Canon EOS 5D Mark IV to be Announced August 25, 2016 [CR3]

[Donkey_Kong]

It's really not that difficult to crouch down to take a photo. If it really is difficult for you, it's probably time to consider changes to your health rather than expecting camera manufacturers to accomodate your laziness. I like my cameras robust and weather-sealed, without moving parts.

You must be very young and have no children. Otherwise, you'd know that yours is a very parochial assertion. Age catches up with all of us. Some can still crouch down in their 80's, others have problems much earlier. Even those who can may not wish to put knees down in mud (or worse) to get that perfect angle. This doesn't even take into consideration the ability to shoot over crowds. It's a convenience feature, and in certain circumstances it's a huge convenience.

You are correct, I am 28 and have no children. But let me ask you this: how many 80 year olds are shooting weddings every weekend, having their camera battered constantly? At a guess, I would say zero worldwide. As for shooting over crowds, I've never had a problem just aiming above my head..take one shot, then adjust the angle as necessary. Convenience features (which detract from robustness) are best kept for cameras not replied upon by professionals.

Anyway, from all accounts it sounds like the 5DIV won't have a moving screen, so I have nothing to worry about

 

[Orangutan]

It's really not that difficult to crouch down to take a photo. If it really is difficult for you, it's probably time to consider changes to your health rather than expecting camera manufacturers to accomodate your laziness. I like my cameras robust and weather-sealed, without moving parts.

You must be very young and have no children. Otherwise, you'd know that yours is a very parochial assertion. Age catches up with all of us. Some can still crouch down in their 80's, others have problems much earlier. Even those who can may not wish to put knees down in mud (or worse) to get that perfect angle. This doesn't even take into consideration the ability to shoot over crowds. It's a convenience feature, and in certain circumstances it's a huge convenience.

You are correct, I am 28 and have no children. But let me ask you this: how many 80 year olds are shooting weddings every weekend, having their camera battered constantly? At a guess, I would say zero worldwide. As for shooting over crowds, I've never had a problem just aiming above my head..take one shot, then adjust the angle as necessary. Convenience features (which detract from robustness) are best kept for cameras not replied upon by professionals.

Anyway, from all accounts it sounds like the 5DIV won't have a moving screen, so I have nothing to worry about

There are professionals who shoot weddings every weekend with 60D's and 70D's. There are others who say any true pro should buy nothing less than a 1-series (and a second for backup, and 5-series are for emergency backup only). You've told us how you use your camera, and I'm glad for you that you're getting a lot of work. I also respect that you want your equipment to be robust. However, I think Canon makes their feature decisions based on the overall market, not on a few; i.e., if 10% of 5D-bodies are bought by people like you, and 90% by enthusiasts who want a flip-screen on it, the money will point the way. Also, while I don't shoot the way you do, I've hung my 60D and 70D around my neck on many miles of uneven trail, and the screen has never opened when I didn't want it to. The only damage risk is to drop it when you have opened the screen yourself. And regarding weather sealing, the screen joint can probably be made at least as water-resistant as the lens mount and dials.

If Canon wants to add a flip screen to the 5D you can bet it'll be pro-grade.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

It's already been said, but my fingers are crossed for no articulating/tilting screen. It's really not that difficult to crouch down to take a photo. If it really is difficult for you, it's probably time to consider changes to your health rather than expecting camera manufacturers to accomodate your laziness. I like my cameras robust and weather-sealed, without moving parts.

Agree! Anybody know the canon angel finder? Thats how you look through your lense from above! Serious macroshooting has to be tethered anyway. I dont want to focusstack with this tiny lcd in the back. No chance.

That does not mean that for ground level shots, perhaps angled up that you will not have to crouch or even lay down. I've had the canon angle finder, its a poor compromise, I sold it.

 

[slclick]

It's already been said, but my fingers are crossed for no articulating/tilting screen. It's really not that difficult to crouch down to take a photo. If it really is difficult for you, it's probably time to consider changes to your health rather than expecting camera manufacturers to accomodate your laziness. I like my cameras robust and weather-sealed, without moving parts.

