Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]

[madmailman]

I spoke to someone who said that their brother's mother's cousin's ex-boyfriend's lover said that it would come in pink.

Pink? What's the point of that? At least white would lean towards arctic camouflage

Pink would provide camouflage among the herd of unicorns where the 7DII is found.

Now you are just being silly. The 7DII is a myth, whereas the unicorn is the national animal of Scotland.

 

[Lee Jay]

What is it with the "more megapixels"? This is a camera for action and wildlife photographers, not for landscape photographers.

I would argue that wildlife and action photographers need it more than landscapers do. Wildlife and action often lead to focal-length-limited situations that result in heavy cropping. More pixels helps with that in a big way.

 

[Lee Jay]

These two points seem antagonic:
*Quite high MP count
*Greatly improved low light and ISO / noise performance

Those are NOT opposed to each other! At the same final size, more pixels on the same size sensor will produce LESS noise at the same final level of detail, not more (this myth got started because of comparing at 1:1 rather than constant final size and detail level). The only exception is at very extreme ISOs up into the 6 digit range.

I think those who want low noise at ISO100 should buy D800. The mythical 7D Mark ii is supposed to be a fast-action camera, which usually need to use ISO1600 at least. I'm sure the target audience of 7D Mark ii has more interest in ISO6400 with acceptable noise.

Which, again, would be better with more pixels on the same sized sensor.

 

[dstppy]

Correction: This point seems contradictory:

• Quite high MP count
• Vastly improved AF performance
• Greatly improved low light and ISO/noise performance
• Potentially a different sensor and/or technology than expected
• Good price point
• Very close to ‘pro’ classification, but non-compete with flagship such as 1dx
• Release by Fall season as expected
• Canon holding back 7Dmk2 for a reason. I suspect 100-400 mk2 announcement, or some other coinciding situation.

One of these kids is doing his own thing...

You got it.

1) if the above list is true, it's gonna cost
2) define 'good' --- I'm saying if this list is true, it's worth $2k . . . other people will want the price below that

Too wish-listy.

 

[Don Haines]

I spoke to someone who said that their brother's mother's cousin's ex-boyfriend's lover said that it would come in pink.

Pink? What's the point of that? At least white would lean towards arctic camouflage

If it is pink, then people are less likely to steal it......

 

[jthomson]

Now you are just being silly. The 7DII is a myth, whereas the unicorn is the national animal of Scotland.

I thought the Haggis was the national animal of Scotland. ;D

 

[unfocused]

Canon holding back 7Dmk2 for a reason. I suspect 100-400 mk2 announcement, or some other coinciding situation.

Silly statement.

Canon could have released a 100-400 II at any time over the past five years or so. Lens technology doesn't change that much and this lens design has probably been sitting around for quite some time, just waiting for the right time to put it into production. There is no reason Canon would need to "hold back" any camera body for a lens.

And, what exactly does "holding back" mean? The implication is that the 7DII has been completed and ready to go for quite some time and Canon has allowed it to sit idle. Hardly a likely strategy for camera technology, which has a relatively short shelf life. Certainly all companies time their releases to obtain the maximum benefit, but that is a matter of weeks or months. To call it "holding back" reflects a gross misunderstanding of everything involved in a successful product launch.

 

[sanj]

What is it with the "more megapixels"? This is a camera for action and wildlife photographers, not for landscape photographers. The landscape photographers already have a decent camera in the 6D, and might like something with a few more MP, to take advantage of the ever-increasing quality of lenses. The action/wildlife photographers want "more throughput (fps and buffer depth).

Someone at the camera club meeting last night pestered the local camera shop representative about the "7D2". Hey, everyone is in the dark, including the CR1 and CR2 sources.

Requirement of the marketing department. And people who want to crop excessively.

 

[MintChocs]

Of course Canon are going to cripple this camera in some way! They can't have it eating into sales of their other cameras. Lol. I think an increase in megapixels with a small improvement in noise is probably likely to protect existing FF cameras until those FF have improved sensors. I think any new lens will be a new kit lens for it to cope with any increase in megapixels and video after all it's not just professionals who buy this camera but people with loads of spare cash.

 

[Don Haines]

Canon holding back 7Dmk2 for a reason. I suspect 100-400 mk2 announcement, or some other coinciding situation.

Silly statement.

Canon could have released a 100-400 II at any time over the past five years or so. Lens technology doesn't change that much and this lens design has probably been sitting around for quite some time, just waiting for the right time to put it into production. There is no reason Canon would need to "hold back" any camera body for a lens.

And, what exactly does "holding back" mean? The implication is that the 7DII has been completed and ready to go for quite some time and Canon has allowed it to sit idle. Hardly a likely strategy for camera technology, which has a relatively short shelf life. Certainly all companies time their releases to obtain the maximum benefit, but that is a matter of weeks or months. To call it "holding back" reflects a gross misunderstanding of everything involved in a successful product launch.

