Canon EOS 7D Mark III to Have Slight Crop in 4K [CR2]

[Aussie shooter]

the only reason D500's are selling so well compared to 7d2's is that canon shooters already had a crop wildlife specialist and Nikon shooters had a new product to jump on.

This makes sense, but again: DATA -- please.

The D500 is some mythical sales phenomenon based on the comments of this forum. Are there numbers to go with that myth?

FTR, your comment above is certainly plausible -- Nikon left that segment to die (or upgrade to FF) for a full cycle, so it's logical there was large number of trapped wildlifing/birding D7200 (or possibly D610/D750) users Nikon had waiting to come back once the D500 was announced. But do we have numbers to back that up?

- A

Good point. I will correct my statement by saying that the only reason the D500 is 'rumoured' to be selling so well is that it gave Nikon shooters an option they did not already have.

 

[ahsanford]

Good point. I will correct my statement by saying that the only reason the D500 is 'rumoured' to be selling so well is that it gave Nikon shooters an option they did not already have.

...which makes perfect sense. Esp. since they have a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1400 to use with it for birding.

I just want numbers on how it actually is selling. Are they just flipping the dormant birders that were slugging it out with a D7200 rather than jumping to FF and buying huge glass to get their reach back? Are they converting Canonites?

- A

 

[Cochese]

I don't really care what 4K codec they decide to use, but I'd love to see 1080/ 120fps. I constantly hear fellow shooters wanting that. I'm fine with the MJPEG. Pulling frames for images is far better.

 

[jolyonralph]

<PEDANTIC MODE ON>
Seeing as the aspect ratio of 4K video is different to the aspect of the APS-C sensor, there will ALWAYS be some crop with 4k video
<PEDANTIC MODE OFF>

 

[3kramd5]

<PEDANTIC MODE ON>
Seeing as the aspect ratio of 4K video is different to the aspect of the APS-C sensor, there will ALWAYS be some crop with 4k video
<PEDANTIC MODE OFF>

Missed opportunity for a new line of EF-SA (anamorphic) glass ;D

 

[Hector1970]

I wouldn’t cases much for 4K. It’s so memory intensive. You’d need to be doing serious video work. A Panasonic GH5 wouldbetter for that. I’d take 1000FPS HD if it were available as it would be a fun feature.
I would like a flippy screen, fully articulated- very handy I think.
As a 7D2 owner it’s really about the image quality.
The ISO performance was woeful day 1. I find it poor in high contrast light. Very poor when ISO goes above 3200. This camera is for action, high shutter speeds - you need to have good ISO performance.
I’ll be really curious if they can make it a lot better.
If they improve focusing or increased focus points and don’t improve the ISO performance greatly I’ll let it pass by.
I might be tempted by a Sony or wait to see if a 1DX III is worth saving for.
I’d be slow to invest in a Sony but the FPS is attractive and two lens 70-200 and when it arrives a 400 or 500 F4 would do
A super performing 7DIII would be a much cheaper option.
My own guess is it will be 10 FPS , 4K , 1 stop ISO improvement okayish camera, middling reviews, Tipa award winning camera.

 

[3kramd5]

I wouldn’t cases much for 4K. It’s so memory intensive. You’d need to be doing serious video work. A Panasonic GH5 wouldbetter for that. I’d take 1000FPS HD if it were available as it would be a fun feature.

That’s over 2 billion pixels per second. It would make 4k 30p look downright quaint from a memory perspective .

 

[bertzie]

As a 7dmk2 shooter, I genuinely wouldn't care if the 7dmk3 didn't shoot video at all.

 

[preppyak]

People seem to forget the original 7D was THE DSLR video camera of choice for a few years when it first appeared.

The 60D, which came less than a year later, was actually better for video. As well as the flippy screen, it offered VGA crop mode and manual recording volume control.

Yep, and until Magic Lantern unlocked it for all cameras, the T3i was quite nice too since it had the 3x tele mode as well.

