Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]
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douglaurent said:
In other words, you have no answer
As I said in my first post, I would be happy if a lot of the things you mention were included but I an't gonna switch systems because they are missing.
The points I specifically mentioned are ones that are either meaningless or cannot be implemented (like putting Canon EF-S lens on FF body).
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douglaurent said:
Well, then...just give Canon your list. I'm sure they'll immediately address all 20 of your critically lacking features.
The idea here is that it might help you understand why Canon doesn't feel the need to include the features for which you or any other particular individual are clamoring. Not sure why you can't seem to grasp that features to include/exclude are a business decision, and in the case of Canon cameras, it's Canon's business decision.
All you can decide is whether or not to purchase Canon's products. Given that you've decided to purchase many of them and continue to do so, the message you personally are sending to Canon is that they're meeting your needs. Yes, I know you said you'd have bought more if they had features you wanted...but Canon doesn't give a crap, they have no way of confirming that (other than your word, which isn't even worth the electrons you're using to transmit it). You buy their stuff – along with their millions of other customers – and you confirm their business decisions.
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YellowJersey said:
Amen! I could care less about video features as well. Sure there a lot of little specs I would like to see improved, max flash sync, FPS, max shutter, etc.
But the most important is the focus sytem. Improve that and I'm in. Sensor improvement would be 2nd on my list and I fully expect to see the 80D/1D/5D improvements so that should be a given.
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If the 5DIV is anything to go by (or the Panasonic LUMIX GH4 for that matter), 4K will be next to useless (without an external recorder). It will require a crop factor to be able to record at a decent resolution, the record time will be very short and the file sizes huge. I'd rather the 6DII have a clean HDMI output but I very much doubt it considering the 5DIV (for now) doesn't have one. Canon are either in the DSLR video game or not - not this half arsed attempt they're giving us.
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jedy said:
They are definitely in it, the question is whose needs are they designing for. From the pro/semi pro (or very enthusiastic amateur) videographer clearly not them. But probably OK for the casual videographer ie a very very (very?) high percentage of the target market. And in leaving it at that they are keeping the price down while concentrating on other features Ones that cameras like Sony are not as good at).
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neuroanatomist said:
It doesn't does it!
A camera costing 3,500 bucks. Then incorporate 20 market leading functions taking the total cost to...what....4,000+? Alienate more of the core market and...watch douglaurent and AvTvM not buy it because it is too expensive.
The Canon marketing men clearly don't know their job. Tch!
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Well I use DSLR's on a rig setup (and a cine camera a couple of times) and I can tell you DSLR's like the GH4, A7s and the 5DIII are most definitely being used by the pro/semi pro videographer - especially with external monitor/recorders. I very much doubt Canon's full frame cameras are being bought by casual videographers as there are plenty of cheaper options. If Canon sees video as nothing more than amateur, why bother with 4K? Considering the cost of cine cameras, there is definitely a market for a decent DSLR video setup for the semi pro on a budget (DSLR's are no replacement for a good cine camera for a variety of reasons). This market is being lost to Panasonic and Sony. I'd be quite happy if Canon went the A7s route and designed a reasonably priced full frame DSLR that's optimised for video.Mikehit said:
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Luds34 said:scyrene said:
ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!
All of the complaining about adding video, or 4K, to DSLRs is coming from people who don't understand video, and can't grasp the benefits it brings even for photographers. Probably the same people who said "don't put this amateur auto-focus thing in my camera, I'm a pro I can manual focus" over 30 years ago.
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dilbert said:
BTW ... we're seeing the same lame objection to AF in video coming for the video "professionals" today as we did from photographers 30 years ago. Now they, too, are wearing egg all over their faces as Canon is already providing video DPAF that beats anything a professional focus puller can do, and that's only the beginning of AF for video.
It seems that a little imagination is too much to ask from some "professionals."
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neuroanatomist said:
Lol ... that wasn't the complaint from pros of the time of course. Today Pros eek and ooohh over every improvement in AF performance for photography, when not long ago they scoffed-at and mocked anyone who talked about AF.
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neuroanatomist said:
That's the same problem I have with the Canon cinema series cameras. Which is why I'd love high quality video on their DSLRs.
Imagine as a photographer that Canon builds a new DSLR with 8bit jpeg photos and no raw, no hot shoe for flashes, photos that can only be shot using a 1.7x crop of the sensor while it has a full frame sensor in it. Or it can shoot full frame but only photos that are 1/4th the resolution of your computer monitor. Then they only give you the LCD on the back to see with, no OVF/EVF. They also routinely leave out software features that makes things easier for you as a photographers. Features that pretty much every other manufacturer includes. On top of all that, they're asking $3500 for this new camera.
Meanwhile their competitors are giving you most of the specs you're looking and sometimes at less than half the price Canon is asking. Would you not be like "WTF are you doing Canon?"
Now you begin to understand the frustration that Canon DSLR video shooters face.
Then we come on forums like this and people say "just buy a C series camera" as if we can all just afford $5000+ dollar cameras. That would be like me coming on here and telling you that because you want better IQ you should just spend $9000+ on a new digital medium format camera. Or we get "do you really need resolution that fills your whole monitor?" to which the answer is yes. Yes we do. Some of us already have 4K TVs and computer monitors and even those us that don't, understand we get better looking HD video from downsampled 4K video. It's shaper and more defined than the mushy Canon HD video that comes off most of their DSLRs.
I get that not every photog wants video on their cameras. I get it. But until Canon starts building us dedicated video DSLRs at the same price points as photo DSLRs, you're going to have to put up with us.
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