous. I have none - and therefore I do not make such claims.

But if someone claims a camera sold like "hotcakes" it indicates that some kind of facts are available to make this claim. What I do know for a fact is that Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched (2013/14/15).

Wasn't it you posting: "Obviously did not... Lots of 5DII owners did not upgrade. Forums - including this one - are full of 5DII-owners scratching their heads while they wait." How is this not claiming numbers and others peoples feelings knowledge which isn't there....?

Saying lots of 5DII owners did not upgrade is not making any claim about the number of 5DIII sales.

Its a claim related to a discussion whether or not the 5DIII was a significant upgrade to the 5DII (and here many did not upgrade because they were not convinced the 5DIII was worth it - myself included).

Did you read my post at all?

Btw I myself did upgrade from 5DII to 5DIII and overall I do consider it an extremely worthwile upgrade on basically every possible aspect of a DSLR - many things never ever discussed here. If the 5DIV will be a similarly broad improvement I'm clearly in...

 

[Mr. Milo]

If I was strictly a photographer going by the rumors now, I would not buy it. I'd get the 5DSR and invest in more lenses.

So you actually think the MKIV will be more expensive than the 5DSR?

If that is the case, I should considering getting a MKIII instead of waiting.

No.

 

[Loswr]

However, how much or how little this was due to 5DIII sales we do not know as Canon very carefully guards its specific camera model sales. Which is why I avoid making any claims about 5DIII sales.

The actual unit numbers, yes. But Canon stated in more than one analyst call that 5DIII sales were strong, and you're suggesting the opposite. In addition, there are plenty of anecdotal data, like the fact that as of right now the 5DIII is the best-selling FF camera dSLR on Amazon.com, and the 8th best-selling dSLR overall.

 

[pierlux]

I thought I was one of the few 5D II owners who didn't upgrade to the III... Now I'm not so sure I'm in a clear minority anymore.

 

[kaihp]

Observation:
DSLR sales are dropping

Possible reasons:

(snippage)

9. Potential buyers have less disposable income for their (expensive) hobby
10. Potential buyers are concerned enough about the general economic future to avoid expensive nice-to-have purchases

 

[timcz]

So the more I spend reading about the 5dsR I'm realising how much I'm actually really wanting one and might end up being the answer for me...

But will still wait to see what the 5d4 brings - the extra DR would be nice but my mk3 is still very capable I find.

 

[Zv]

So the more I spend reading about the 5dsR I'm realising how much I'm actually really wanting one and might end up being the answer for me...

But will still wait to see what the 5d4 brings - the extra DR would be nice but my mk3 is still very capable I find.

If you don't find the MKIII limiting in any way for your style of photography then the 5DSr will be a more than adequate upgrade. Right now the prices are good, the camera is tried and tested, has great resolution and improved DR over the MKIII.

You could be waiting a while for the MKIV and when it comes it'll be way more expensive.

The whole DR thing is blown out of proportion anyway IMO. Cameras that worked just fine a few years ago are suddenly inadequate? Lack of DR wasn't holding us back before, was it?

 

[timcz]

So the more I spend reading about the 5dsR I'm realising how much I'm actually really wanting one and might end up being the answer for me...

But will still wait to see what the 5d4 brings - the extra DR would be nice but my mk3 is still very capable I find.

If you don't find the MKIII limiting in any way for your style of photography then the 5DSr will be a more than adequate upgrade. Right now the prices are good, the camera is tried and tested, has great resolution and improved DR over the MKIII.

You could be waiting a while for the MKIV and when it comes it'll be way more expensive.

The whole DR thing is blown out of proportion anyway IMO. Cameras that worked just fine a few years ago are suddenly inadequate? Lack of DR wasn't holding us back before, was it?

My thoughts exactly!

Sadly though, price is still $5000 AUD here for a 5dsR.

 

[Zv]

So the more I spend reading about the 5dsR I'm realising how much I'm actually really wanting one and might end up being the answer for me...

