Canon Rebel T5

[jeffa4444]

OK so Canon wanted to upgrade their entry level camera but please all they have done is bring back out the Rebel T2i /550d with this model.
For a camera claiming to be a "image leader" this is frankly a joke and Nikon must be laughing at them

When Canon brought out the AE-1, AT-1, AV-1, A-1 & AE-1 Program they revolutionised photography now they are way behind Sony, Panasonic and Olympus in innovation and are openning up the market to new entrants possibly from China. Who ever made this decision is an idiot.

 

[Sella174]

Who ever made this decision is an idiot.

No, they're conservative.

 

[skfla]

If this camera were listing for $199'ish (US) body only or $299-$399 kit maybe I could see the sense. Keep new people/zombies coming into the canon system, etc. I mean a very high percentage of commited Canon ameteur folks buy in cheap & then slowly upgrade lens/body until they are fully committed (ie: "stuck with") to the Canon line. I actually bought a T3 body really cheap (maybe $150-$175?) & used it as 3rd body/loaner/etc. for a while. Not too shabby. But honestly, other than the sensor and a few slight upgrades-display, focus,etc- the T5 seems pretty much the same camera only 3 years later. Talk about totally warmed over goods. & fyi, I don't mind total left overs in a "new" camera if the price is right-but $549? Why go with this when you can still find EOS-M bodies for under $200...

 

[Loswr]

Who ever made this decision is an idiot.

Who ever made this decision wanted to sell lots of cameras. Know what? They will...

 

[Sella174]

Who ever made this decision wanted to sell lots of cameras. Know what? They will...

Really? Who will be doing the buying? Current owners of 550D's and newer looking to upgrade? I don't think so. Or those upgrading from their iPhones, perhaps? But does this new camera offer the features of an iPhone, like instant social network integration (either standalone or through pairing with an iPhone)? If not, then these "tech-savvy" folks won't be buying. So that leaves people new to DSLR's, right? This is a tough market and these "entry-level" jobbies aren't that great compared to an iPhone, especially on "green box" and with the kit lens.

 

[Loswr]

This is a tough market and these "entry-level" jobbies aren't that great compared to an iPhone, especially on "green box" and with the kit lens.

"Not that great compared to an iPhone?" Well, that's true on some level, even for the 5DIII or 1D X. But in most people's hands, a Rebel with kit lens will deliver far better images than a smartphone.

The T5 will be a mainstay at Walmart and Target, and you'll see pallets of them at Costco.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Canon T5 is a new camera? Yes.
It is an innovative camera? No. But nobody said it would be.
For buyers who look cheaper models in stores, they will find T5 better than T3. That only. If there are limitations, which is why so-called "entry level". More complete models will entice people who want more from your camera.

 

[tntwit]

I suppose it will depend how it is priced in the real world.

Right now you can buy a T3i kit with a swivel screen and a slightly faster frame rate for $499 or an SL1 kit with touch screen, a faster processor and autofocus in video (for whatever that may be worth) and the STM Lens for $539. These prices are for Amazon.

To compare, Canon's website lists the T3i at $599 and the SL1 at $749, while the T5 is $549.

At $549 for the T5, I think the SL1 is a better buy for $10 less or the T3i at $50 less, but in the real world the T3 might eventually falls near the pricing of the T3 which is currently at $389.

For further comparison, Nikon is listing the D3200 at $499 with 24 megapixels, wifi capability and autofocus in video.

I really think Canon needs to simplify the low end of their line up. I think it should be the 70D, the T5i and the SL1, but all with the 20 megapixel sensor and dual pixels tech with wifi. Forget the T5 and leave older models around for value leaders like the T3i (which they have done). This would put them more in line with Nikon in terms of features, price and segment position (70D and D7100, T5i and D5300 and SL1 and D3300).

I suppose they maybe be taking a marketing approach and figure that a new T5 sounds better than "they still make the T2i?", but they should have peppered it with a few new features or colors or something.

Despite all of that, I think it will be a perfectly capable camera and a good step up from the T3 which was way over due for replacement.

 

[jdramirez]

The t3 plus kit lens was selling at 300 @Christmas time. If you consider the lens is called at$100 New, the the body is only worth around$200 which isn't much.

This will bring up the value of their entry level line. And having said that... it is entry level. What do people expect? It is supposed to be capable but leave you wanting more.

 

[jdramirez]

If this camera were listing for $199'ish (US) body only or maybe $299-$349 kit maybe I could see the sense. Keep new people/zombies coming into the canon system, etc. I mean a very high percentage of commited Canon ameteur folks buy in cheap & then slowly upgrade lens/body until they are fully committed (ie: "stuck with") to the Canon line. I actually bought a T3 body really cheap (maybe $150-$175?) & used it as 3rd body/loaner/etc. for a while. Not too shabby. But honestly, other than the sensor and a few slight upgrades-display, focus,etc- the T5 seems pretty much the same camera only 3 years later. Talk about totally warmed over goods. & fyi, I don't mind total left overs in a "new" camera if the price is right-but $549? Why go with this when you can still find EOS-M bodies for under $200...

I started with a Canon xs... and now I have more. But as I upgraded... I never thought... this camera I'm upgrading to isn't worth it... because in that case I wouldn't bother upgrading.

 

[9VIII]

I would still recommend this camera over anything else that's not an SLR. It doesn't have to be better than everything else that's come before, it just has to be a good camera at a good price.
Right now the price does seem a little high, it should have launched at $499, but it'll probably get there soon enough. I paid $450 for my T3 a year and a half ago and still consider it money well spent.

