Canon's First Ultra-High-Sensitivity Multi-Purpose Camera Features ISO Equivalen

[gregory4000]

I think I can say this without any type of BS.

NO ONE here will buy this $30,000. Dollar Block.

I'm totally getting one to put up as a security camera for my driveway! That way, if somebody smashes the window on my $4k car, I'll have good video footage to find the culprit!

"But honey, it's an investment!"

I serious doubt that this camera is going to be marketed to Joe consumer , hobbiest or video company.
This has government surveillance written all over it.
This is design for a agent on one room to spy on someone in another or across the street.
The camera is not design for temps below freezing so it's not for outdoor or wildlife.
and for a 4 million iso to record in color, than, $30,000 sit in that perfect sweet spot
that governments will spend.

 

[scyrene]

I think I can say this without any type of BS.

NO ONE here will buy this $30,000. Dollar Block.

I'm totally getting one to put up as a security camera for my driveway! That way, if somebody smashes the window on my $4k car, I'll have good video footage to find the culprit!

"But honey, it's an investment!"

I serious doubt that this camera is going to be marketed to Joe consumer , hobbiest or video company.
This has government surveillance written all over it.
This is design for a agent on one room to spy on someone in another or across the street.
The camera is not design for temps below freezing so it's not for outdoor or wildlife.
and for a 4 million iso to record in color, than, $30,000 sit in that perfect sweet spot
that governments will spend.

Really? So it's always below freezing at night?

I'm sure "government surveillance" can already record images in most conditions very well.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: ISO 4000,000

With the A7s being fairly clean at half a million ISO, this cam is 'only' 3 stops better and 2mp vs 12?

Or is my maths off?

The images I've seen from the A7S did not look so good as you claim at ISO 409600, I'd expect them to look worse at half a million if the camera went that high.

They are quite usable at 25,600 which is way off 4 million.

 

[chukronos]

If this isn't in the new 5d mark IV, I'm switching to a smartphone with Olioclip glass.

 

[Proscribo]

If this isn't in the new 5d mark IV, I'm switching to a smartphone with Olioclip glass.

Nonsense! If this is released now and 5DIV is released later next year, it should have at least one stop higher ISO!

 

[gregory4000]

I think I can say this without any type of BS.

NO ONE here will buy this $30,000. Dollar Block.

I'm totally getting one to put up as a security camera for my driveway! That way, if somebody smashes the window on my $4k car, I'll have good video footage to find the culprit!

"But honey, it's an investment!"

I serious doubt that this camera is going to be marketed to Joe consumer , hobbiest or video company.
This has government surveillance written all over it.
This is design for a agent on one room to spy on someone in another or across the street.
The camera is not design for temps below freezing so it's not for outdoor or wildlife.
and for a 4 million iso to record in color, than, $30,000 sit in that perfect sweet spot
that governments will spend.

Really? So it's always below freezing at night?

I'm sure "government surveillance" can already record images in most conditions very well.

With those air vents, I would hate to take it out on the rain.
And of course, is not always freezing at night. But I'm sure many agencies will think twice before using it less than in ideal climate.
And yes the "government surveillance" can record images in probably any condition,
But in most likelihood, not with this camera.
But I'm only pointing out that for $30,000. As a strong example.....There is a market out there.

 

[IglooEater]

Hmm... ISO 4Million- I could do Milky Way shots hand held with an f/4 lens

 

[TAF]

Mirrorless and full frame with an EF mount.

You see - I knew Canon could do it.

Clearly, they're finally on the right track for the future of mirrorless.

Put an EVF on the top, and they've got a digital Rollei SL3003...just what I was hoping for.

Now to wait a few years until I can snag one on eBay for a reasonable price.

 

[TAF]

The big question is, how much DR does it have at ISO 100? If it can't do a 7+ stop push, it's junk.




8)

On a serious note, I'm sure Canon wouldn't put out such a high priced camera without it being able to produce excellent video at high ISO. Most serious video folks don't want AF anyway - they want to manually focus. I give credit to Canon's CEO who said (paraphrasing here), until they can come up with an AF system that links to people's brains - it will never fully satisfy users for video.

That CEO forgets that they more or less did just that with the eye-tracking focus on the EOS-3.

A technology that I really wish Canon would reintroduce. It would make the AF on the 5D3 a bit more user friendly.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

This looks like a drone-worthy little cube. Coupled with the ability to see in near pitch black conditions, it's a dream come true for law enforcement. And we'll-monied voyeurs.