But will still wait to see what the 5d4 brings - the extra DR would be nice but my mk3 is still very capable I find.

If you don't find the MKIII limiting in any way for your style of photography then the 5DSr will be a more than adequate upgrade. Right now the prices are good, the camera is tried and tested, has great resolution and improved DR over the MKIII.

You could be waiting a while for the MKIV and when it comes it'll be way more expensive.

The whole DR thing is blown out of proportion anyway IMO. Cameras that worked just fine a few years ago are suddenly inadequate? Lack of DR wasn't holding us back before, was it?

My thoughts exactly!

Sadly though, price is still $5000 AUD here for a 5dsR.

Australian prices, ouch!! You guys do tend to get a raw deal with camera gear but even then 5 grand is a bit much! That's a p--- take. How much is a 1DX I wonder?

Grey market??

 

[Mark66]

We just had a long conversation with the marketing chief of a major European country (whom one of my mates knows well) and he told as that literally everything in the press and on rumor sites is bs. There is no point in waiting for a Mark IV, they are not going to undermine themselves anytime soon with a body that has half the price-tag of their own professional cameras.
We have all the Canon glass that we're used to and that in the past years helped us define our style. But there seems to be no way whatsoever. So yes, we insisted a lot with the guy, asking 1000 questions and at the end begging him to let us know something pleeeze because for the two projects we're about to do this summer a Mark IV would be the perfect camera even if still with bugs and issues. But the answer was a straight no, there won't be anything for the time being only remotely close to a revamped Mark III with better specs.
PS: I created an ID here only to write this post. It'll be the first and the last. And I see us - my mates and my company - already thinking about changing platform, even with all the glass and for the first time in a decade. Cheers.

 

[timcz]

So the more I spend reading about the 5dsR I'm realising how much I'm actually really wanting one and might end up being the answer for me...

But will still wait to see what the 5d4 brings - the extra DR would be nice but my mk3 is still very capable I find.

If you don't find the MKIII limiting in any way for your style of photography then the 5DSr will be a more than adequate upgrade. Right now the prices are good, the camera is tried and tested, has great resolution and improved DR over the MKIII.

You could be waiting a while for the MKIV and when it comes it'll be way more expensive.

The whole DR thing is blown out of proportion anyway IMO. Cameras that worked just fine a few years ago are suddenly inadequate? Lack of DR wasn't holding us back before, was it?

My thoughts exactly!

Sadly though, price is still $5000 AUD here for a 5dsR.

Australian prices, ouch!! You guys do tend to get a raw deal with camera gear but even then 5 grand is a bit much! That's a p--- take. How much is a 1DX I wonder?

Grey market??

1dx2 is listed as $8800 here I believe.

Grey market a 5dsr looks around $4400 aud. Makes it a bit more tempting!

 

[Mr. Milo]

We just had a long conversation with the marketing chief of a major European country (whom one of my mates knows well) and he told as that literally everything in the press and on rumor sites is bs.

Dismissed. This is one of those "my uncle knows the grandfather who knows a dude with a curly mustache within Canon..."

There is no point in waiting for a Mark IV, they are not going to undermine themselves anytime soon with a body that has half the price-tag of their own professional cameras.

This is your opinion, right? This is my money and I can do whatever I want. The Mark IV is coming out later in the year. There is no rush and leaves me more time to build up my money. It fits what I need if the camera comes close to half of what I'm thinking. I don't want Sony or Nikon.

We have all the Canon glass that we're used to and that in the past years helped us define our style. But there seems to be no way whatsoever. So yes, we insisted a lot with the guy, asking 1000 questions and at the end begging him to let us know something pleeeze because for the two projects we're about to do this summer a Mark IV would be the perfect camera even if still with bugs and issues. But the answer was a straight no, there won't be anything for the time being only remotely close to a revamped Mark III with better specs.

