Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk & Updated Roadmap [CR2]

[jedy]

Well that's a year from now plus another year for the price to come down. I mainly use my 6D in a professional capacity for video - believe me, for web documentaries, it's more than capable with its 1080p and the lack of moire filter really isn't an issue. This rumoured timeframe is making me appreciate what I already have, even if it's not the best in the current market as I cannot wait around that long for a new camera that may or may not offer some beneficial feature upgrades for my needs. The main feature that I find lacking in the current 6D is the fairly poor autofocus system. Other than that, it takes fantastic photos (20MP is perfectly fine) and the video quality is more than enough for current internet streaming. Canon are getting boring keeping us waiting for new equipment (50mm 1.4 springs to mind).

 

[Takingshots]

This is a disappointment but not really a surprise. I do not plan on buying a new Canon Camera until the 6D II comes out. It is a size issue, the 6D body size is far more convenient for me. I cannot see buying a 5D/7D size camera for general purpose use. They are just two big. The 6D is about the perfect size.

But if the 5D IV has 32 MP an articulating screen and it is a baby 1D X it could replace my 7D II for birds. If the 5D IV does not have those then I am not really interested. I keep considering a 5Dsr but do not want to carry it.

So how much more Sony equipment am I going to buy before they release the 6DII. And will I still care when they do. I still think Canon should consider releasing two cameras that have the same features but simple different body sizes. 5D IV and a compact 5D model. But what do I know. There are plenty of users on here that want the 5D cameras to have 1D bodies.

Well said. Give people the choice and their spec preferences with the budget they could afford to purchase either 6D MKii or 5D mk iv. So Canon what are you waiting for. U snooze u lose ...

 

[OrangeBjorn]

2017 for the 6DII? Guess I'm going shopping for the 6D tomorrow

 

[scyrene]

Canon are getting boring keeping us waiting for new equipment (50mm 1.4 springs to mind).

We could each pick a product we personally would like to see updated tomorrow. Some would be chosen by more than others (I'm sure the 50mm would be one). But it's not as if they're not releasing new stuff - plenty of lenses and camera bodies have come out in the last couple of years. It's hardly fair to say they're boring just because they haven't released the thing YOU want. Also they have released a new 50mm lens recently, it's just not the precise model you're after.

 

[scyrene]

I probably shouldn't feed the trolls, but...

My 6D has very poor DR

No it doesn't. It's not as high as some other cameras, but it is perfectly capable of excellent photographs at both low and high ISO. If you cannot take good photos with a 6D under most circumstances, you are not a capable photographer and should probably do something else.

1D-X Mark II has no DR improvement and if still has thats going to be a little.

As even DPR admit, the 1DxII (and 80D) has improved DR at low ISO compared to older Canon cameras, and likely greater DR than its direct rival, the Nikon D5, which has been optimised for high ISO performance.

So im still waiting for a miracle from them and still nothing!

Nah, you've just not been paying attention.

I wish Im wrong

You are.

 

[bluenoser1993]

I don't really care about 4K or DPAF, but the 6D should have at least the 80D's AF system, improved sensor, and slightly more MP's. Just those things alone would make it worth it. Added bonus would be DPAF with touchscreen capabilities, which would make it nice for macro work. I just hope the price is reasonable.

Looking at the timing of the 6D, it was announced 2 years after the 60D and they shared similar autofocus. If the 6D Mark II was announced tomorrow, my guess is the autofocus would be more like the 70D. The longer we wait for the 6D II announcement, the better chance that the autofocus will resemble the 80D.

 

[Ozarker]

Its very sad every time to wait Canon to make the announcement and that never happens and goes for later and later and later...! 4 years have passed, every other company has refresh once and twice their cameras with very latest technology and we still wait! I paid 5k for C100 Mark II that except the ergonomics, its already out of competition without even a firmware to give at least 10-bit and 4k release.My 6D has very poor DR and the F______ next model will never come.What keeps me still its the L glass and nothing else.No evolution, no DR, no high frame rates in terms of video.1D-X Mark II has no DR i D2 for sure! They don't want to hurt their flagship DSLR.
So im still waiting for a miracle from them and still nothing! I wish Im wrong and next days to have good news.. at least from a MILC ff camera that will lead the way from now on.

I think many people assume the flagship makes canon more money. I don't believe so. The crop sensor lines are probably mountains of money more profitable. They probably sell hundreds of thousands more units at a higher profit margin. The price of the equipment has nothing to do with profitability. That's just my way of thinking.

 

[jebrady03]

Looking at the timing of the 6D, it was announced 2 years after the 60D and they shared similar autofocus. If the 6D Mark II was announced tomorrow, my guess is the autofocus would be more like the 70D. The longer we wait for the 6D II announcement, the better chance that the autofocus will resemble the 80D.