"holding back" could mean that production has started and they are waiting until they have sufficient stock produced and in place around the world for the release. Don't forget that it also takes time to get electronics certified in various countries and they cant ship until they can put that CSA, UL, or whatever certification on the units.

 

[distant.star]

.
I know a guy who talked to a guy who said he heard...

She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes
She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes
Coming round the mountain, she'll be coming round the mountain,
Coming round the mountain when she comes
She'll be driving six white horses when she comes
She'll be driving six white horses when she comes
She'll be driving six white horses, she'll be driving six white horses,
Driving six white horses when she comes
And we'll all go out to meet her when she comes
Yes we'll all go out to meet her when she comes
We'll all go out to greet her, yes we will all go out to meet her,
We'll all go out to meet her when she comes
She'll be wearing red pajamas when she comes
She'll be wearing red pajamas when she comes
Wearing red pajamas, why is she wearing red pajamas,
Don’t know why but she'll be wearing red pajamas when she comes
She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes
She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes
Coming round the mountain, she'll be coming round the mountain,
Coming round the mountain when she comes
Coming round the mountain when she comes

 

[kirispupis]

I'm just not buying that Canon is going to reveal its latest sensor technology on a crop camera. More likely I see this announced on a new 1DX or 5D3. I think the G1X II is a better model for the 7D2 and so specs like the following are the most likely.

16 MP
1-1.5 stops better than current 7D
new+improved AF system
WIFI + GPS
HDR similar to 5D3
A few other helpful doo-dads

This would hardly be an exciting camera, but I suspect it would sell decently well. Of course, I would love to be proven wrong. I am basing this off my perceived track record of Canon - that they replace very nice cameras (5D line) with newer very nice cameras and crappy ones (G1X, 7D) with similarly crappy ones.

 

[Sanaraken]

If this is true. My money will be well spent on the 7DII and the 100-400 mk2. If the price is not to inflated on the lens.

 

[stilscream]

Here's my guess:
9.3 fps (2 more than 70D, 3 less than 1DX)
28MP with equal or slight bump in high iso performance
Better weather sealing
4k video @24 fps, 120fps 1080 video slo-mo
$2100 starting price, falling to $1950 within 6 months.
dual digic 5 and digic 4 processor
cf and sd card slot, though sd card limits higher functionality
dual pixel AF version of the 1D4
Headphone jack
wifi and gps

 

[Don Haines]

I'm just not buying that Canon is going to reveal its latest sensor technology on a crop camera.

Like Digic 6? Like DPAF? Like WiFi and touchscreens?

Most new technology is introduced on the crop cameras and the p/s cameras because those are the units that are updated more often and that's where the big sales numbers are. If they waited until the next 1D? update cycle to introduce features and then let them trickle down they would be out of business

 

[preppyak]

"holding back" could mean that production has started and they are waiting until they have sufficient stock produced and in place around the world for the release. Don't forget that it also takes time to get electronics certified in various countries and they cant ship until they can put that CSA, UL, or whatever certification on the units.

Not to mention they've been known to have major production delays in the past year or two. It's entirely possible that the 100-400 was supposed to be done at the start of the year, but it got delayed or had issues, thus "holding back".

Seeing the features that are left off Canon cameras that are clearly there (as Magic lantern has unlocked) or that would have been simple to keep (AFMA for example), holding back could also be a marketing decision, as they want the lens and camera launched in combo for sales purposes

 

[wyluncustoms]

GOOD PRICING?

is that the point of view of a Professional Photog. that has a 1Dx for sports... or is that good pricing for a regular consumer/hobbyist like me :-\

 

[dadgummit]

Though I am not holding my breath it would be great if the specs listed are all true. I just hope the pro thing does not mean integrated grip.

 

[Random Orbits]

What is it with the "more megapixels"? This is a camera for action and wildlife photographers, not for landscape photographers.

I would argue that wildlife and action photographers need it more than landscapers do. Wildlife and action often lead to focal-length-limited situations that result in heavy cropping. More pixels helps with that in a big way.

For a given amount of energy (battery capacity) and processing capability, you can either have more pixels or a higher framerate, not both. The 1DX has a higher frame rate and lower resolution than the 5D. It'd be nice if the 7DII could match the framerate of the 1DX, but that would require the same amount of processing power (both 18MP). With the 5DIII at 6 FPS, the 7D II would have to be a bit faster for people to consider a 5DIII/7DII combo, like many people had done with the 5DII/7D.

 

[alexanderferdinand]

IF there is a new Crop replacing the 7D, I hope Canon will show cojones.
Means: showing what is possible.
Example: double card slots- FAST ones!! Not the ancient interface for SD on the 5D3.
Or a fixed mirror, enabling a very fast framerate.
Or a lower MP sensor like the Fuji X Trans with very good high iso capabilities.

What do I expect: a new body, witch is constructed to fit in its place.