That's correct. It's his career not to reveal anything. You did not ask 1000 questions either. He's not going to stand there and say "nope" 1000 times? Nope. I don't believe it. Also, the Mark IV is not coming out during the summer so we're left to do summer projects without it. Last time I heard, it was an August reveal of the camera until more verified news come out to update us.

PS: I created an ID here only to write this post. It'll be the first and the last. And I see us - my mates and my company - already thinking about changing platform, even with all the glass and for the first time in a decade. Cheers.

Figures. A drive by post. I'm not changing platforms. You can though. Cheers.

 

[ahsanford]

We just had a long conversation with the marketing chief of a major European country ...

I don't know where to begin with this one, but I'll try:

• Shockingly :, rumors are rated here. CR1, like this thread is, is dubious at best, and everyone here with over 10 posts knows that. CR2 would be a 'directionally accurate' but a date or item on the spec list might be off. When a CR3 drops, it's effectively a done deal and CR's track record at those is pretty damn good.
  
  
• Regarding 'undermining pricier rigs' (I presume you are referring to the 1D rigs), this is Canon's constant challenge. Things like 4K vs. no 4K, 10 fps vs. 8 fps vs. 6 fps, etc. are carefully considered before Canon chooses to roll something out. Canon has an uncanny ability of leaving certain things out of lower models so that the higher model's value/price/sales are not undermined.
  
• You may be besties with Commodore Canonpants in whatever country you live in, but that company lives and dies by secrecy and tightly controlled communications -- perhaps like Apple but not quite as militantly strict. You can be damn sure he -- like any test photographer who leaks something -- would be absolutely eviscerated for divulging details of a release.
  

All in all, I'd be stunned if we didn't see a 5D3 follow up (whatever it's called) announced in this calendar year.

- A

 

[Loswr]

We just had a long conversation with the marketing chief of a major European country (whom one of my mates knows well) and he told as that literally everything in the press and on rumor sites is bs. There is no point in waiting for a Mark IV, they are not going to undermine themselves anytime soon with a body that has half the price-tag of their own professional cameras.
We have all the Canon glass that we're used to and that in the past years helped us define our style. But there seems to be no way whatsoever. So yes, we insisted a lot with the guy, asking 1000 questions and at the end begging him to let us know something pleeeze because for the two projects we're about to do this summer a Mark IV would be the perfect camera even if still with bugs and issues. But the answer was a straight no, there won't be anything for the time being only remotely close to a revamped Mark III with better specs.
PS: I created an ID here only to write this post. It'll be the first and the last. And I see us - my mates and my company - already thinking about changing platform, even with all the glass and for the first time in a decade. Cheers.

Rick W, is that you? Or is this one of your 'sources'?

 

[pierlux]

We just had a long conversation with the marketing chief of a major European country (whom one of my mates knows well) and he told as that literally everything in the press and on rumor sites is bs. There is no point in waiting for a Mark IV, they are not going to undermine themselves anytime soon with a body that has half the price-tag of their own professional cameras.
We have all the Canon glass that we're used to and that in the past years helped us define our style. But there seems to be no way whatsoever. So yes, we insisted a lot with the guy, asking 1000 questions and at the end begging him to let us know something pleeeze because for the two projects we're about to do this summer a Mark IV would be the perfect camera even if still with bugs and issues. But the answer was a straight no, there won't be anything for the time being only remotely close to a revamped Mark III with better specs.
PS: I created an ID here only to write this post. It'll be the first and the last. And I see us - my mates and my company - already thinking about changing platform, even with all the glass and for the first time in a decade. Cheers.

Rick W, is that you? Or is this one of your 'sources'?

LOL!



The first and the last? Yes, please. Thanks a lot!!!

About to change platform? Yes, please! Thanks a lot!!!!!!

Sorry folks, I just came home, had a nice time in a pub, It's 3:30 A.M. in Italy, a group of old friends played live music, '60 and '70 hits, had 4 double malt beers (for real!), forgive me if I'm writing something outré. Don't really know how I managed to come home safely (for real!).