Putting a 30K camera plus a lens on a drone would be gutsy! ;D

Not when you are spending 250 million on a global hawk.
This on law enforcement helicopters filiming car chases in the dark to provide proof for the courts. Has lots of places. Its not for the consumer but hopefully the tech flows down. Never know the 5dmk5 could have iso 4 mil

A 2.5MP 5D series might be a low production camera and cost $30K. The high price is there simply because there is no competition. If there was another manufacturer competiting, then the price will drop. It was pretty obvious that Canon bought Axis just to bring out products like this. Axis already has sales and distribution networks, with contacts in the law enforcement and military, so the combination is going to make big bucks.

Imagine, traffic signal cameras with no flash unit to let you know you've been photographed.

 

[Don Haines]

This looks like a drone-worthy little cube. Coupled with the ability to see in near pitch black conditions, it's a dream come true for law enforcement. And we'll-monied voyeurs.

Putting a 30K camera plus a lens on a drone would be gutsy! ;D

How about a 400K camera (including satellite data link)....

Been there..... done that..... ages ago.....

 

[Tinky]

The big question is, how much DR does it have at ISO 100? If it can't do a 7+ stop push, it's junk.




8)

On a serious note, I'm sure Canon wouldn't put out such a high priced camera without it being able to produce excellent video at high ISO. Most serious video folks don't want AF anyway - they want to manually focus. I give credit to Canon's CEO who said (paraphrasing here), until they can come up with an AF system that links to people's brains - it will never fully satisfy users for video.

That CEO forgets that they more or less did just that with the eye-tracking focus on the EOS-3.

A technology that I really wish Canon would reintroduce. It would make the AF on the 5D3 a bit more user friendly.

All for them bringing back ECF. It took me and my 3 about a month to get along well, but once we did we got along famously.

I don't know how good it would be for video though, video is contiguous, and your eye instinctively skips around, fine for stills, not so fine maybe for a 20s pull focus track... Also, ECF worked with the mirror down...
in video mode, it is up.. there would need to be some kind of delay / latitude built in as well, much like you can do ai servo tracking on the better cameras, so that the system wasn't being tricked by foreground objects, or by erroneous eye movements.

But yeah.. I'm with you.

 

[scyrene]

This looks like a drone-worthy little cube. Coupled with the ability to see in near pitch black conditions, it's a dream come true for law enforcement. And we'll-monied voyeurs.

Putting a 30K camera plus a lens on a drone would be gutsy! ;D

Not when you are spending 250 million on a global hawk.
This on law enforcement helicopters filiming car chases in the dark to provide proof for the courts. Has lots of places. Its not for the consumer but hopefully the tech flows down. Never know the 5dmk5 could have iso 4 mil

A 2.5MP 5D series might be a low production camera and cost $30K. The high price is there simply because there is no competition. If there was another manufacturer competiting, then the price will drop. It was pretty obvious that Canon bought Axis just to bring out products like this. Axis already has sales and distribution networks, with contacts in the law enforcement and military, so the combination is going to make big bucks.

Imagine, traffic signal cameras with no flash unit to let you know you've been photographed.

But wouldn't those be in well lit areas anyway? Major road junctions etc. Alternatively, IR lighting is much cheaper - you don't need colour images to issue a ticket.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

That CEO forgets that they more or less did just that with the eye-tracking focus on the EOS-3.

A technology that I really wish Canon would reintroduce. It would make the AF on the 5D3 a bit more user friendly.

I liked the eye controlled focus on my A2E... but that only had 5 focus points and they were all in a horizontal line... spread out pretty far.

Trying to get eye controlled focus with today's cameras with a 50+ focus points all over the place will be a bit harder to do. Can you imagine the calibration process?

No, I don't think we will see eye controlled focus on cameras with 50+ focusing points. The technology is there, but the weak link will be the variations of the human eye.... which a camera manufacturer can't fix.

I think the best that we can ever expect is using the eye to move groups of focus points and a multi controller does that today pretty well and quickly.

 

[nvsravank]

That CEO forgets that they more or less did just that with the eye-tracking focus on the EOS-3.

A technology that I really wish Canon would reintroduce. It would make the AF on the 5D3 a bit more user friendly.

I liked the eye controlled focus on my A2E... but that only had 5 focus points and they were all in a horizontal line... spread out pretty far.

Trying to get eye controlled focus with today's cameras with a 50+ focus points all over the place will be a bit harder to do. Can you imagine the calibration process?

No, I don't think we will see eye controlled focus on cameras with 50+ focusing points. The technology is there, but the weak link will be the variations of the human eye.... which a camera manufacturer can't fix.

