people always say the 7d range is a great wildlife camera,im sure it is, af, long reach etc. but surely image quality should be paramount? otherwise why dont all wildlife photographers carry 7d's?
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Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
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gnd said:
Now you know how the 5d2 owners felt after they bought the camera and 1 year later the 7D came out with better body, FPS, better video, AF, etc.... then again, from a marketing point, it's ingenious... it encourages envy and want, which ultimately has people opening their pocket books for XYZ features.... launching both at once, a photographer may buy 1 of them... you space them out, a photographer may buy 1 of each...
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Jrista, you're always full of useful information! Could the shutter button be a factor also? Seems like the 7D, the 5D3, and even the 1D4 I rented...have a shutter release with no satisfying "click" once you go from half press to full press. For stationary birds with my 50D, I just always use center point and single shot mode rather than servo, and use multiple half presses...the focus gets extremely sharp then. Servo mode does work for moving targets, but obviously nothing like as well as the 7D.
But to use the multiple half press technique, you need to feel it going in and out of half press...which I could hardly ever do with the 1D4 or the 5D3...and the 7D I tried briefly felt the same way.
Have you found the 7D able to AF in very low light (25 minutes after sunset)? My 50D can do this extremely well, far better than the 1D4 did...of course both with only center point selected. I even got very accurate focus at times of like 10 minutes after sunset, when I rented the Canon 400 f/5.6 prime, on my 50D.
Given the price of over $2k for a 7D2, I would certainly rather go for a 6D or 5D3...but what if a 70D inherits an AF similar to the current 7D, and for barely a higher price than the old 7D sells for now? It seems to me, that a 70D full of the features we want, at the nice price...is the crop camera to get. Of course if it's just like the 60D with the same feature set, lack of AFMA, and all the other Rebel features that suck...then avoid it at all costs!
But to use the multiple half press technique, you need to feel it going in and out of half press...which I could hardly ever do with the 1D4 or the 5D3...and the 7D I tried briefly felt the same way.
Have you found the 7D able to AF in very low light (25 minutes after sunset)? My 50D can do this extremely well, far better than the 1D4 did...of course both with only center point selected. I even got very accurate focus at times of like 10 minutes after sunset, when I rented the Canon 400 f/5.6 prime, on my 50D.
Given the price of over $2k for a 7D2, I would certainly rather go for a 6D or 5D3...but what if a 70D inherits an AF similar to the current 7D, and for barely a higher price than the old 7D sells for now? It seems to me, that a 70D full of the features we want, at the nice price...is the crop camera to get. Of course if it's just like the 60D with the same feature set, lack of AFMA, and all the other Rebel features that suck...then avoid it at all costs!
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Dart23 said:jimjamesjimmy said:
Actually, all wildlife photographers did carry the 7d, but then the 6d came out and they all figured it must be a better camera because the number was lower, so now they ALL own 6d's... :
makes sense to me,dont tell them theres a 5d because they might presume thats a better camera too!
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Dart23 said:jimjamesjimmy said:
Actually, all wildlife photographers did carry the 7d, but then the 6d came out and they all figured it must be a better camera because the number was lower, so now they ALL own 6d's... :
Don't you just wish you had my 0.5D... puts the 1Dx to shame!
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viggen61 said:
I laughed when I read this post..... At the moment, I have a GoPro camera on a tripod about two feet away from the bird feeder and am controlling it from an iPad, while sitting inside on a comfy chair, cat on my lap, cup of tea on the table... and if the 7D2 has wifi, that will be my first use for it.
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jimjamesjimmy said:
Sometimes it matters more to be able to carry the camera.... A 1DX and a 600f4 will take better pictures than a 7D and a 400f5.6..... but if you have to carry it on your back for a week, plus tent, sleeping bag, food, etc... that lighter and smaller camera/lens combination looks pretty attractive.
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DanielW said:Viggo said:
Well, let's hope you're wrong!
The rumour is "ISO Performance to get close to the 5D3"... So just imagine what the 5D4 and the 1DXXX will have for specs. ( the 1DXXX will be an obscene price
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DanielW said:Viggo said:
Well, let's hope you're wrong!
My heart says he is wrong, my heads says he is right....
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With such a camera, I think 24mp is overkill. The 18 was fine, i like the speed specs of it but the only real thing that would attract me is improved ISO performance. 10fps would be beautiful for me, but id much rather have the pro body of a 1d III or 1d iv.
the 1.6x crop factor interests me as well as i miss that extra reach i had after my 60D was exchanged for a 5D III, but i could never hold the 60d without feeling as if its just electronic plastic on my hands.
the 1.6x crop factor interests me as well as i miss that extra reach i had after my 60D was exchanged for a 5D III, but i could never hold the 60d without feeling as if its just electronic plastic on my hands.