Shot about 400 photos, tomorrow I'll have to deal with mocking resolution, ridicolous DR, unbearable noise... you know, I used a revolting 5D Mark II :-[ ... Now I read, about my (probable) next camera, that "there won't be anything for the time being only remotely close to a revamped Mark III with better specs" ...

If you won't see me here anymore, I either committed suicide, or changed platform.

(Farewell)

 

[JJF]

We just had a long conversation with the marketing chief of a major European country (whom one of my mates knows well) and he told as that literally everything in the press and on rumor sites is bs. There is no point in waiting for a Mark IV, they are not going to undermine themselves anytime soon with a body that has half the price-tag of their own professional cameras.
We have all the Canon glass that we're used to and that in the past years helped us define our style. But there seems to be no way whatsoever. So yes, we insisted a lot with the guy, asking 1000 questions and at the end begging him to let us know something pleeeze because for the two projects we're about to do this summer a Mark IV would be the perfect camera even if still with bugs and issues. But the answer was a straight no, there won't be anything for the time being only remotely close to a revamped Mark III with better specs.
PS: I created an ID here only to write this post. It'll be the first and the last. And I see us - my mates and my company - already thinking about changing platform, even with all the glass and for the first time in a decade. Cheers.

That makes sense to me, specially since its been 1 year from the release of the 5DS and 5DSR.
It would be too many 5D's in a relatively short time frame.
And of course, Canon wants to sell 1DxII's for a lot more.

 

[pierlux]

We just had a long conversation with the marketing chief of a major European country (whom one of my mates knows well) and he told as that literally everything in the press and on rumor sites is bs. There is no point in waiting for a Mark IV, they are not going to undermine themselves anytime soon with a body that has half the price-tag of their own professional cameras.
We have all the Canon glass that we're used to and that in the past years helped us define our style. But there seems to be no way whatsoever. So yes, we insisted a lot with the guy, asking 1000 questions and at the end begging him to let us know something pleeeze because for the two projects we're about to do this summer a Mark IV would be the perfect camera even if still with bugs and issues. But the answer was a straight no, there won't be anything for the time being only remotely close to a revamped Mark III with better specs.
PS: I created an ID here only to write this post. It'll be the first and the last. And I see us - my mates and my company - already thinking about changing platform, even with all the glass and for the first time in a decade. Cheers.

That makes sense to me, specially since its been 1 year from the release of the 5DS and 5DSR.
It would be too many 5D's in a relatively short time frame.
And of course, Canon wants to sell 1DxII's for a lot more.

Makes sense, because 1D series and 5D series are direct competitors, of course :. As well as 50 MP and 50/2 MP cameras... Oh, well...

Sorry man, didn't mean to be harsh, but...

 

[Ozarker]

Its true. You can be creative without technology. But couldn't you be more creative with better technology? Even the artists brush evolved over time.

^^^^ this

All artists employ technology in one form or another. The idea that it's only about "creative technique" or "the mind's eye," is a silly, arrogant, and extreme position. Paints have evolved, canvas materials have evolved, brushes have evolved dramatically, hell, even cameras in 1940 were far better than those in 1900. And Ansel Adams spent hours - days even - tweaking his photos in the dark room. He said it best himself, “The negative is the equivalent of the composer’s score, and the print the performance.”

If technology had no place in the creative process, we'd all still be shooting bellows cameras.

Give it a rest.

Except that bellows cameras are a technology also. Pinholes too.

 

[Simon Young]

I've just had a friend of mine (who works for Canon) suggest that although they've had no "official" info, his Rep said the 5d4 will be at photokina this year and he hinted at 32mp with 24mp mode. He hadn't heard anything about a new battery though.

 

[unfocused]

... he hinted at 32mp with 24mp mode.

If true, that will mean I'm definitely getting the 1D X II.