Agree! Anybody know the canon angel finder? Thats how you look through your lense from above! Serious macroshooting has to be tethered anyway. I dont want to focusstack with this tiny lcd in the back. No chance.

I take offense to your use of the word 'serious'. I shoot macro and do not stack. It makes my work no less 'serious' than anyone else's.

 

[gsealy]

It's really not that difficult to crouch down to take a photo. If it really is difficult for you, it's probably time to consider changes to your health rather than expecting camera manufacturers to accomodate your laziness. I like my cameras robust and weather-sealed, without moving parts.

You must be very young and have no children. Otherwise, you'd know that yours is a very parochial assertion. Age catches up with all of us. Some can still crouch down in their 80's, others have problems much earlier. Even those who can may not wish to put knees down in mud (or worse) to get that perfect angle. This doesn't even take into consideration the ability to shoot over crowds. It's a convenience feature, and in certain circumstances it's a huge convenience.

You are correct, I am 28 and have no children. But let me ask you this: how many 80 year olds are shooting weddings every weekend, having their camera battered constantly? At a guess, I would say zero worldwide. As for shooting over crowds, I've never had a problem just aiming above my head..take one shot, then adjust the angle as necessary. Convenience features (which detract from robustness) are best kept for cameras not replied upon by professionals.

Anyway, from all accounts it sounds like the 5DIV won't have a moving screen, so I have nothing to worry about

There are professionals who shoot weddings every weekend with 60D's and 70D's. There are others who say any true pro should buy nothing less than a 1-series (and a second for backup, and 5-series are for emergency backup only). You've told us how you use your camera, and I'm glad for you that you're getting a lot of work. I also respect that you want your equipment to be robust. However, I think Canon makes their feature decisions based on the overall market, not on a few; i.e., if 10% of 5D-bodies are bought by people like you, and 90% by enthusiasts who want a flip-screen on it, the money will point the way. Also, while I don't shoot the way you do, I've hung my 60D and 70D around my neck on many miles of uneven trail, and the screen has never opened when I didn't want it to. The only damage risk is to drop it when you have opened the screen yourself. And regarding weather sealing, the screen joint can probably be made at least as water-resistant as the lens mount and dials.

If Canon wants to add a flip screen to the 5D you can bet it'll be pro-grade.

"Convenience features (which detract from robustness) are best kept for cameras not replied upon by professionals. "

What robustness is being detracted with a flip screen? Maybe the guy just likes to hear himself talk. Don't know. I have used flip screens on other cameras, and in certain situations they are extremely handy to have. The screen is configured in such a way that the hard side can be flipped outward to protect the LCD. It can be turned the opposite way so that we have pretty much what we have in the 5DIII now. And then it can be extended and tilted for those awkward shots, either high or low. I would say that is fairly robust solution.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

"Convenience features (which detract from robustness) are best kept for cameras not replied upon by professionals. "

What robustness is being detracted with a flip screen? Maybe the guy just likes to hear himself talk. Don't know. I have used flip screens on other cameras, and in certain situations they are extremely handy to have. The screen is configured in such a way that the hard side can be flipped outward to protect the LCD. It can be turned the opposite way so that we have pretty much what we have in the 5DIII now. And then it can be extended and tilted for those awkward shots, either high or low. I would say that is fairly robust solution.
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I suggest you buy a 60/70D, as they have the floppy screen that you so desire.

 

[Orangutan]

I suggest you buy a 60/70D, as they have the floppy screen that you so desire.

60D/70D are crop-sensor cameras; I think the point is that many people may want a camera with a full-frame sensor that has a flip screen. The most obvious candidates are the 6D and 5D series.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

It's really not that difficult to crouch down to take a photo. If it really is difficult for you, it's probably time to consider changes to your health rather than expecting camera manufacturers to accomodate your laziness. I like my cameras robust and weather-sealed, without moving parts.

