Canon EOS M2 Specs Revealed?

[spinworkxroy]

Well, I loved the original M because it's small and the images from the 22mm lens was indeed beautiful.
However, that was merely a 650D in a small body which is fine for the price i paid. But it was always only going to be a "fun" grab an go camera.

The EOS M2 if rumoured specs (they usually are) are true, then i would say boo hoo...these specs should've been in the EOS M fromt he beginning.
They had 2yr maybe to develop a new M and all they could do is to put a 70D into a small body?

Do note that everyone else in the market has already uped their game...and CES2014...i belive Sony has plenty of new stuff coming out as well...

Is the EOS M2 going to be able to compete? I highly doubt.

I love Canon stuff, always have but with the market moving so fast recently, and with Canon taking it's own sweet time, i couldn't wait.

i still have my EOS M, i still have a few L lenses for it because i sold my 5D3...

But i can see myself slowly getting rid of everything because i got tired of waiting for Canon..

I love my A7R now and using that camera, makes me wished Canon did it first...it really is what i wanted and more..just a pity it has a Sony name, not Canon...i'm not a fan of Sony but i have to give it to them for this camera...Canon, please buck up and maybe i will go back to you one day.

 

[Loswr]

If this rumor is true, I think it's evidence of Canon beginning to make mirrorless the new point-and-shoot market.

Every single P&S that I can think of had a build in flash. The M has to have it to be considered a P&S replacement. The 90EX that came in the kit I got is not any more powerful then a build in flash, and it is a pain to attach whenever a flash is required. I had a hell of a time explaining that to my wife (the M was for her).

Excellent point. Even on a DSLR, I like having a built-in flash to use for fill for sunny/back-lit scenes and/or catch lights in the eyes. They'll eventually need to add a pop-up flash to the EOS M, in my opinion.

On a P&S, the flash is very close to the lens axis - rather than fill flash and catchlights, you get deer-in-headlights and red eye. An M with an EVF and a popup flash...that's a 100D/SL1. Smaller is better!

 

[dufflover]

I dunno about comparisons to an SL1 with size. When I compared them the SL1 in store with my EOS-M it was still noticeably smaller. Crucially the difference between pocket (albeit large/coat) and not.

 

[shutterlag]

Well, I loved the original M because it's small and the images from the 22mm lens was indeed beautiful.
However, that was merely a 650D in a small body which is fine for the price i paid. But it was always only going to be a "fun" grab an go camera.

The EOS M2 if rumoured specs (they usually are) are true, then i would say boo hoo...these specs should've been in the EOS M fromt he beginning.
They had 2yr maybe to develop a new M and all they could do is to put a 70D into a small body?

Do note that everyone else in the market has already uped their game...and CES2014...i belive Sony has plenty of new stuff coming out as well...

Is the EOS M2 going to be able to compete? I highly doubt.

I love Canon stuff, always have but with the market moving so fast recently, and with Canon taking it's own sweet time, i couldn't wait.

i still have my EOS M, i still have a few L lenses for it because i sold my 5D3...

But i can see myself slowly getting rid of everything because i got tired of waiting for Canon..

I love my A7R now and using that camera, makes me wished Canon did it first...it really is what i wanted and more..just a pity it has a Sony name, not Canon...i'm not a fan of Sony but i have to give it to them for this camera...Canon, please buck up and maybe i will go back to you one day.

I agree with you 100%. I have a 6D as well as an EOS M. Question for you- since you've got the A7R - what do you think of using an adapter with the L glass? Have you tried any? I'm also looking at the Contax G mount Zeiss glass, since the adapter supports AF. There appears to be several interesting lenses in G mount for not much money.

 

[dufflover]

They had 2yr maybe to develop a new M and all they could do is to put a 70D into a small body?

70D sensor in the current body and (lack of) features for $300~$400 like now would be ok.
Unfortunately this "new" camera isn't even that namely sensor AF,

 

[Loswr]

I dunno about comparisons to an SL1 with size. When I compared them the SL1 in store with my EOS-M it was still noticeably smaller. Crucially the difference between pocket (albeit large/coat) and not.

True...and my M is a lot smaller than my 1D X. But, add an EVF, popup flash, a rate button, etc., then compare it to next year's SL2 (the World's Even More Smallerest dSLR), and see how they measure up...

 

[TAF]

As I've written before, this model may represent nothing more than Canon's attempt to reduce the cost of manufacturing an M body.

But they've already paid for all the tooling for the original body. Creating a new one to make it smaller (which, given how small the M is already seems silly to me, and I have small hands) seems like a waste of money.

I'm anxiously waiting for Zeiss to come out with EF-M lenses. Until then, the 22mm and some of my old FD glass with an adapter are keeping me quite busy.

