Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed

[whothafunk]

i wonder how much that body will cost in the € zone... 1500 € ?

Hahaha! That's a good one. Usually it's converted $=€, and if its $1800 in the US, its gonna be at least €1800, which is approx. $2330. It always was and it always will be like that.

 

[MR. CRYPY]

What's with the bulge in front of the hot shoe, btw ??

GPS

 

[MR. CRYPY]

bring on the "OH NOES, 70D SENSOR!" flamers.

NOP, same MP count, but brand new tech

 

[Quackator]

Let's hope for Wifi in a dongle like the 1-Dx hast, or in a grip
like some models before, and NOT in a brick like for the 5D Mk3.

 

[suburbia]

Hi,

IF RGB + IR does not refer to metering but the image sensor,
THEN this is the most interesting camera of the last 15 years.

I think I need one.

Yes... very interesting if mean the imaging sensor... does it mean can took IR image without mod the camera?? If so... very interesting indeed....

Have a nice day.

Count me as another that finds this to be a very interesting feature, if it is the image sensor.

Overall, this sounds like a potentially excellent camera. But, we should wait and see if there is new technology especially sensor tech. You can only tell so much by a spec list.

Hi,
Look like it's the metering sensor...
Hmm... just wonder why metering sensor need to detect IR?? Meter subject that give out heat??

Have a nice day.

Metering using IR creates more accurate colour tones especially animal skin apparently. Useful for wildlife photography?

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Sounds like a nice camera. I hope that Canon sells a lot of them

I am sure that pretty much any photographer would be able to take some nice photographs with this camera.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Is the 70D that much behind the competition in terms if image quality? Is it really hideous compared to say a D7100, K3, Nex A6000 with much lower dynamic range, ISO performance and resolution?

No, it's really not - the 70D's is an excellent sensor, and one capable of superb image quality across the range.

it has a 68 DXO score while 90% of the other APS-C sensors beat that (even m43 sensors) i hardly call that excellent.

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Canon/EOS-70D

but maybe fanboys ignore that.

Yes I ignore these numbers and judge image quality based on, well, images. What's the best APS-C sensor on the market right now? Sony's 24Mps sensor inside the D7100, D5300, A6000, etc? You, people of the internet, seem to claim it's significantly higher in resolution that it dwarfs the 70Ds resolution, and various stops cleaner at high ISOs, and various stops higher in dynamic range. DxO numbers claim it's 30-40% better than the 70D and this is the source of these claims.

Here look at how the situation is in real life: D7100 vs 70D. This is an objective test and for you to make your own judgment.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-70d/16

Can you see a resolution difference or more information the 70D is failing to capture? I don't. They seem pretty identical to me, perhaps with a negligble edge going to the Nikon as it's 4 more million pixels but a negligible edge to the Canon in resolving aliasing and moire.

Here let's look at high ISO performance compared to the mighty Sony sensor:

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_70D/RAW_noise.shtml

Do you see a difference in noise performance? I don't. Both look pretty identical to me. At least not various stops ahead of the Canon as they claim.

Here another image quality comparison:

http://www.clubulfoto.com/canon-70d-vs-nikon-d7100-testul-iso/


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Both Canon's 20.2MP sensor and Sony's 24MP produce excellent results. Both are top technology and both are indistinguishable in real-life results. We are talking less than thirds of stops differences here, these cameras produce similar results, period. The rest is up to you as a photographer and many other factors affect the IQ like AF, lenses, shutter, subject, lighting, etc. If you can't produce a good image with either these sensors then something's wrong with your skill. They're in the same ballpark. so even of the 7D mk II has the exact same image quality as the 70D, it's still very relevant and comparable to the competition in terms of image quality, and that's not confirmed as the 7D might have an entirely new sensor with entirely different characteristics.

Here Canon is giving you a camera that has image quality comparable to the best on the APS-C market, with 10 frames per second as the 1D mk4, and 65 point AF system (better than the 1D mk 4), ridiculously tough weather-sealed body, innovative Dual pixel AF, and all the bells and whistles, for less than 2000$. And we complain.