60D August 2010
70D July 2013
6D September 2012

The 6D was announced closer to the 70D than the 60D, but still before the 70D. I also don't feel like they share a similar autofocus array. The 60D has 9 cross type points with the center being dual cross type at f/2.8. The 6D has 1 cross type point (center) with -3EV capability and 10 single line (vertical OR horizontal, depending on the location) points. Other than the minimal number of points and the center point being the most impressive point - both of which are fairly generic occurrences, they don't really share any similarities.

Believe it or not, the 6D shares more similarities with the AF system of the Rebel T3i. The T3i has 2 less points and the center point is only -.5EV sensitive, otherwise they spec out basically the same.

The T3i was announced in February of 2011 (T4i in June 2012), roughly a year and a half prior to the 6D - meaning the T3i had already been replaced when the 6D was announced. So, if we assume that the 6D Mark II will have an AF system which has 20% more AF points than the prior generation "high end" Rebel, and if we also assume that the 6D Mark II will be announced next year, then more than likely the comparator would be the T6i/T6s as those were announced Feb 2015 and will likely be replaced in 6-10 months. So, if we increase the number of AF points by 20%, we're up to 23 AF points. Except now, all AF points are cross-type but unlike the 70D (AFAIK), the center AF point is NOT dual cross type.

IF we assume the above is correct, I would expect the 6D AF to spec out like this...
-23 cross type points (maybe 25 so they could do a 5x5 arrangement)
-Center AF point sensitive down to -4EV (Canon mentioned in the 6D announcement that -3EV was the best of all of their current cameras so I would assume they would want to follow that legacy)

Having said that, I'm with you... I'd MUCH rather see an AF system similar to the 80D. But I think the 6D would need to move "upmarket" for that to happen - which is something that has been rumored, so it might happen.

 

[pedro]

Well, just purchased a 6D end of January this year. I am very happy with it. Quite intresting will be the FF mirrorless announcement in my eyes. Hope they put a new 20 MP sensor into it. Could be a nice low light high ISO cam for astroscapes and city night scapes...

 

[ahsanford]

Canon are getting boring keeping us waiting for new equipment (50mm 1.4 springs to mind).

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Also they have released a new 50mm lens recently, it's just not the precise model you're after.

Sure, but it's not like that 50 f/1.8 STM is missing just one thing I want in a 50 -- it's missing just about everything I want in a 50. In fact, the only thing it has in common with the 50 I actually want is the focal length and the EF mount.

To tell us something close to what we wanted coming out is not far from telling the impatiently waiting 6D2 camp that they should chill out because the 80D just dropped.

- A

 

[slclick]

I probably shouldn't feed the trolls, but...

My 6D has very poor DR

No it doesn't. It's not as high as some other cameras, but it is perfectly capable of excellent photographs at both low and high ISO. If you cannot take good photos with a 6D under most circumstances, you are not a capable photographer and should probably do something else.

1D-X Mark II has no DR improvement and if still has thats going to be a little.

As even DPR admit, the 1DxII (and 80D) has improved DR at low ISO compared to older Canon cameras, and likely greater DR than its direct rival, the Nikon D5, which has been optimised for high ISO performance.

So im still waiting for a miracle from them and still nothing!

Nah, you've just not been paying attention.

I wish Im wrong

You are.

Dustin stated the 6D has HIGHER DR than the 5D3.

 

[rrcphoto]

Scyrene keep your mouth close and don't hurry to make conclusions about a few opinions that they don't serve what you want to hear!

well he was right .. the 1DX II will have significant DR improvement, the 6D has good, just not great DR, and the 80D is certainly an improvement.

perhaps you should have followed your own advice.

you spent thousands? we care? we all have.

 

[Loswr]

...a few opinions that they don't serve what you want to hear!

You're welcome to share your opinion, even if the facts don't support it.

It is unacceptable to not be able to solve 2-3 critical matters to Photography world when all the other brands are fighting with all their power by giving innovation and latest technology.

Well, unacceptable to you personally, at any rate. Because, the

...5d3 is still selling very good as very good still overall performer!

So, clearly lots of people find it perfectly acceptable, most importantly Canon.

 

[StudentOfLight]

It would be typical idiot canon to drop Dpaf, dual card slots and 4k from a camera that is supposed to move up market.

You do realize that this is their entry level full frame camera... right?

What does an entry level camera need to provide?

 

[Loswr]

Dustin stated the 6D has HIGHER DR than the 5D3.

Yeah, but it's still poor. The Internet says so. :

 

[rrcphoto]

Dustin stated the 6D has HIGHER DR than the 5D3.

Yeah, but it's still poor. The Internet says so. :

it's not poor.

canon has unusable DR, can't shoot anything with it.. if you can't shoot in one shot a nuclear blast through dappled forest leaves then you may as well punt the thing and get a sony.

 

[ahsanford]

It would be typical idiot canon to drop Dpaf, dual card slots and 4k from a camera that is supposed to move up market.

You do realize that this is their entry level full frame camera... right?

What does an entry level camera need to provide?

