Canon to Surprise With New Mirrorless Camera

[tcmatthews]

A substitute for SL1 without mirror, with EF-S mount, Dual Pixel AF, and a good electronic viewfinder, it would be a bestseller.

Ok sure do the A3000 the right way. It could be a good seller but the A3000 when over worst than the EOS-M. But I think it would have a EOS-M mount.

Personally I would like to see the 6D sensor shoved into the body of the Rebel T6s and sold as a full frame Rebel for $1000. Mirrorless or otherwize.

 

[Nininini]

they've been releasing an M about once a year.

so umm no, your comment is the only doubtful one.

No they haven't. There are exactly 17 months between releases.

M, June 2012--|17 months|----M2, December 2013----|17 months|----M3, April 2015

That would mean the M4 would need to launch on September 2016. CP+ in February is way too early.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Full frame EVF with a 1D X II sensor or go home.

 

[Etienne]

Beat the Sony A7 series and make me a believer!

 

[Jacen]

It probably won't beat the A7 series. But that's not what I'm after. I'm after a camera that's smaller than my 5D, and is natively compatible with EF lenses with a good autofocus system and around 25+ Mpix. SL2 or Prosumer M doesn't really matter.

 

[Dylan777]

Can't wait to see what Canon will bring.

My guess: crop body that work with current ef lenses without adapter.

 

[danski0224]

Timing of this rumor coincides with the revival of The X-Files. Coincidence?

TrustNo1

 

[CrispyPics]

A substitute for SL1 without mirror, with EF-S mount, Dual Pixel AF, and a good electronic viewfinder, it would be a bestseller.

Why not full frame in a SL1-type body with weather sealing? That way it could coexist to APS-C EOS-M and with a small mount adaption would accept both EF and EF-S lenses. Would be a perfect upgrade path for me as an APS-C user.

 

[MayaTlab]

Coming up with a FF EOS-M camera won't excite me one bit in itself. If it's packaged like a fisher price toy and riddled with Canon's usual "we know best" attitude and obsessive penchant for irrational product differentiation ("what, a joystick, are you maaaaaad ? We won't sell any 7DII if it's got one ! Remove this devilish thing ASAP or you're fired !"), I'm not interested. If it's yet another re-hash of the usual limitative PASM + two programmable dials or the even worse reactionary retrograde retrobsessive nostalgia for labelled dials, I'll be bored, but I might still bite.

Ideally I'd want something that's ambitious : a camera that finally gets us rid of the imaginary roll of film that camera manufacturers still insist to put in our cameras (why do I have to rotate a mirrorless camera to take pictures in the vertical orientation ? Why metering algorithms are still inherited from the film age ? Why no auto ETTR ? Why no raw histogram ? Why only two programmable dials on a DIGITAL camera ? Why still a PASM dial ? Why still a strong dichotomy between manually set values and automatisms ? Why do I have to turn on and off my camera several times a day ? Why no operating system with regular through the air updates ? Is it still impossible to have a low consumption top LCD with colour information and more user-friendly graphics in 2016 ? Etc.).
That, to me, would be a real surprise.

I recently played with a Phase One XF and if there are already plenty of things I disliked with it, and probably a lot of other reasons to dislike it, in many ways it felt fresh and very interesting.

 

[Jopa]

That's great news, as long as I won't need to buy new lenses...

 

[oncosurgdoc]

I typically use my camera for ultra-long distance backpacking, where every oz. counts. Point and shoot cameras are popular in that world, but the images are never the best quality. The Canon M3 has been the best compromise for me, offering control, superb imagery, detachable lenses, and, most importantly, light weight. Though few people ever talk about it in this forum, weight, even to a ½ oz., is extremely critical. Because the camera gets tossed around a lot, and it is impossible to really keep it clean when on the trail for months at a time, operational durability in such harsh environments becomes critical. I wait anxiously for the next M series camera with this in mind.

 

[Bennymiata]

Could the surprise be another lame mirrorless camera?

 

[AvTvM]

I'd be happy with a fully competitive Canon enthusiast MILC ... be it APS-C or FF

A) Canon EOS-X1
FF MILC, at least slightly better *in all respects* than Sony A7R II, not bigger and not more expensive + some decent and affordable EF-X native lenses plus existing EF-glass fully operational with adapter.
I'll buy one and sell my 5D 3 mirrorslapper.

