Go look on DPR or some of the other sites at the 70D, 5DIII etc. compared to some of it's competitors and see it you see any big difference in the images.Ebrahim Saadawi said:
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Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed
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To all of you who say, that these specs are appropriate for a 2014 camera and not for 2012, bear in mind that with this replacement cycle, the next 7D will be available in 2019. What would you think of those specs even in half of that term?
You claim that these specs are the best package compared to the competition, but the competition will be releasing their competing bodies in the near future, not in 5 years. This camera sounds boring
You claim that these specs are the best package compared to the competition, but the competition will be releasing their competing bodies in the near future, not in 5 years. This camera sounds boring
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A few thoughts:
And to previous posters who claim there is no IQ difference between 7D and D7100 ... take a look at DPReview's comparison tool. Crank it up to ISO 3200, look at the fine details. The D7100 is obviously much more usable at high ISOs.
- No wifi? I don't doubt the CR specs, this feels just like a typical stupid Canon omission.
- 60 fps 1080p - great!!
- 10 fps - I'm sure this is great for many sports/bird shooters, but personally I would have preferred it if they went for higher resolution instead and stuck with 8 fps.
- 65 point AF. Sounds great, but it's only really useful if they're spread out over a larger area than the previous 19.
- No touchscreen? Won't miss it that much, but it seems strange not to include it. Again, this is 2014.
- Intervalometer - sounds like a fun thing to play around with.
- “About 100% viewfinder coverage” - sounds like the same old so-so 98% from the 7D classic.
And to previous posters who claim there is no IQ difference between 7D and D7100 ... take a look at DPReview's comparison tool. Crank it up to ISO 3200, look at the fine details. The D7100 is obviously much more usable at high ISOs.
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David Hull said:
The problem with those sites is they generally only compare direct out of camera results. Of course there isn't any visible difference...they aren't utilizing the extra capabilities of cameras with more DR.
For the 7D II, not having stellar low ISO performance isn't a big deal. It's a high ISO action/sports camera body. It will probably perform admirably at high ISO (although I doubt we'll be seeing A7s level high ISO performance out of this puppy), and it certainly has sports-grade features to rival the 1D X. It will be perfectly fine for what it is, and it still maintains the 7D lines "uniqueness" relative to the rest of the market.
There were a lot of us, however, who were hoping the 7D II would give us an indication that Canon has been pushing the envelope regarding their overall sensor IQ. That it would be something to show they are addressing the significant gains Sony has been making...now not only at low ISO (i.e. D810, A7r) but also at high ISO (A7s w/ Bionz). It's possible Canon will be using the NR capabilities of the DIGIC 6 to improve their high ISO performance...although I still suspect they won't be realizing up to a two-stop gain over older Canon sensors like the A7s.
We still need to see tests, but with the sensor being 20.2mp, it's difficult to imagine it being anything other than the 70D sensor, which isn't new, and therefor couldn't provide any kind of significant improvements on the IQ front. That dashes hopes for the 5D IV...as...Canon STILL seems to be staying the course.
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PureClassA said:
It didn't have to be articulated.... but with a decent WiFi interface you could use your phone or tablet as the touch screen.... and that would beat articulated hands down....
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DominoDude said:
The battery drain from the gps of the 6d is minor, and you can set a slower update interval if you want to save more. Enabling wifi means certain doom for your battery charge though.
jrista said:
You're serious? I would have very much doubted Canon's marketing abilities if they wouldn't introduce really new sensor tech on 1dx2 and €3500+ 5d4 - to make some profit out of these, they have to pack a big bang. At the end of the day, crop is for amateurs - that's been Canon's position all along, and why touch a running system?
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jrista said:
We will know in a week if it is the same old sensor or if they are doing something different.
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I am 100% happy with the specs for the rumored price as long as they improved the High AND Low ISO sensor noise over the 7D. I am not expecting FF noise but my 40D and 50D had cleaner shadows at ISO 100.
It would be too cool if this camera can take pictures in IR but I am guessing the mention of IR is for either meetering or AF in difficult situations like a night time football game where they are running the ball into and out of the lights.
Does the SD card slot support the latest fast cards? I remember the 5D3 did not support them and I ended up abandoning the use of dual cards because the SD could not keep up while shooting raw.
It would be too cool if this camera can take pictures in IR but I am guessing the mention of IR is for either meetering or AF in difficult situations like a night time football game where they are running the ball into and out of the lights.
Does the SD card slot support the latest fast cards? I remember the 5D3 did not support them and I ended up abandoning the use of dual cards because the SD could not keep up while shooting raw.
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jrista said:
I'm confused. Do you mean that you were considering an APS-C camera as your best option for landscape use? Or do you mean that their re-use of the 70D's APS-C sensor in the 7DII demonstrates with certainty that there will be no improvements of the next full frame sensor?
If neither of the above are true, then the 7DII really has no bearing on the matter. If you're tired of waiting, invest in a different system...
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Can certainly understand fellow members being upset with lack of major improvement in the sensor area. It appear this will be a focusing demon and great choice for tele shooters. I'm curious to see low light performance before deciding if to purchase.
But I'll share this, I recently ran into a Nikon employee and he was nice enough to engage me in conversation and he admitted the their sales were down and the industry is going through a tough transition. He also mentioned that at Nikon they are "constantly amazed that Canon shooters keep buying the 'vomit' that Canon throws out."