We are complaining about the specifications of the highest specd camera on the market.

 

[ULFULFSEN]

i know all these reviews.

and i don´t say canon cameras make bad images.
but the sensor is hardly "excellent".

a lamborghini v12 aventador or rollce royce motor is maybe excellent, but not a 1.6l VW golf motor. every car company can build such a motor.

Excellence is a talent or quality which is unusually good and so surpasses ordinary standards.

 

[Stuart]

Could the IR sensor be for focusing in the dark?

is the extra 3200 from 12800 to give 16000 really just a third of a stop improvement?

 

[Canon1]

I have been holding back for a 7Dii as backup to my 5D3 but with these specs it hardly seems worth the wait
Looks like Canon Shares the boat with Apple - Not really pushing innovation anymore ? I love my gear, but the other candy stores looks to have much better lollies

Unfortunately the other "lollies" don't mount to "L" lenses... Personally, I think that these specs look awesome for a crop camera. I'll be adding one to the pair of 5D3's I already have. I considered the 70D, but the slow (relatively) FPS and the slightly crippled feature set kept me away. This new 7DII will likely have the same user programmable menu system as the 5D3 (maybe even better) along with the AF system to match or beat the stellar 5D3... sounds like a winner to me.

 

[dtaylor]

Is the 70D that much behind the competition in terms if image quality? Is it really hideous compared to say a D7100, K3, Nex A6000 with much lower dynamic range, ISO performance and resolution?

No, it's really not - the 70D's is an excellent sensor, and one capable of superb image quality across the range.

it has a 68 DXO score while 90% of the other APS-C sensors beat that (even m43 sensors) i hardly call that excellent.

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Canon/EOS-70D

but maybe fanboys ignore that.

The Nikon D5300 has a higher score then Hasselblad medium format digital cameras. Those stupid Hasselblad fanboys spend tens of thousands of dollars ignoring this ;D ;D ;D

While you ponder DxO's obvious screw up, you might want to read this: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52959322

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

i know all these reviews.

and i don´t say canon cameras make bad images.
but the sensor is hardly "excellent".

a lamborghini v12 aventador or rollce royce motor is maybe excellent, but not a 1.6l VW golf motor. every car company can build such a motor.

Excellence is a talent or quality which is unusually good and so surpasses ordinary standards.

i know all these reviews.

and i don´t say canon cameras make bad images.
but the sensor is hardly "excellent".

a lamborghini v12 aventador or rollce royce motor is maybe excellent, but not a 1.6l VW golf motor. every car company can build such a motor.

Excellence is a talent or quality which is unusually good and so surpasses ordinary standards.

Fair enough. Lets not call it excellent. I am just really puzzled by the information that's extremely common now that the 70D's sensor is bad, or inferior in image quality to any other APS-C sensors. Yet I am yet to see any images that prove any sensor has an image quality advantage, either in resolution, high ISO noise, or ability to recover shadows/highlights.

I actually really want to know, what's horribly wrong with the 70D sensor compared to the current APS-C technology?

I understand for example the the resolution difference between Sony's full frame 36mp sensor in the D810 and Canon's FF in the 5D mk III, yes that's a difference, a noticeable one. I am quite jealous of that sensor in terms of resolution, but I am not jealous of any APS-C sensor as a 70D user.

 

[Lee Jay]

There could be details here. I'll give an example.

In the 70D, you can switch to 3x crop mode in video, but only through a menu and when you do you lose dual pixel autofocus. If this camera can smoothly shift between 1x and 3x while shooting and retain dual pixel focus that would be a substantial upgrade to me versus the 70D.

 

[alistairm1]

i know all these reviews.

and i don´t say canon cameras make bad images.
but the sensor is hardly "excellent".

a lamborghini v12 aventador or rollce royce motor is maybe excellent, but not a 1.6l VW golf motor. every car company can build such a motor.

