Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed

[crashpc]

Sensor, sensor, sensor. I still hope they managed to make it better, but I won´t upgrade in something what´s already years old, to use it for another 4-6 years. Not a chance. Do you hear me, Canon!? Sony is waiting behind door if you don´t deliver!

 

[Loswr]

Sensor, sensor, sensor. I still hope they managed to make it better, but I won´t upgrade in something what´s already years old, to use it for another 4-6 years. Not a chance. Do you hear me, Canon!? Sony is waiting behind door if you don´t deliver!

Maybe holding your breath and stomping your foot would help?

 

[mackguyver]

they're feeding you little? This camera is boring? disappointing specs? about the highest speced camera on the market under 6000$?

I wish Nikon, Panasonic, Sony, Olympus, Pentax guys come here and take a look at what you're saying

People bitched and moaned about the 5DIII specs, too, and then they actually used one! I think this will the same and to have 90-95% of a 1D X in a much smaller package will be pretty amazing if the sensor is at least a stop better than the 7D.

 

[crashpc]

Sensor, sensor, sensor. I still hope they managed to make it better, but I won´t upgrade in something what´s already years old, to use it for another 4-6 years. Not a chance. Do you hear me, Canon!? Sony is waiting behind door if you don´t deliver!

Maybe holding your breath and stomping your foot would help?

Seems I won´t make it to Photokina. My brain is already fried which smells really bad , and at the time of release, I won´t be able to handle even the effing shutter button. That´s what Canon does to people

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

By the way, the sensor was not the weak point of video quality in the 70D. We know the sensor is capable of producing incredible results in stills mode. It's how that image coming off the sensor is scaled down to 1080p, processed and compressed to the H.264 codec.

Even if it has the 70D sensor (which it may not), this does not necessarily mean similar video quality, it's all about the processing.

First of all I hope they got rid of line-skipping and switch to elegant pixel-binning as on the 5DIII, that derided moire & aliasing are just not acceptable on the 7D mk II anymore. I certainly hope they used those processors to do sophisticated noise reduction and up the ISO performance a stop or more. Resolution is important too, the dual digic 6 processors should be able to do an elegant down sampling of the 20.2mp to sharp 1080p.

I want this to produce C100-like images (minus the crazy lowlight and a bit of detail) rather than 7D-like images. Come on Canon, everybody else is doing it, the Nikon, the A6000/A5100/ everybody. Give me a great video DSLR in a Canon APS-C body!

 

[unfocused]

They are doing just fine with good dslrs featuring mediocre sensors and good phase af systems, at least atm. If they add a stellar live view af and good usability, what amount of people outside geek forums really care about dr (dr. what)?.

Not picking on you Marsu, because your basic point about what people care about is valid, but I am pretty tired of claims that Canon sensors are "mediocre," which is one of the more mild terms used.

We have reached the point in sensor development where, absent some major breakthrough for some magical no noise-200-steps-of-dynamic-range-shoot-in-the-pitch black technology the differences between all major brands of sensors don't amount to a dime.

Every sensor -- even that little sensor in your iPhone -- produces better pictures than were generally available during the film era. Full frame, APS-C, Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, it doesn't matter. They all produce stellar results that were impossible not that long ago.

The only way anyone can tell any difference is by invoking obscure laboratory test results, blowing up images on a computer screen to bizarre proportions or shooting straight into the sun.

 

[Steve]

People bitched and moaned about the 5DIII specs, too, and then they actually used one! I think this will the same and to have 90-95% of a 1D X in a much smaller package will be pretty amazing if the sensor is at least a stop better than the 7D.

I think this camera, spec'd as is, is going to be just great for a ton of people, especially those looking to upgrade from an older xxD or as a companion to the 6D. Its just not that exciting when there is a pro level body with excellent AF, the same burst speed, a deep buffer, a pro build/shutter and a bigger, better sensor that you can get used for about what the 7D will be priced at. The 1DIV is five years old and compares favorably or even better in just about every metric. That's my issue with it. I was hoping for something that would make me look at my 1DIV and think it worth an upgrade.

 

[bowtiez]

Hmm, interesting. Let's see how this camera really performs. The intervalometer is something long overdue.