You must be very young and have no children. Otherwise, you'd know that yours is a very parochial assertion. Age catches up with all of us. Some can still crouch down in their 80's, others have problems much earlier. Even those who can may not wish to put knees down in mud (or worse) to get that perfect angle. This doesn't even take into consideration the ability to shoot over crowds. It's a convenience feature, and in certain circumstances it's a huge convenience.

You are correct, I am 28 and have no children. But let me ask you this: how many 80 year olds are shooting weddings every weekend, having their camera battered constantly? At a guess, I would say zero worldwide. As for shooting over crowds, I've never had a problem just aiming above my head..take one shot, then adjust the angle as necessary. Convenience features (which detract from robustness) are best kept for cameras not replied upon by professionals.

Anyway, from all accounts it sounds like the 5DIV won't have a moving screen, so I have nothing to worry about

There are professionals who shoot weddings every weekend with 60D's and 70D's. There are others who say any true pro should buy nothing less than a 1-series (and a second for backup, and 5-series are for emergency backup only). You've told us how you use your camera, and I'm glad for you that you're getting a lot of work. I also respect that you want your equipment to be robust. However, I think Canon makes their feature decisions based on the overall market, not on a few; i.e., if 10% of 5D-bodies are bought by people like you, and 90% by enthusiasts who want a flip-screen on it, the money will point the way. Also, while I don't shoot the way you do, I've hung my 60D and 70D around my neck on many miles of uneven trail, and the screen has never opened when I didn't want it to. The only damage risk is to drop it when you have opened the screen yourself. And regarding weather sealing, the screen joint can probably be made at least as water-resistant as the lens mount and dials.

If Canon wants to add a flip screen to the 5D you can bet it'll be pro-grade.

"Convenience features (which detract from robustness) are best kept for cameras not replied upon by professionals. "

What robustness is being detracted with a flip screen? Maybe the guy just likes to hear himself talk. Don't know. I have used flip screens on other cameras, and in certain situations they are extremely handy to have. The screen is configured in such a way that the hard side can be flipped outward to protect the LCD. It can be turned the opposite way so that we have pretty much what we have in the 5DIII now. And then it can be extended and tilted for those awkward shots, either high or low. I would say that is fairly robust solution.

What robustness is is being detracted from a flip screen? Ah, the 6mm thick lcd panel dangling off the side of the camera?

 

[Proscribo]

What robustness is is being detracted from a flip screen? Ah, the 6mm thick lcd panel dangling off the side of the camera?

No professional who needs a robust camera will ever buy a DSLR: when the lens isn't connected, all kind of dirt gets inside when working in a dusty enviroment, or even worse: water gets in if it's raining. No amount of sealing etc. can stop that.


???

 

[Donkey_Kong]

What robustness is is being detracted from a flip screen? Ah, the 6mm thick lcd panel dangling off the side of the camera?

No professional who needs a robust camera will ever buy a DSLR: when the lens isn't connected, all kind of dirt gets inside when working in a dusty enviroment, or even worse: water gets in if it's raining. No amount of sealing etc. can stop that.


???

I'm not sure what you're driving at, at all. You seem confused. Changing lenses is an essential part of being a photographer. Flip screens are for mobile phones of yesteryear.

 

[Proscribo]

What robustness is is being detracted from a flip screen? Ah, the 6mm thick lcd panel dangling off the side of the camera?

No professional who needs a robust camera will ever buy a DSLR: when the lens isn't connected, all kind of dirt gets inside when working in a dusty enviroment, or even worse: water gets in if it's raining. No amount of sealing etc. can stop that.


???

I'm not sure what you're driving at, at all. You seem confused. Changing lenses is an essential part of being a photographer. Flip screens are for mobile phones of yesteryear.

That's my point. Why would any sane person who needs a robust camera use a DSLR, when it fails every time when changing lens in (heavy) rain for example.


???

 

[Orangutan]

What robustness is is being detracted from a flip screen? Ah, the 6mm thick lcd panel dangling off the side of the camera?