Excellence is a talent or quality which is unusually good and so surpasses ordinary standards.

I really don't follow the argument. Are you saying you expect (in motoring terms) the speed and power of a Lamborghini and the refinement of a Rolls Royce for the price of a Lexus (or VW)?
That is never going to happen in any market, be it motoring, photography or anything else.
Or is it just that you don't see this as being excellent because other cameras have a better DXoMark score?
I have noticed that when people provide real-world examples to show the differences are minute, you still trot out the DXoMark argument, as if their opinion trumps anything else.

When I buy any new technology item, I research the internet to see what users think of the device I am looking for. I will then form my opinion based on those opinions, not on some comparative value which seems to be based on a hidden calculation.

If the new camera is capable of producing images which are of sufficient quality to suit my needs then I'll probably buy it.

 

[Loswr]

I actually really want to know, what's horribly wrong with the 70D sensor compared to the current APS-C technology?

It's horrible because it's made by Canon. Any DRone will tell you that all Canon sensors are horrible. I know you think comparing actual pictures is a way to learn something about these cameras, sorry to tell you it's not. All that matters is what DxOMark says about the sensor. Actually, that's not quite true. The pictures you take with the lens cap on followed by a five-stop exposure push…those pictures matter.

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[ULFULFSEN]

Is the 70D that much behind the competition in terms if image quality? Is it really hideous compared to say a D7100, K3, Nex A6000 with much lower dynamic range, ISO performance and resolution?

No, it's really not - the 70D's is an excellent sensor, and one capable of superb image quality across the range.

it has a 68 DXO score while 90% of the other APS-C sensors beat that (even m43 sensors) i hardly call that excellent.

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Canon/EOS-70D

but maybe fanboys ignore that.

The Nikon D5300 has a higher score then Hasselblad medium format digital cameras. Those stupid Hasselblad fanboys spend tens of thousands of dollars ignoring this ;D ;D ;D

While you ponder DxO's obvious screw up, you might want to read this: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52959322

MF sensors are not that good because their techology is so much better, they are better because of their size.

so i don´t wonder that a normalized MF sensor does not top the DXO charts.

 

[zim]

There could be details here. I'll give an example.

In the 70D, you can switch to 3x crop mode in video, but only through a menu and when you do you lose dual pixel autofocus. If this camera can smoothly shift between 1x and 3x while shooting and retain dual pixel focus that would be a substantial upgrade to me versus the 70D.

+1 the devil is always in the detail, looking forward to detailed reviews

 

[Hillsilly]

"Intervalometer"

now, I'm 99% certain i am not buying another cop body...but...that one makes me smile. canon should have had an Intervalometer before this so that just makes me smile that it's in this, because it will be in other bodies soon. this does sound like a nice body though.

Agree 100%+++

Just hope it allows you to keep the shutter open for more than 30s.

 

[dtaylor]

Yet I am yet to see any images that prove any sensor has an image quality advantage, either in resolution, high ISO noise, or ability to recover shadows/highlights.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one ;D The DRones and DxOnes aren't capable of producing such comparisons.

I actually really want to know, what's horribly wrong with the 70D sensor compared to the current APS-C technology?

Nothing.

 

[ULFULFSEN]

i know all these reviews.

and i don´t say canon cameras make bad images.
but the sensor is hardly "excellent".

a lamborghini v12 aventador or rollce royce motor is maybe excellent, but not a 1.6l VW golf motor. every car company can build such a motor.

Excellence is a talent or quality which is unusually good and so surpasses ordinary standards.

I really don't follow the argument. Are you saying you expect (in motoring terms) the speed and power of a Lamborghini and the refinement of a Rolls Royce for the price of a Lexus (or VW)?

i say what i wrote: excellence is a talent or quality which is unusually good and so surpasses ordinary standards.

and sony shows that you don´t have to spend a fortune for a sensor that is surpassing ordinary standards.