I don't disagree with launching this body over keeping old ones around longer either.
For example the 600EX-RT has special features when used with the 5D3 and 1Dx (and hopefully the T5) that don't work with older bodies. You also get all the latest developments in menu layout. I think it's also worth noting that each iteration of the sensor and processor pairing seems to have its own "style" of high ISO noise, this could be better or it could be worse, we will have to see.

 

[Ivar]

Small sensor compacts are already lost niche to smartphones, looks like it is the time for entry level SLRs to sell much less in quantity (relative to the past performance), and the smartphones are to be blamed again. No wonder though looking at the "efforts". Yeah, sounds whining but let's see the financial reports next fiscal year. Wanna bet?

 

[Azathoth]

Who ever made this decision wanted to sell lots of cameras. Know what? They will...

Really? Who will be doing the buying?

People who want the "pro look" (a DSRL) but at the lowest price possible. It's a huge market. 550D? They never heard of such camera. They only know what's shiny new and in front of them in the shelves. Rangefinders? Mirrorless? They don't look pro, so they must suck.

 

[Sella174]

People who want the "pro look" (a DSRL) but at the lowest price possible. It's a huge market. ... They don't look pro, so they must suck.

Fair enough. But then you don't confuse them with three current models, plus all those previous models still on sale everywhere. You give them one model; one choice; the "correct" one. You leave the diversity for the mid-level cameras, where your buyers are (supposedly) more knowledgeable.

 

[jdramirez]

People who want the "pro look" (a DSRL) but at the lowest price possible. It's a huge market. ... They don't look pro, so they must suck.

Fair enough. But then you don't confuse them with three current models, plus all those previous models still on sale everywhere. You give them one model; one choice; the "correct" one. You leave the diversity for the mid-level cameras, where your buyers are (supposedly) more knowledgeable.

Can we wait till they start discontinuing things? The t3i is likely gone. The t5i will be replaced by the t6i.

That will leave the following:

T5
T6i
70d
7dmkii
6d
5d mkiii
1dx

Seems like everything is suitably spaced in regards to features and performance.

 

[jdramirez]

As for the prices models argument... that's silly. Old tech will be available new for a while... Heck you can still get the xti New for 500 or so... you can't help that some retailers didn't sell off their t4is shortly after becoming discontinued.

 

[Sella174]

T5
T6i
70d
7dmkii
6d
5d mkiii
1dx

You forgot the 100D/SL1 ...

So for the entry-level crowd with (apparent) little knowledge of DSLR cameras, they have to choose between the 100D, the 1200D and the 700D. Heck, I know something about DSLR's and I find it difficult too distinguish these models ... so how is a "newbie" supposed to do it?

Beyond that, and apart from the 5DIII and the 1DX, everything is even more confusing. The 6D is "full-frame", but in every other aspect the 70D is a better camera (if we count size of the sensor as relevant). The current 7D is ancient and the 7DII doesn't exist yet, so we cannot accurately place that into the hierarchy yet.

 

[jdramirez]

T5
T6i
70d
7dmkii
6d
5d mkiii

You forgot the 100D/SL1 ...

So for the entry-level crowd with (apparent) little knowledge of DSLR cameras, they have to choose between the 100D, the 1200D and the 700D. Heck, I know something about DSLR's and I find it difficult too distinguish these models ... so how is a "newbie" supposed to do it?

Beyond that, and apart from the 5DIII and the 1DX, everything is even more confusing. The 6D is "full-frame", but in every other aspect the 70D is a better camera (if we count size of the sensor as relevant). The current 7D is ancient and the 7DII doesn't exist yet, so we cannot accurately place that into the hierarchy yet.

I did forget the sl1, which is strange because my daughter owns one.

I think each camera fits its own niche. And I guess I was projecting what is to come... and not stuck only on what is.

 

[jdramirez]

T5 - entry level camera using older technology but really quite good for for most beginners.
Sl1- when combined with the 40mm pancake, travel and light weight camera. Also good for women and children with small hands.
T6i- probably the same as the t5i but with Wi-Fi.
70d- advanced amateur with well above average results for sports and movement
7dmkii - a 1dx for the outdoor birder or sports fanatic
6d- incredible low light performance for the portrait or landscape photographer.
5d mkiii- ditto the 6d, but add on a really good af system for sports and movement.
1dx- the pro camera seen at sporting events which includes all the great aspects of the above save for Wi-Fi and gps.

It really doesn't seem that confusing.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Here at CR, many people complain that there is excess Canon entry level models. The grass always seems greener on the neighbor's side. In my city, the few shops that sell DSLR are crammed of Nikon D3100, D3200, D5100, D5200, and this is the fault of Nikon? The market regulates itself according to supply and demand. It's easy to Canon and Nikon know the current inventory at stores like Adorama and BH, but the small shops who import illegally unknown there old stock. When new models are released, these small shops NOT offer immediately to the buyer, it has to first get rid of the old models. My friends in the USA are complaining on a full stomach. They feel bad to have many model options. I'll repeat what I wrote on December 23, 2013:

"Recently, Canon and Nikon started making commercial advertisement on primetime in the largest TV station of Brazil. Advertising Nikon shows happy people photographing. Meanwhile, the advertising Canon shows their cameras SX40 and T3i, and speaks of professional quality with ease of amateur camera. We read Canonrumors we can have two reactions to seeing an advertisement (today) with SX40 and T3i: Or laugh much, or get too annoyed with the attitude of Canon."