Canon clearly dont see video in DSLR's as a major draw anymore, because if I wanted quality video at 4k, Id get a GH5 for 60% the price, throw a metabones adapter on, and forget a Canon camera even did video.

Wouldnt kill them to do 1080/96 though, since the GH4 managed to do it 4 years before this camera will be released.

 

[Aussie shooter]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it is killing me waiting for the release of this thing but I am certainly very keen to see what happens with it. I would like to replace my old one with it before a Galapagos trip in November but I don't like the idea of early uptake despite canon being probably the most reliable camera makers. If it is out by may and has at least a 1stop ISO improvement I am likely to jump in. These little tidbits of info that is all but irrelavent to a wildlife shooter(ie video) are driving me nuts. I want the important info

 

[preppyak]

On the other hand, I've long argued that the XXD line should be the dominant video line. Keep the 7D as the premier action and wildlife crop sensor body for stills and put the video-centric features into the flip-screened XXD line.

Very much agree with this sentiment. The 7D was a great camera if you needed 6+ fps or the bulletproof body, but the 60D did everything else just as well and had the same battery.

Problem is, Canon wants a prosumer and pro customer to own two cameras to do photo and video work (one for each) to maximize their profits. And in my case they are partially right....I do own two cameras to specialize...its just my video camera isnt a Canon Cine.

The amount of damage they could do to the GH5 and panasonic just by matching the GH4 specs....

 

[slclick]

I have yet to meet anyone who sought an iteration of the 7D, past or future, as a video rig. Sports, birding, wildlife, other action ...yes.

 

[Orangutan]

I have yet to meet anyone who sought an iteration of the 7D, past or future, as a video rig. Sports, birding, wildlife, other action ...yes.

Possibly continuing the trend to broaden its appeal to parents of teenage athletes/performers. I doubt that crowd wants to carry a separate 4K video rig. For that market, it doesn't have to be pro-quality 4K, but just good enough.

 

[Chaitanya]

At this point 7D mk 3 really needs to outperform D500 from Nikon and have better feature set as well. USB Type-C, CFexpress and UHS-II SD slots are a must just to keep it relevant beyond 2018.

 

[Orangutan]

At this point 7D mk 3 really needs to outperform D500 from Nikon and have better feature set as well. USB Type-C, CFexpress and UHS-II SD slots are a must just to keep it relevant beyond 2018.

No, it just needs to sell well and make a nice profit for Canon. Of course, we'd all like the 7D3 to be a crop 1DX3, but it ain't gonna be that.

 

[Aussie shooter]

At this point 7D mk 3 really needs to outperform D500 from Nikon and have better feature set as well. USB Type-C, CFexpress and UHS-II SD slots are a must just to keep it relevant beyond 2018.

Nope. It just needs a better sensor and slightly improved AF system. People with GAS may look at swapping systems(or more likely talk about swapping systems) but most photographers won't even consider it. It has to outperform the 7d2, not outperform the D500 and it has to be a great wildlife camera for the dollars as the 7d2 was(and still is). If it can do that while retaining the same cards. Great. I won't have to buy more cards. If not then change the cards. Never once used the usb cord. I always download from the SD card straight into the computer. I bet most people do aswell So there is probably no need to change unless previous generations are becoming redundant.

 

[Chaitanya]

Good point. I will correct my statement by saying that the only reason the D500 is 'rumoured' to be selling so well is that it gave Nikon shooters an option they did not already have.

...which makes perfect sense. Esp. since they have a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1400 to use with it for birding.

I just want numbers on how it actually is selling. Are they just flipping the dormant birders that were slugging it out with a D7200 rather than jumping to FF and buying huge glass to get their reach back? Are they converting Canonites?