 

[Maui5150]

Because, it just doesn't seem to be in Canon's plans to change their sensors.

I think it says to the contrary.

Seeing what is likely a minor improved sensor and much improved AF to me makes me think Canon is putting more into the next generation FF

There was many who thought that the Pro APS-C might be coming to end of life and that is my read into the 7d MK II

Improved AF, solid metal body, high FPS, decent sensor, not crazy High ISO

Basically the 7D MKII is a 70D with slightly more pro features and a more durable body to withstand more use and elements.

I can see a 5DIV, a High MP and a IDXs in the future and think that is where Canon is putting their efforts.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Even if it has the 70D sensor (which it may not), this does not necessarily mean similar video quality, it's all about the processing.

They claim that DIGIC 6 is capable of making ISO 1600 in video look like ISO 400, or a two-stop reduction in noise:

http://usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/standard_display/digic_6_image_quality

Wow that's a BIG claim from Canon's part! If that actually materializes into the 7D video being two stops ahead of the 70D in low-light, that would be huge in the video world. That's way ahead of all the competition. I also can't imagine they will do line-skipping with moire and aliasing as on the 70D, if they did, it would be a clear sign from Canon for abandoning the filmmaking market.

I absolutely don't need a 4K camera. I just want it to be a great 1080p camera, with C100-like detail and high ISO noise, and with NO moire & aliasing as on the 5D mk III. Perhaps this will also have Clean HDMI out with mirroring like the 5D mk III. It seems to have a headphone jack (finally!) like the 5D III too. DPAF is a great addition for filmmakers. Just hope they give a great 1080p image. This will be my deciding factor of sticking with the Canon ecosystem or jumping to the A7s/GH4 crowd.

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

This is a solid camera, but with today's market it's almost a niche camera for sports & wildlife shooters. I can't think of a single reason a portrait, landscape, or event shooter would get this over the 6D. Maybe those who dabble in everything will.

Viability for video is yet to be seen. 4k is still pretty new so I think it'll still be used (at least a little bit) if Canon was able to fix their mushy, detail-less output and aliasing/moire problems. Honestly, I doubt it though. I think it's just going to look like either 70D or 5DIII footage, and those who were holding out for a Canon "response" to the amazing video coming from other manufacturers in this price range will move on.

I do have to say, the omission of Wifi when it's almost 2015 is pathetic.

 

[ULFULFSEN]

Honestly, I doubt it though. I think it's just going to look like either 70D or 5DIII footage, and those who were holding out for a Canon "response" to the amazing video coming from other manufacturers in this price range will move on.

maybe we will see a v2.0 firmare update some day that brings 4k video.

the olympus E-M1 will get 4K video via firmware update as it seems (is rumored).

 

[Loswr]

Because, it just doesn't seem to be in Canon's plans to change their sensors.

I think it says to the contrary.

Seeing what is likely a minor improved sensor and much improved AF to me makes me think Canon is putting more into the next generation FF

5D -> 5DII Nearly double sensor resolution, most other major features unchanged

5DII -> 5DIII Similar sensor, most other features substantially improved

5DIII -> 5DIV

There's at least a rationale to believe that, since the 5DIII is 'practically perfect in (almost) every way', we'll see substantial changes in the sensor with the next 5-series body.

 

[fragilesi]

This is a solid camera, but with today's market it's almost a niche camera for sports & wildlife shooters. I can't think of a single reason a portrait, landscape, or event shooter would get this over the 6D.

It's not aimed at those people . . . but it is aimed at anyone who wants to capture something that isn't just sat still in front of them. It's hardly a small "niche" is it?

 

[joejohnbear]

I agree. A 7D II with enormously, unrealistically improved sensor (all the people clamoring, oooh I wish this had more DR than the 5DIII) is just plain stupid when a 5DIV hasn't been released. I think you're right, Canon will iterate with the 7D II and release their cutting edge tech in the 5D IV and 1DXII. These specs are already killer, and people often forget that autofocus and sharp lenses across the board are much more effective at getting a killer professional event image than using Sony's sensor, which they can turn around and use in their own products and compete with your own (cough, Pentax, Nikon, etc.).

Because, it just doesn't seem to be in Canon's plans to change their sensors.