I got that he was referring to the underwhelming innovations in their camera introductions. Now I'm not trying to start a fanboy war here or create a new dialogue on this thread. Like many here, I'm heavily invested in Canon glass and love the IQ I get from my 5D III. But when you see companies like Sony just coming to market with soo many interesting products and ideas and you know Canon has the R&D structure to compete with any brand, it does leave you wishing for more from them.
I hope the 7D II is truly an amazing imaging tool. Eager to see.
But I'll share this, I recently ran into a Nikon employee and he was nice enough to engage me in conversation and he admitted the their sales were down and the industry is going through a tough transition. He also mentioned that at Nikon they are "constantly amazed that Canon shooters keep buying the 'vomit' that Canon throws out."
I got that he was referring to the underwhelming innovations in their camera introductions. Now I'm not trying to start a fanboy war here or create a new dialogue on this thread. Like many here, I'm heavily invested in Canon glass and love the IQ I get from my 5D III. But when you see companies like Sony just coming to market with soo many interesting products and ideas and you know Canon has the R&D structure to compete with any brand, it does leave you wishing for more from them.
I hope the 7D II is truly an amazing imaging tool. Eager to see.
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I don't shoot much sports or action so I won't be buying this body. I'll be more interested in future FF bodies, like the 5D Mk4 or 6D Mk2.
But, it is well spec'd. The AF system should be very 1Dx-like at a reasonable price. Looks like a great camera for an action shooter on a budget.
But, it is well spec'd. The AF system should be very 1Dx-like at a reasonable price. Looks like a great camera for an action shooter on a budget.
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Sabaki said:
Go, Magic Lantern, Go
... you don't need a 7d2 for that, a Rebel 550d+ will do just fine.jrista said:
Like "don't rock the boat and make as much profit with as little investments as possible"? True.
jrista said:
I admit you've lost me there - the 7d2 specs are no indication for anything concerning the 5d4 and no reason against believing they have a real sensor upgrade in the pipeline.
However 7d2 is proof that Canon stays Canon and they don't cave in (as they'd probably see it) building/using new fabs even under pressure from Nikon/Sony. They are doing just fine with good dslrs featuring mediocre sensors and good phase af systems, at least atm. If they add a stellar live view af and good usability, what amount of people outside geek forums really care about dr (dr. what)?.
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Wow! After a five year wait and all the 7D owners get is this, even the 2 extra fps is a laugh.
Can not wait till reviewers get their hands on it and see if the buffer is larger.
I myself can't wait for a good old fashion Canon 70D sale! I would rather save $1k and shoot birds with the smaller and lighter camera.
at least Canon is protecting their 70D sales with this.
Can not wait till reviewers get their hands on it and see if the buffer is larger.
I myself can't wait for a good old fashion Canon 70D sale! I would rather save $1k and shoot birds with the smaller and lighter camera.
at least Canon is protecting their 70D sales with this.
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Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Early rumors were about special video features, which led me to things like 4k, a hybrid viewfinder, no row skipping, and smooth continuous windowing.
As for stills, I was hoping for more pixels, but this isn't bad and the rest of the specs look really good for stills.
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I hope that the buffer size is reasonable, 3 to 4 seconds worth of RAW (30 to 40 RAW). This seems like a good spec list for the amateur bird photographer who wishes to stick with one of the less expensive long lenses (mine is the 400 f/5.6L). f/8 AF on center point would allow use of the Canon 1.4x TC with the 400, maintaining AF.
The Canon 7D classic and 70D are now both ~ $1,000.00 to $1,100.00. At the proposed ~$1,800.00 price point, with the 10 fps, massively improved AF system, and minimally improved signal processing to banish the lines, I could accept the 70D sensor. This sounds like a fine action camera, sufficiently improved over the 60D to merit my purchase. Operablity means a lot more to me than the sensor. Now, I would like there to be a 6D2 with improved resolution and DR, and maintaining a good low light response, but that's another tool for a completely different use.
The Canon 7D classic and 70D are now both ~ $1,000.00 to $1,100.00. At the proposed ~$1,800.00 price point, with the 10 fps, massively improved AF system, and minimally improved signal processing to banish the lines, I could accept the 70D sensor. This sounds like a fine action camera, sufficiently improved over the 60D to merit my purchase. Operablity means a lot more to me than the sensor. Now, I would like there to be a 6D2 with improved resolution and DR, and maintaining a good low light response, but that's another tool for a completely different use.
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Perhaps the management and high level staff at Canon have a very good strategy to keep food on their table, they feed us a little at a time so they could keep eating. However the introduction of the 6D brings affordability to full-frame allowing aspiring crop sensor users who want to .... to rise above mediocrity without having to wait for ages for a much better camera.
Its true that we are a long way from the days of the 3 and 5 megapixel cameras, but to satisfy our lust for more sensor some may need to upgrade to full-frame.
Its true that we are a long way from the days of the 3 and 5 megapixel cameras, but to satisfy our lust for more sensor some may need to upgrade to full-frame.
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they're feeding you little? This camera is boring? disappointing specs? about the highest speced camera on the market under 6000$?
I wish Nikon, Panasonic, Sony, Olympus, Pentax guys come here and take a look at what you're saying
I wish Nikon, Panasonic, Sony, Olympus, Pentax guys come here and take a look at what you're saying
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