Canon USA Introduces New Super-Telephoto Zoom Lens, The Compact & Highly Mobile Canon EF 100-400mm f
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Re: Canon USA Introduces New Super-Telephoto Zoom Lens, The Compact & Highly Mobile Canon EF 100-400
First shop in Switzerland already lists it as on stock: http://shop.heinigerag.ch/de/products/239112
Price 2'368.00 CHF, including 3 years of warranty (if bought till 31.01.2015).
First shop in Switzerland already lists it as on stock: http://shop.heinigerag.ch/de/products/239112
Price 2'368.00 CHF, including 3 years of warranty (if bought till 31.01.2015).
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Re: Canon USA Introduces New Super-Telephoto Zoom Lens, The Compact & Highly Mobile Canon EF 100-400
http://www.calumetphoto.de/product/CAN1004004556ISII
Now I'm a little bit angry about Canon
Hey, Canon! What kind of exchange rate is that???
Or did I get something wrong and the $2199,- are ex. VAT? ???
Just seen the €2,499.99 confirmed at calumet:lw said:
http://www.calumetphoto.de/product/CAN1004004556ISII
Now I'm a little bit angry about Canon
Hey, Canon! What kind of exchange rate is that???
Or did I get something wrong and the $2199,- are ex. VAT? ???
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Okay, and thanks for that info. Then the €2.499,99 (incl. VAT) are reasonable.pato said:
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Hi Jon,
You are right. I did zoom in, and put my glasses on. I should have done that the first time
Jon_D said:FEBS said:
really?
look closer at the 100mm 2x extender chart.
the sagittal lines seem to be better for my eyes.
and the 10 LP/mm wide open line drops.... but the f8 line seem to be higher..hard to see.
but the 10 LP/mm f8 line is clearly higher with the 2x extender than with the 1.4 extender.
Hi Jon,
You are right. I did zoom in, and put my glasses on. I should have done that the first time
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Yes. US price includes no VAT/sales taxes.
Nevertheless, if we take USD 2199 * 1,19 [19% VAT in Germany] * 0.77820 [USD -> € @ 3% interbank rate www.oanda.com] we would be at € 2.036,40 rather than at 2.499,-
Maximilian said:Hey, Canon! What kind of exchange rate is that???
Or did I get something wrong and the $2199,- are ex. VAT? ???
Yes. US price includes no VAT/sales taxes.
Nevertheless, if we take USD 2199 * 1,19 [19% VAT in Germany] * 0.77820 [USD -> € @ 3% interbank rate www.oanda.com] we would be at € 2.036,40 rather than at 2.499,-
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Re: Canon USA Introduces New Super-Telephoto Zoom Lens, The Compact & Highly Mobile Canon EF 100-400
I'll be the first to admit to not being an MTF expert, but based on the released information at the tel end without converters it appears to be about on par with 70-200 2.8 IS II. Adding the 1.4x the 100-400 II is reduced in the center slightly, but by mid frame it is still on par with the naked 70-200! Can this be accurate, or am I just that bad at reading the info?
I'll be the first to admit to not being an MTF expert, but based on the released information at the tel end without converters it appears to be about on par with 70-200 2.8 IS II. Adding the 1.4x the 100-400 II is reduced in the center slightly, but by mid frame it is still on par with the naked 70-200! Can this be accurate, or am I just that bad at reading the info?
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I therefore already called that price reasonable. But "reasonable" is far from "fair". :
Yeah! But I got used to this kind of (miss-) calculation Canon does in Europe/Germany.AvTvM said:we would be at € 2.036,40 rather than at 2.499,-
I therefore already called that price reasonable. But "reasonable" is far from "fair". :
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Don't forget to take into account that most U.S. workers make less per hour than folks in other countries. Minimum wage in the U.S. is only $7.25 per hour.
Edit: Just did a quick Google search and see that "Last week, the lower house of Parliament in Germany voted to set a nationwide minimum wage of 8.50 euros an hour, about $11.60 (USD), effective in 2015. The upper house is expected to approve the measure this week."
That's a 60% increase over the minimum wage in the U.S. Not that everyone makes minimum wage of course.
AvTvM said:Maximilian said:Hey, Canon! What kind of exchange rate is that???
Or did I get something wrong and the $2199,- are ex. VAT? ???
Yes. US price includes no VAT/sales taxes.
Nevertheless, if we take USD 2199 * 1,19 [19% VAT in Germany] * 0.77820 [USD -> € @ 3% interbank rate www.oanda.com] we would be at € 2.036,40 rather than at 2.499,-
Don't forget to take into account that most U.S. workers make less per hour than folks in other countries. Minimum wage in the U.S. is only $7.25 per hour.
Edit: Just did a quick Google search and see that "Last week, the lower house of Parliament in Germany voted to set a nationwide minimum wage of 8.50 euros an hour, about $11.60 (USD), effective in 2015. The upper house is expected to approve the measure this week."
That's a 60% increase over the minimum wage in the U.S. Not that everyone makes minimum wage of course.