I think the best that we can ever expect is using the eye to move groups of focus points and a multi controller does that today pretty well and quickly.

You should try using the multi controller during a dance and tell me how well you can track face. While face recog is good in 1dx it is non existent in Lower series. If you can use eye controlled, it will be a huge boon. Allows the eye to select the region!

 

[Proscribo]

You should try using the multi controller during a dance and tell me how well you can track face. While face recog is good in 1dx it is non existent in Lower series. If you can use eye controlled, it will be a huge boon. Allows the eye to select the region!

With multi-controller you at least know where the AF is, as he said, with modern AF systems with over 50 AF points eye-control would just fail miserably as the system most likely couldn't keep up with your eye and it wouldn't be accurate enough (you look at AF point X but the system makes a little error and focuses to point Y instead).

 

[weixing]

I think I can say this without any type of BS.

NO ONE here will buy this $30,000. Dollar Block.

I'm totally getting one to put up as a security camera for my driveway! That way, if somebody smashes the window on my $4k car, I'll have good video footage to find the culprit!

"But honey, it's an investment!"

I serious doubt that this camera is going to be marketed to Joe consumer , hobbiest or video company.
This has government surveillance written all over it.
This is design for a agent on one room to spy on someone in another or across the street.
The camera is not design for temps below freezing so it's not for outdoor or wildlife.
and for a 4 million iso to record in color, than, $30,000 sit in that perfect sweet spot
that governments will spend.

Really? So it's always below freezing at night?

I'm sure "government surveillance" can already record images in most conditions very well.

With those air vents, I would hate to take it out on the rain.
And of course, is not always freezing at night. But I'm sure many agencies will think twice before using it less than in ideal climate.
And yes the "government surveillance" can record images in probably any condition,
But in most likelihood, not with this camera.
But I'm only pointing out that for $30,000. As a strong example.....There is a market out there.

Hi,
There are "Outdoor camera housing" for security camera, so I don't think this is a problem.

Have a nice day.

 

[Tinky]

You should try using the multi controller during a dance and tell me how well you can track face. While face recog is good in 1dx it is non existent in Lower series. If you can use eye controlled, it will be a huge boon. Allows the eye to select the region!

With multi-controller you at least know where the AF is, as he said, with modern AF systems with over 50 AF points eye-control would just fail miserably as the system most likely couldn't keep up with your eye and it wouldn't be accurate enough (you look at AF point X but the system makes a little error and focuses to point Y instead).

My EOS 3 did a decent job once the camera had some time to get used to my eye, the system did get better with use... a lot of folks chucked in the towel. The EOS 3 is now 17 year old tech, and ECF could cope (in my experience) with 45 AF points back then.. I don't think 50+ points would be a particular barrier.

The system on the 5 (A2e) was pretty basic, but the ecf stop-down was a very cool feature, you could dial it in as a cf but you lost your ae lock button function. Didn't work in portrait either, the 50e was even worse, 3 af points...

 

[jeffa4444]

Im used to signing off on Arri Alexa or Amira cameras etc. for features & broadcast their is no way I would sanction paying $ 30K for this camera Canon have truly lost the plot.

 

[jeffa4444]

To put it in perspective a basic Alexa Mini is $ 36K and is UTV.

At its core is a Super 35mm format ARRI ALEV III CMOS sensor with Bayer pattern color filter array. ARRI claims it is capable of 14+ stops of sensitivity when shooting at an exposure index of 160-3200 (EI is essentially the same as ISO).

The unit can be operated in a variety of ways, including via wireless control. It also has an integrated lens motor controller (which allows new active lens motors to connect to the PL mount) allowing for focus, iris and zoom to all be controlled from an ARRI hand unit, wirelessly. This makes the ALEXA Mini 4K an excellent choice for use with a drone.

Physically, the Mini measures 185x124x140mm (7.3x4.9x5.5"), and weighs just 2.3kg (5lbs). ARRI cameras are known for being incredibly modular, and the ALEXA Mini 4K is no exception. The titanium PL mount can be swapped for an EF mount, and the camera can be used handheld with the addition of the ARRI MVF-1 viewfinder and a hand rig.

The unit can record in a wide variety of formats including HD, 2K, 4K and UHD and can also spit out native resolution outputs like uncompressed ARRIRAW 2.8K or ProRes 3.2k. Frame rates range from .75 -200fps. And a built-in set of motorized ND filters including a .6-stop, 1.2-stop, and 2.1-stop give even more exposure control. Other cool features: the sensor area can be switched from 4:3 to 16:9 and because the unit is symmetrical, it can be used in portrait-orientation, or upside down.