- A

Only Canonites that got converted to D500 were the people who came into Canon for 7D/7D mark 2 after Nikon nearly abandoned the flagship APS-C segment. Most of these birders only have 1 lens in their bag for birding and nothing else so jumping ship is easier for them. Also that 200-500mm lens along with D500 was better choice than 7D mk 2 with 400mm 5.6 or 300mm f/4 with 1.4x TC combo.

 

[Aussie shooter]

Good point. I will correct my statement by saying that the only reason the D500 is 'rumoured' to be selling so well is that it gave Nikon shooters an option they did not already have.

...which makes perfect sense. Esp. since they have a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1400 to use with it for birding.

I just want numbers on how it actually is selling. Are they just flipping the dormant birders that were slugging it out with a D7200 rather than jumping to FF and buying huge glass to get their reach back? Are they converting Canonites?

- A

Only Canonites that got converted to D500 were the people who came into Canon for 7D/7D mark 2 after Nikon nearly abandoned the flagship APS-C segment. Most of these birders only have 1 lens in their bag for birding and nothing else so jumping ship is easier for them. Also that 200-500mm lens along with D500 was better choice than 7D mk 2 with 400mm 5.6 or 300mm f/4 with 1.4x TC combo.

I think Birders with only one lens in their kit probably account for a very small segment of the market. Most shooters in this market would likely fall into the same category as myself. Love shooting BIF but also love shooting any wildlife on offer as well as the occasional landscape or macro along with family shots etc etc. Most wildlife photographers are probably lugging at least 4 lenses for the body they use so for most the expense of swapping systems is just not worth the tiny gain in sensor performance. Better to spend that money on a holiday.

 

[Chaitanya]

Good point. I will correct my statement by saying that the only reason the D500 is 'rumoured' to be selling so well is that it gave Nikon shooters an option they did not already have.

...which makes perfect sense. Esp. since they have a 200-500 f/5.6 IS lens for $1400 to use with it for birding.

I just want numbers on how it actually is selling. Are they just flipping the dormant birders that were slugging it out with a D7200 rather than jumping to FF and buying huge glass to get their reach back? Are they converting Canonites?

- A

Only Canonites that got converted to D500 were the people who came into Canon for 7D/7D mark 2 after Nikon nearly abandoned the flagship APS-C segment. Most of these birders only have 1 lens in their bag for birding and nothing else so jumping ship is easier for them. Also that 200-500mm lens along with D500 was better choice than 7D mk 2 with 400mm 5.6 or 300mm f/4 with 1.4x TC combo.

I think Birders with only one lens in their kit probably account for a very small segment of the market. Most shooters in this market would likely fall into the same category as myself. Love shooting BIF but also love shooting any wildlife on offer as well as the occasional landscape or macro along with family shots etc etc. Most wildlife photographers are probably lugging at least 4 lenses for the body they use so for most the expense of swapping systems is just not worth the tiny gain in sensor performance. Better to spend that money on a holiday.

In India that number is quite large, most of these birders only have a single lens in bag for more general purpose photography they rely on smartphones. Even in my group atleast half fall into this category, and they are the first ones to borrow my macro lenses whenever we are out shooting macros. Even I rely on smartphones for general purpose photography and only use my DSLR and lenses for macro work(only wide angle lens in my bag is EF-s 10-18mm).

 

[bhf3737]

Comparing the next 7D to its peers in terms of 4K spec:
(crop factor as compared to full-frame sensor)

Nikon D500 has 2.25x crop factor (sensor read area is smaller than mFT)
Fujifilm XT-2 has 1.79x crop factor (1.17x of APS-C, sensor read area is larger than mFT)
Panasonic GH5 has 2x crop factor (standard mFT)
Panasonic GH4 has 2.2x crop factor (sensor read area is slightly smaller than mFT)

Even if 7D III gets 1.25 crop of its APS-C sensor (2x of full frame), it still can read the sensor area equivalent to mFT, same as what GH5 offers. Of course ideally no crop is the best but anything smaller than 1.25x would be pretty good for a non-dedicated video camera.