I think it says to the contrary.

Seeing what is likely a minor improved sensor and much improved AF to me makes me think Canon is putting more into the next generation FF

There was many who thought that the Pro APS-C might be coming to end of life and that is my read into the 7d MK II

Improved AF, solid metal body, high FPS, decent sensor, not crazy High ISO

Basically the 7D MKII is a 70D with slightly more pro features and a more durable body to withstand more use and elements.

I can see a 5DIV, a High MP and a IDXs in the future and think that is where Canon is putting their efforts.

 

[cellomaster27]

this is pretty exciting. especially if the price is around 1800. I think we all need to wait and see how the thing performs before bashing it. I myself am a little disappointed? mainly due to all the hype on CR. ;D but for the price, this thing blasts nikon out of the water. well, aps-c equivalent. Definitely a flagship model for aps-c range.

 

[Marsu42]

Not picking on you Marsu, because your basic point about what people care about is valid, but I am pretty tired of claims that Canon sensors are "mediocre," which is one of the more mild terms used.

I was talking of the relative position of Canon's tech in today's digital camera sales. As I keep pointing out, the whole package counts and in absolute terms it's certainly "good enough"...

... but: Canon has less resolution, more pattern noise and less dynamic range at lower iso. It has catches up on higher iso and has even a bit better dr, but that's still 3:1 for the competition which qualifies as "mediocre" in my book. It doesn't need giving in to trolls to admit to that and keep on shooting happily ever after.

 

[joejohnbear]

Bahaha, stupid "I'ma threaten to jump ships b.c. I can't make good images with my current gear" crowd. Sony ergonomics and alpha/nex lenses (either price or quality) are awful for the most part. They'll take longer to iterate to match Canon's ergonomics and lens selection and prices (their damn 70-200 II is $3000) than Canon will to release a sensor update. I had a long chat with a sony store salesman who bragged that he used an a77 and 70-200 ($3000) for surfing photography. He claimed to be still working on his portfolio website, but I checked out his images that were online already, pure shit! Measurebators and armchair commandos can go suck it while the rest of us use what we have instead beating our sticks to specs.

Sensor, sensor, sensor. I still hope they managed to make it better, but I won´t upgrade in something what´s already years old, to use it for another 4-6 years. Not a chance. Do you hear me, Canon!? Sony is waiting behind door if you don´t deliver!

Maybe holding your breath and stomping your foot would help?

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

This is a solid camera, but with today's market it's almost a niche camera for sports & wildlife shooters. I can't think of a single reason a portrait, landscape, or event shooter would get this over the 6D.

It's not aimed at those people . . . but it is aimed at anyone who wants to capture something that isn't just sat still in front of them. It's hardly a small "niche" is it?

So you're saying it's aimed at bad photographers who need 10fps and 63 focus points to get a good shot? The 6D (and every camera ever made) can capture things that don't sit still just fine.

 

[crashpc]

Bahaha, stupid "I'ma threaten to jump ships b.c. I can't make good images with my current gear" crowd. Sony ergonomics and alpha/nex lenses (either price or quality) are awful for the most part. They'll take longer to iterate to match Canon's ergonomics and lens selection and prices (their damn 70-200 II is $3000) than Canon will to release a sensor update. I had a long chat with a sony store salesman who bragged that he used an a77 and 70-200 ($3000) for surfing photography. He claimed to be still working on his portfolio website, but I checked out his images that were online already, pure S___! Measurebators and armchair commandos can go suck it while the rest of us use what we have instead beating our sticks to specs.

Sensor, sensor, sensor. I still hope they managed to make it better, but I won´t upgrade in something what´s already years old, to use it for another 4-6 years. Not a chance. Do you hear me, Canon!? Sony is waiting behind door if you don´t deliver!

Maybe holding your breath and stomping your foot would help?

With EOS M, I really am not able to make good images at times. Mostly due to AF, but when I will buy new body (and I have not many lenses) I might be in good position to upgrade, but with different brand. But you seem to be all knowing. I might bite my tongue and go back DSLR with D7100 or maybe D7200 instead on anything else. I just don´t know, and I won´t buy any old "pathetic" product for next decade.