The two key facts you seem to be looking past:

• The lcd screen doesn't dangle off the side if you don't open it intentionally: the mechanism keeps it firmly in place.
• The flip screen, when closed, is far less likely to compromise the system than the lens mount (huge hole) or dials (sealing)

A flip screen probably does not significantly compromise the robustness of the body unless you're willfully harsh with your equipment.

 

[Maiaibing]

What robustness is is being detracted from a flip screen? Ah, the 6mm thick lcd panel dangling off the side of the camera?

The two key facts you seem to be looking past:

• The lcd screen doesn't dangle off the side if you don't open it intentionally: the mechanism keeps it firmly in place.
• The flip screen, when closed, is far less likely to compromise the system than the lens mount (huge hole) or dials (sealing)

A flip screen probably does not significantly compromise the robustness of the body unless you're willfully harsh with your equipment.

Hmmm.... To me LensRentals solved the ıssue. Based on theır massıve rental busıness they see no more faılures wıth flıp screens than fıxed screens. Sınce the ıncreased damage rısk thus seems to be an ırratıonal and ıl-ınformed fear I personally prefer havıng the added utılıty a flıp screen adds to any camera ıncludıng my next FF DSLR.

 

[midluk]

Hmmm.... To me LensRentals solved the ıssue. Based on theır massıve rental busıness they see no more faılures wıth flıp screens than fıxed screens. Sınce the ıncreased damage rısk thus seems to be an ırratıonal and ıl-ınformed fear I personally prefer havıng the added utılıty a flıp screen adds to any camera ıncludıng my next FF DSLR.

With that sorted out, the main problem remaining are the buttons left of the screen of the 5D series cameras that would have to go somewhere else.

 

[slclick]

5D series will have no flippy, end of discussion

6D series has many of us hoping for one, no promises there however. But that is a much more relevant discussion and the funny thing is there are multiple threads related to it and the 6D possibilities bring much more tolerant and mature debate.

 

[Vivid Color]

I'm more excited by the 24-105 Mk2!

Me too!

 

[tron]

So there is a CR3 that there will be a 5DMkIV announcement with a CR1 feature list ;D Excellent

 

[TAF]

What robustness is is being detracted from a flip screen? Ah, the 6mm thick lcd panel dangling off the side of the camera?

No professional who needs a robust camera will ever buy a DSLR: when the lens isn't connected, all kind of dirt gets inside when working in a dusty enviroment, or even worse: water gets in if it's raining. No amount of sealing etc. can stop that.


???

And yet the Nikonos, which managed to solve all those problems, didn't really sell that well.

(I had one for just the above cited reasons - best beach camera ever)

Where's the digital version!

Come on, Canon, one-up your cross country rival with their own concept reimagined.

 

[colorblinded]

I'm more excited by the 24-105 Mk2!

Me too!

I love my 24-105 but if they make noticeable improvements, I could see upgrading.

 

[AshtonNekolah]

Wonderful news !! Just in time for most of the wedding season to have passed for haha!
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on a serious note, wifi control is a must have , better ISO another must have , two CF flash slots would be nice or at least a faster SD slot.
www.andrew-davies.com

Wedding season varies around the world. Right now in Texas, we are at a low point. Its HOT here! But I'm hoping maybe to have it for the tail end of my fall season which starts to kick in mid-Sept through Nov. I have one wedding booked in late Jan and another highly likely the following day too.
Better ISO is my number one priority. I shoot events at iso 2000 to 2500 very regularly and if the quality at that level would double! Woohoo!!! Wifi & GPS and one Cfast slot/one SD are pretty solid on the expected feature list at this point. My dream feature is an optional EVF comparable to the EVFs on the mirrorless competition.

I for one will like to see EVF, GPS, built in wifi backward CF and Cfast slot or even a miro sd slot making it the first camera with 3 slots for cards, the time is now not another 5 years, and zebras in the menu more focus point not that i care about it, i never use all the focus points anyway. what do you shoot for you to be going so high in iso 1/2000 of a sec at 6:50pm and latter on a 400mm 5.6?