B) EOS "M1 Pro"
APS-C MILC slightly better than upcoming Sony A6100, not bigger and not more expensive ... and I'll buy one and sell my EOS M body, but keep my 5D 3 mirrorslapper for the time being.

Take your pick, Canon!

 

[drjlo]

A) Canon EOS-X1
FF MILC, at least slightly better *in all respects* than Sony A7R II, not bigger and not more expensive

Boy, that's truly looking at "glass half full," but it it happens, I'd be happy to stay in the Canon camp while putting away my Sony A7r.

 

[RGF]

Ideally the same sensor as the A7R II with menus and controls that make sense.

I would sell my A7R II instantly if this camera was announced.

 

[padam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOky2XA8UP0

I would't be surprised to see a Speed Booster Ultra for EF->EF-M mount with better AF than the EF->E-mount adapters

 

[Nininini]

Mirrorless that works with EF-S without adapter, would just have the size of a DSLR, because of the extra flange distance needed.

If you want that, you can just glue the canon EF-M adaptor to your M3, and there you have it. Tadaa, M4.

 

[hubie]

Have my doubts, Canon just launched the EOS M3. Camera development costs a lot of money, they wouldn't launch another APS-C mirrorless so short after this one.

they've been releasing an M about once a year.

so umm no, your comment is the only doubtful one.

Sorry, but just because you make one of your own products obsolete by introducing a new, much better one isn't shooting in the own foot. If the customer is looking for another product than you offer, you better replace it or give a better alternative (which may cost more). Opening the EF-lenses to mirrorless without adapter and better ergonomics would be ground-breaking for Canon I guess. Their big strength in my eyes is the huge disposition of A-class lenses over the whole focal range. They should build on that legacy.

 

[AUGS]

A substitute for SL1 without mirror, with EF-S mount,

That would just cannibalize the very recent M3 and EF-M lenses. They're not going to shoot themselves in the foot.
This story doesn't make a lot of sense, Canon doesn't usually release cameras in similar categories one after the other. If you look at their releases, they tend to be tick tock between full frame and APS-C, and in different categories.

I consider SL1 as an experimental camera, and would be the perfect format to Canon make a "serious" mirrorless.

EOS-M will always be for people who want a pocket camera (deep pockets). I could be wrong, but I think battery life and heat dissipation are still problems, and prevent one high end camera the size of other EOS-M.

This was my original thought for the other threads on "What do you want in Mirrorless" and then the SL1 demise. If this were to be true, this wouldn't cannibalize any market of the M3, it would be preparing the market segmentation, no differently to having a X Series, XX Series, XXX and XXXX Series SLRs. The M3 would be entry level, SL1 version a step up.

I could easily see a new full frame mirrorless in an SL1 body.
Pros:
Native EF and EF-S lenses without an adapter - current common complaint on these threads about the M series is lack of native lenses.
Size will provide better "balance" for EF and EF-S lenses, while not being full SLR size.
Touchscreen, live view.
Could have Auto-crop mode depending on attached lens (selectable on 5DS Series for example), or do you have dedicated SL-C (crop) and SL-F (full frame)?
Smallest SLR just took a step to the future.

Cons:
Electronic viewfinders need improvement, the other common complaint - does this body need one?
Is this too soon or too big a step for the market? We know Canon is conservative, and incremental changes are best for ongoing revenue.
Is Canon ready to take that leap of faith?

This is all speculation and highly optimistic, but this will happen, how soon remains to be seen.

 

[3kramd5]

Ideally the same sensor as the A7R II with menus and controls that make sense.

I would sell my A7R II instantly if this camera was announced.

I'll take it off your hands. My A7R II could use a backup

Out of curiosity, what part of the menus don't make sense? I only really need to access a handful of things in the menus with any regularity:
1) Format
2) Display setting effect (I usually have it 'on' to show the exposure, unless I'm shooting with strobes in which case it's typically too dark)
3) Raw type (to toggle uncompressed when appropriate)
4&5) Airplane Mode and Send to Smartphone

With custom buttons and the custom menu, all shooting functions I use (and some I don't) are accessible outside of the menus. I still wish it had a dedicated tool to select focus points, but other than that I've learned the controls and don't find it lacking relative to my Canon's (and it's a hell of a lot better than my Nikon).