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No, it's not.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00PGNMXQA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2UEY4ADR87JQD&coliid=I14768MTZMU5XD
squarebox said:
No, it's not.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00PGNMXQA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2UEY4ADR87JQD&coliid=I14768MTZMU5XD
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A product has a value (production+logistics+r&d+ etc.) that is (edit almost independent to the market you sell it.
Sales strategy is something different.
Second:
Please also goole up not only the gross but also the net income after all taxes, social insurance and also the costs for rent, living, etc.
(I'm not willing to do so. It's your argumentation.)
So your comparison isn't one. I can find no argument.
First:neosec said:
A product has a value (production+logistics+r&d+ etc.) that is (edit
almost independent to the market you sell it.Sales strategy is something different.
Second:
Please also goole up not only the gross but also the net income after all taxes, social insurance and also the costs for rent, living, etc.
(I'm not willing to do so. It's your argumentation.)
So your comparison isn't one. I can find no argument.
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The other thing to consider with pricing, as I pointed out in another thread recently, is income and what you get for your tax deductions.
In the USA minimum wage for many states is $7.25, in the UK minimum wage for over 21's is $10, for that $10 the UK worker has their health insurance paid, the USA worker doesn't, and the cost of that varies greatly but I pay $300 a month and get a very good deal.
The other thing to consider with pricing, as I pointed out in another thread recently, is income and what you get for your tax deductions.
In the USA minimum wage for many states is $7.25, in the UK minimum wage for over 21's is $10, for that $10 the UK worker has their health insurance paid, the USA worker doesn't, and the cost of that varies greatly but I pay $300 a month and get a very good deal.
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I agree 100%. I guess my point was that you can't make an apples to apple comparison by just using the currency exchange rate. There are many, many other factors to include in the calculation. My guess it that the bean counters set the price of the lens so it's similarly affordable to consumers in each first world country. Just a guess.
Maximilian said:First:neosec said:
A product has a value (production+logistics+r&d+ etc.) that is (edit
Sales strategy is something different.
Second:
Please also goole up not only the gross but also the net income after all taxes, social insurance and also the costs for rent, living, etc.
(I'm not willing to do so. It's your argumentation.)
So your comparison isn't one. I can find no argument.
I agree 100%. I guess my point was that you can't make an apples to apple comparison by just using the currency exchange rate. There are many, many other factors to include in the calculation. My guess it that the bean counters set the price of the lens so it's similarly affordable to consumers in each first world country. Just a guess.
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At the end it's not about "affordable to consumers" but max. profit and market exhaustion for Canon.
So IMHO the higher price in Europe/Germany tells me Canon is thinking we're dumb enough to pay it.
And then I say "NO!" and go along with my old 100-400L.
So what should be the price for that lens in... say... Bangladesh, Mongolia??? $500? (edit: Yes! You said " first world country", but...)neosec said:
At the end it's not about "affordable to consumers" but max. profit and market exhaustion for Canon.
So IMHO the higher price in Europe/Germany tells me Canon is thinking we're dumb enough to pay it.
And then I say "NO!" and go along with my old 100-400L.
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Don't forget that we normally get 2 years of warranty in Europe, while in the US it's 1 year. That also adds a bit to the European price. Not to forget the European repair centers with possibly higher paid workers. Also the usual support-costs/amount-of-sold-lenses is higher in Europe because of the various languages.
Still, I also don't always agree with the higher price, but luckily here in Switzerland (and several other European countries) we often get the items at a much lower price than the Suggested Retail Price.
Don't forget that we normally get 2 years of warranty in Europe, while in the US it's 1 year. That also adds a bit to the European price. Not to forget the European repair centers with possibly higher paid workers. Also the usual support-costs/amount-of-sold-lenses is higher in Europe because of the various languages.
Still, I also don't always agree with the higher price, but luckily here in Switzerland (and several other European countries) we often get the items at a much lower price than the Suggested Retail Price.
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I've found two Dutch stores that have the pre-order list it as EUR 2199, and Canon Netherlands on their Facebook also mentions 2199.
I think I might pre-order it at that price just in case ...
I've found two Dutch stores that have the pre-order list it as EUR 2199, and Canon Netherlands on their Facebook also mentions 2199.
I think I might pre-order it at that price just in case ...
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Yeah I saw that, but was quite skeptical as I wasn't seeing that price anywhere else. I did see the following where the MSRP is set at 30man yen though. Since the $2200 price listed here is the MSRP in the U.S. I thought it would be prudent to compare MSRPs.
http://cweb.canon.jp/newsrelease/2014-11/pr-ef100-400-f45-56l-is-ii.html
But it seems a lot of retailers are offering that lens for 26man so that's actually cheaper than the states. So it seems I over-reacted a little bit. By why would they set such an outrageous price right from the get go?
Zv said:
Yeah I saw that, but was quite skeptical as I wasn't seeing that price anywhere else. I did see the following where the MSRP is set at 30man yen though. Since the $2200 price listed here is the MSRP in the U.S. I thought it would be prudent to compare MSRPs.
http://cweb.canon.jp/newsrelease/2014-11/pr-ef100-400-f45-56l-is-ii.html
But it seems a lot of retailers are offering that lens for 26man so that's actually cheaper than the states. So it seems I over-reacted a little bit. By why would they set such an outrageous price right from the get go?
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