 

[jrista]

As I've written before, this model may represent nothing more than Canon's attempt to reduce the cost of manufacturing an M body.

But they've already paid for all the tooling for the original body. Creating a new one to make it smaller (which, given how small the M is already seems silly to me, and I have small hands) seems like a waste of money.

I'm anxiously waiting for Zeiss to come out with EF-M lenses. Until then, the 22mm and some of my old FD glass with an adapter are keeping me quite busy.

The R&D cost to design a smaller body is a minor fraction of the total materials cost, shipping weight cost, etc. to manufacture tens of thousands or millions of them. The fundamental cost savings of reducing the size is well worth the minimal R&D effort to design it.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

<li>AF Speed 2.3 times faster</li>
<li>Wifi in camera</li>
<li>Can operate the camera with a smartphone.</li>
<li>Wireless image transfer to the smartphone</li>

Sounds good

 

[tcmatthews]

Well, I loved the original M because it's small and the images from the 22mm lens was indeed beautiful.
However, that was merely a 650D in a small body which is fine for the price i paid. But it was always only going to be a "fun" grab an go camera.

The EOS M2 if rumoured specs (they usually are) are true, then i would say boo hoo...these specs should've been in the EOS M fromt he beginning.
They had 2yr maybe to develop a new M and all they could do is to put a 70D into a small body?

Do note that everyone else in the market has already uped their game...and CES2014...i belive Sony has plenty of new stuff coming out as well...

Is the EOS M2 going to be able to compete? I highly doubt.

I love Canon stuff, always have but with the market moving so fast recently, and with Canon taking it's own sweet time, i couldn't wait.

i still have my EOS M, i still have a few L lenses for it because i sold my 5D3...

But i can see myself slowly getting rid of everything because i got tired of waiting for Canon..

I love my A7R now and using that camera, makes me wished Canon did it first...it really is what i wanted and more..just a pity it has a Sony name, not Canon...i'm not a fan of Sony but i have to give it to them for this camera...Canon, please buck up and maybe i will go back to you one day.

I agree with you 100%. I have a 6D as well as an EOS M. Question for you- since you've got the A7R - what do you think of using an adapter with the L glass? Have you tried any? I'm also looking at the Contax G mount Zeiss glass, since the adapter supports AF. There appears to be several interesting lenses in G mount for not much money.

I bought the EOS M because I was thinking of getting a large sensor compact or the Sony 20MM NEX lens. They put it on fire sell and I could not resist it priced less than a Lens. I will replace it when it dies. Given that EOS M is built like a tank that will not be anytime soon.

I have been using my Nex6 as my primary camera for several months now mostly with legacy glass. I cannot speak to the A7r I plan on getting one of the A7 variants sometime next year. I imagine it is not much faster than a Nex6 auto-focusing with the Metabones adapter. A good approximation of auto-focus would be to to use your 6D in live-view with the L lens your are thinking of using.

The Sony cameras are more ergonomic with big lens than the EOS M and I feel comfortable using my Tamaron 70-300mm on a NEX6. It is amazing how much the battery bump helps with holding the camera.

As for Canon lens on Sony using Medabones.

• 70-200mm F4L no IS Auto focus to slow for me Manual to shaky unless on tripod a bit long.
• 100mm F2.8L IS way to slow auto focus usable Manual focus
• 85mm F1.8 usable auto focus and manual focus
• shorty 40 usable prefer to manually focus it.
• 24mm F2.8 IS usable but I got it today so I have not fully tested

In general all are slower than using a EOS M with the adapter. I have defaulted to using primarily manual focus for most lens on the Nex6.

I have found that primes work best. Most of my zooms are just to bulky. The Metabones does not seem to work with full manual lens with out conformation chips. It also cannot focus older non-USM lens. (At least I have not been able to get mine to work with manual lens.) So for a cheap non-electric adapter is also useful.

Personally when I buy an A7r I do not plan on using any auto focus lens or any of the current Sony lens. You can build up a complete set of Lens out of legacy glass for the price of the 35ZE alone. The Sony focus peeking blows ML focus peaking out of the water once you get use to it.

I think I will wait on the A7r until I see more lens. I also want to compare it to Something so I bough a 6d, it arrives tomorrow.

But the reality is high speed Zooms are not really the way to go with small large sensor cameras like the EOS M2 or the A7r. Small relatively compact primes are the way to go.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

On a P&S, the flash is very close to the lens axis - rather than fill flash and catchlights, you get deer-in-headlights and red eye.

Not always, not always by any remote means at all! Especially with pre-flash (and red-eye can be fixed easily enough anyway). Believe me I have the shots to prove it.