Exactly what the 6D1 delivered -- a solid FF sensor and not much more.

But now Canon has a ton more competition in this space: Nikon has the D6XX line, Pentax is offering a 5d/D8XX-level of tech at a 6D/D6XX price, and 'entry-level FF' is in Sony's enthusiast wheelhouse to pull folks over to mirrorless.

So Canon has to offer a little more this time around. I'm not saying 'people will bolt if the 6D2 is watered down' so much as people might not even invest in Canon in the first place if the 6D2 is watered down.

Consider the amateur that feels too limited by their (say) very old Canon T2i, Nikon D90, A6000, etc. and only owns 1-3 lenses. It's not entirely improbable to see someone gin up a 'Consumer Reports'-like spreadsheet with a K1, D610/D620, 6D1/6D2, Sony A7 II, etc. and assess the overall value proposition.

- A

 

[scyrene]

I probably shouldn't feed the trolls, but...

My 6D has very poor DR

No it doesn't. It's not as high as some other cameras, but it is perfectly capable of excellent photographs at both low and high ISO. If you cannot take good photos with a 6D under most circumstances, you are not a capable photographer and should probably do something else.

1D-X Mark II has no DR improvement and if still has thats going to be a little.

As even DPR admit, the 1DxII (and 80D) has improved DR at low ISO compared to older Canon cameras, and likely greater DR than its direct rival, the Nikon D5, which has been optimised for high ISO performance.

So im still waiting for a miracle from them and still nothing!

Nah, you've just not been paying attention.

I wish Im wrong

You are.

Scyrene keep your mouth close and don't hurry to make conclusions about a few opinions that they don't serve what you want to hear!
I have spend thousands of Euros for my Canon equipment all these years and Im still on the same boat!
I know very well the strengths and weaknesses of my chosen Brand all these years and Im expecting more from a company which is the worldwide leader in camera market all these years.It is unacceptable to not be able to solve 2-3 critical matters to Photography world when all the other brands are fighting with all their power by giving innovation and latest technology.What Im asking is faster replacements in DSLR line up and not so much scrimpiness when it comes to adoption in technology.Is that so hard for Canon?
Rumors every were suggesting at the end of 2015 that we will see 5d4 at March, then maybe at NAB cause the camera may have amazing video features, now we are talking for August.They don't because 5d3 is still selling very good as very good still overall performer! and with the delay of 5d4 the 6d2 is going at the same time for later also.
Finally as an owner of C100 Mark II I was expecting a lets call it a gift from Canon at NAB lets say.

P.S. Sorry for my English.

Your English is fine, it's your opinions that are the problem.

Yeah you may well have spent thousands on Canon gear - so have many of us - but that doesn't make you an expert. I have pointed out some factual errors in your previous assertions - for instance that Canon sensors have not increased DR (at base ISO) in recent models, and you ignored them. That is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. "It is unacceptable to not be able to solve 2-3 critical matters to Photography world (sic)" - if you can show how Canon cameras are unable to produce good results in most circumstances then you might have a point. I contend that you cannot, because those 'critical matters' are actually marginal differences between brands - the base DR differences are only noticeable in high contrast situations, or if you want to push shadows a lot, for instance.

 

[scyrene]

Canon are getting boring keeping us waiting for new equipment (50mm 1.4 springs to mind).

[truncated]

Also they have released a new 50mm lens recently, it's just not the precise model you're after.

Sure, but it's not like that 50 f/1.8 STM is missing just one thing I want in a 50 -- it's missing just about everything I want in a 50. In fact, the only thing it has in common with the 50 I actually want is the focal length and the EF mount.

To tell us something close to what we wanted coming out is not far from telling the impatiently waiting 6D2 camp that they should chill out because the 80D just dropped.

- A

Well done for shoehorning that image in

What you want hasn't yet been delivered. But Canon has produced a new 50mm lens in the last year, which is what I said. So...

 

[ahsanford]

But now Canon has a ton more competition in this space: Nikon has the D6XX line, Pentax is offering a 5d/D8XX-level of tech at a 6D/D6XX price, and 'entry-level FF' is in Sony's enthusiast wheelhouse to pull folks over to mirrorless.

So Canon has to offer a little more this time around. I'm not saying 'people will bolt if the 6D2 is watered down' so much as people might not even invest in Canon in the first place if the 6D2 is watered down.

...but if anyone thinks the 6D2 is going to have some 1DX2/5D4-level AF system, you are high as a kite.

The AF system, max shutter speed, burst rate, buffer size, viewfinder coverage, doodad connections, cultural cache, radiative awesomeness, etc. will all be nerfed in comparison to the 5D line, which in turn will be (much less) nerfed in comparison to the 1D line.

The $64,000 question is if Canon sees the 6D2 like a future Nikon D610 (basic, solid, good) vs. a future Nikon D750 (has some D810 sexyness in places, but not everywhere). Those are two different cameras with two very different value propositions.

- A