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Brandon, I think you should buy a 1D4. Equals 25 MP resolution on a full frame, but of course, cropped off down to 16MP. I enjoyed the one I rented...noise not much worse than a 5D3 from ISO 1600 through 6400. Above that it's significantly worse...below 1600, probably slightly worse. Unless you shoot wider than 85mm most of the time, (or at higher ISO most of the time) it's the one to get. Let's face it, it will be 2016 before Canon introduce a full frame sensor with similar (or slightly finer) pixel density to the 1D4. Sure, they'll introduce a full frame with very tiny pixels, but that won't be all that useful outside a studio, or for fast paced work, or for low light/fast work...and it will cost $9k or more.
They have spread out all of their bodies so that even ones like the 1D4, that got discontinued, aren't really getting displaced. A good strategy.
They have spread out all of their bodies so that even ones like the 1D4, that got discontinued, aren't really getting displaced. A good strategy.
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Don Haines said:DanielW said:Viggo said:
Well, let's hope you're wrong!
The rumour is "ISO Performance to get close to the 5D3"... So just imagine what the 5D4 and the 1DXXX will have for specs. ( the 1DXXX will be an obscene price
So just imagine what the 5D4 will have for specs...That's about what I thought. If this sensor tech is quite improved compared to other crop cams, then I dare to dream of quite a decent improvment in the next few years. My next cam won't be a 5D4 (my 5D3 is a tremendous cam) but somewhere down the road there will be a 5D5 or whatever they'll call it by then...And I guess, there will be new sensor tech within it, that will just blow us away... 8) till then...happy shooting...Cheers, Pedro
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I hear ya. I'm very happy with my 5DIII but there's quite likely to be something very tempting about the 5D4 etc... else why would they bother making it.pedro said:Don Haines said:DanielW said:Viggo said:
Well, let's hope you're wrong!
The rumour is "ISO Performance to get close to the 5D3"... So just imagine what the 5D4 and the 1DXXX will have for specs. ( the 1DXXX will be an obscene price
So just imagine what the 5D4 will have for specs...That's about what I thought. If this sensor tech is quite improved compared to other crop cams, then I dare to dream of quite a decent improvment in the next few years. My next cam won't be a 5D4 (my 5D3 is a tremendous cam) but somewhere down the road there will be a 5D5 or whatever they'll call it by then...And I guess, there will be new sensor tech within it, that will just blow us away... 8) till then...happy shooting...Cheers, Pedro
However, it won't be too many more years before weight will become an important consideration for me. At which point I hope they would have made some major breakthroughs in small, light cameras.
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The traders are waiting for the new crop series (Nikon & Canon,..) as an cash-cow for x-mas business.
I read in the www that Nikon will release their new crop camera in summer 2013: In July in China or maybe in September in Berlin. Buyable soon after the release.
So, Canon will release it in the same timeframe, otherwise they will miss X-mas business.
In Germany the rumors are about 2100-2500 € (? 2 versions with/without GPS/WIFI???)
Then wait until spring and buy it.....
I read in the www that Nikon will release their new crop camera in summer 2013: In July in China or maybe in September in Berlin. Buyable soon after the release.
So, Canon will release it in the same timeframe, otherwise they will miss X-mas business.
In Germany the rumors are about 2100-2500 € (? 2 versions with/without GPS/WIFI???)
Then wait until spring and buy it.....
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jimjamesjimmy said:
Some people literally have piles of money to BURN.
Or, they are professionals....Everyone who uses a 7D would probably prefer to have a pair of 1D X's, one with an 800mm f/5.6 L IS and another with the 600mm f/4 L IS II on a 2x TC, both sitting on a pair of Series 5 Gitzo tripods. But...not everyone has forty grand to blow on the gear of their dreams. To get the kind of reach you must have when using FF, you can achieve with something like the 7D and a 400mm or 500mm lens for FAR less cost.
I'd own the very kit I mentioned above, along with a 500mm f/4 L IS II, 300mm f/2.8 L IS II, both TCs, one of those nice new land rovers with the panoramic windows, etc. if I had the option. Sadly, my funds are far more limited than that, and I've wrestled with the idea of buying the 600mm f/4 L II for about 9 months now, and still can't really bring myself to pull the trigger.
Some people just have money to burn. For the rest, the 7D with its high-density sensor and amazing reach factor, and a 100-400mm lens, fills the role of "baby 1D" quite well.
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Wow, eleven pages on this already.
For the past decade I have been a shameless fan of x1.3 APS-H sensor bodies, and as my very hard working 1D4 approached it's best-by date, the 7DII as described sounds like a giant killer.
Like plenty of photographers the 7DII is a very high interest item. If the price & specs are as indicated I'll get two of them. This sort of performance plus the x1.6 APS-C crop means I won't have to go and spend $6K on a 1DX and $11K on a 400 f/2.8isII as my 300 f/2.8is will have the reach I need on APS-C.
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For the past decade I have been a shameless fan of x1.3 APS-H sensor bodies, and as my very hard working 1D4 approached it's best-by date, the 7DII as described sounds like a giant killer.
Like plenty of photographers the 7DII is a very high interest item. If the price & specs are as indicated I'll get two of them. This sort of performance plus the x1.6 APS-C crop means I won't have to go and spend $6K on a 1DX and $11K on a 400 f/2.8isII as my 300 f/2.8is will have the reach I need on APS-C.
-PW
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