 

[Aglet]

Fuji X

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Someone on another forum says that they just saw it announced in Japan! They say that all of these specs appear to be correct other than for a BIG ONE. It is said, in reality, to use the 70D sensor and have the full top live view AF and everything else that sensor brings.

OK, now THAT makes a LOT more sense. Maybe Canon is in the game after all. The rumors specs or the sensor hadn't made any sense at all.

 

[kurapika]

For the one who want to know more about the differences between M and M2 check the canon official site
http://cweb.canon.jp/newsrelease/2013-12/pr-eos-m2.html

Canon EOS M2 is officially announced in Japan! NOT RUMORS!

 

[Woody]

Someone on another forum says that they just saw it announced in Japan! They say that all of these specs appear to be correct other than for a BIG ONE. It is said, in reality, to use the 70D sensor and have the full top live view AF and everything else that sensor brings.

http://cweb.canon.jp/newsrelease/2013-12/pr-eos-m2.html

Release: mid-Dec 2013.

18 MP APS-C sensor with hybrid CMOS AF II. This is the same sensor as the one in SL1/100D. According to DPReview (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7526513643/consumer-slr-camera-roundup-2013/9)

"The Canon Rebel SL1/100D also has something that most of the others do not: useably fast autofocus in live view and movie modes. When used with STM lenses, the SL1 gets closer to mirrorless speed and only the larger A58 can match it in this department."

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Someone on another forum says that they just saw it announced in Japan! They say that all of these specs appear to be correct other than for a BIG ONE. It is said, in reality, to use the 70D sensor and have the full top live view AF and everything else that sensor brings.

http://cweb.canon.jp/newsrelease/2013-12/pr-eos-m2.html

Release: mid-Dec 2013.

18 MP APS-C sensor with hybrid CMOS AF II. This is the same sensor as the one in SL1/100D. According to DPReview (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7526513643/consumer-slr-camera-roundup-2013/9)

"The Canon Rebel SL1/100D also has something that most of the others do not: useably fast autofocus in live view and movie modes. When used with STM lenses, the SL1 gets closer to mirrorless speed and only the larger A58 can match it in this department."

oh man I guess that guy on the other forum was wrong and this rumor was 100% correct

I wonder what they mean by"As a result, in the ranging area wider than, enables fast focusing about 2.3 times ※ 2, it is possible to realize a shooting in the composition he wanted, ability to respond to a moving subject is improved conventional models ※ 1 will.

※ conventional models that have been updated to firmware Ver.2.0 more than one comparison is "EOS M".
※ 2 One-Shot AF, Live AF multi-point, use "F3.5-5.6 IS STM EF-M18-55mm", shooting at focal length 55mm. "

Do they mean it has 2.3x faster AF compared to the M Firmware v1 or compared to the M Firmware V2? If the latter then they have really, REALLLLY lost the plot.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

although the fact that the release is now back to mid-Dec instead of 2014 maybe just means that it's a stop gap until they get the 70D sensor version out in early 2014, kind of a tricky scenario! Either you miss holiday sales for this, the sort of camera that IS a stocking stuffer type or you end up releasing a much better version just a couple months later and burn all the holiday shoppers. No win. I wonder why they didn't plan it to use the 70D sensor to begin with and get that version out sooner.

 

[Zv]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the original M have Digic 5? Why are they boasting about that on the Japanese website. That's not news.

I see the AF assist light and IR remote sensor have changed orientation! That's about it. I wanna watch that video but I'm in work. Screw it. Here goes.

 

[Woody]

Do they mean it has 2.3x faster AF compared to the M Firmware v1 or compared to the M Firmware V2? If the latter then they have really, REALLLLY lost the plot.

They mean EOS M2 is 2.3x faster than EOS M firmware v2 which is 2.3x faster than EOS M firmware v1. Very strange, but that's the way it is.

 

[squarebox]

I just got an email from Canon a moment ago announcing the M2 for mid-December with no price yet. Being 8% smaller, with improved autofocus and wireless built in


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本日、オートフォーカス性能を大幅に向上させたミラーレスカメラの新製品
“EOS M2”を発表しました。発売は2013年12月中旬の予定です。

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　発売予定　　：2013年12月中旬
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EOS シリーズと同等の高画質を小型・軽量ボディで実現した“EOS M2”は、
従来機種「EOS M」から約8%小型化しながら、オートフォーカス性能が大幅に
進化し無線LAN機能を新搭載。
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★新製品の詳細は以下のＵＲＬにアクセスしてご確認ください。
http://canon.jp/eos/special/m2sp/index.html


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　（EOS M2 ロゴ刻印）をプレゼント！
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　“EOS M2”を購入して旅行に嬉しいグッズを手に入れるチャンスです！

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