Canon's Next EOS 5DS Won't See a Big Resolution Bump

[ahsanford]

If they even keep the pixel size the same but improve dynamic range and, most importantly, sensor throughput and write speed (ie frames per second) then it'd be a killer upgrade.

There have already been rumors that they'll offer a true crop mode (where the raw files are cropped and the sensor only pushes through the cropped area so framerate is much faster) which can only be done with on-chip ADC.

This could turn the camera into a really powerful multipurpose camera rather than just a high-resolution specialty. Which is why, if they do this, I think they won't use the name 5DSR II, but it'll be the 2D, or 8D or something like that.

You are effectively describing a 5DS2 and 7D3 in the same body, i.e. you can throw (hypothetically) ~ 350 MB/s throughput at either 60 MP x 6 fps in FF or 24 MP x 15 fps in crop.

The problem with that idea, of course, is the mirror box and shutter don't get the luxury of a crop mode, so this would require 1DX-level internals to cover the high speed crop use. This would quickly become a $5000+ supercamera, and possibly obviate the need for folks to have a high detail camera and an action-oriented camera.

For those reasons, sure, moving up to a different (higher prestige) name branding is logical, but offering such a product at all is not. This is one camera that would prevent people from potentially buying two. I don't see it happening.

- A

 

[Deleted member 378875]

If they even keep the pixel size the same but improve dynamic range and, most importantly, sensor throughput and write speed (ie frames per second) then it'd be a killer upgrade.

There have already been rumors that they'll offer a true crop mode (where the raw files are cropped and the sensor only pushes through the cropped area so framerate is much faster) which can only be done with on-chip ADC.

This could turn the camera into a really powerful multipurpose camera rather than just a high-resolution specialty. Which is why, if they do this, I think they won't use the name 5DSR II, but it'll be the 2D, or 8D or something like that.

would a true crop mode mean that the cropped image filled the viewfinder ?

 

[Jopa]

50Mpx is quite enough actually. DPAF + some DR improvements = total happiness.

 

[Jopa]

WOW - what is Canon doing?

Making a lot of money. Other manufacturers, less so.

Have they given up on competing...?

You misunderstand: Canon is a for-profit business so the word "compete" in that context is a business term, not an engineering term. We may not be entirely satisfied with some of the sensor specs of many of Canon's products, but money still talks.

There is no doubt that certain photographers will find SoNikon compelling. If I could afford a D850 and glass I'd probably buy. But then, if I had that kind of money loose in my pockets I'd also buy a MF kit. Each purchaser must make an individual decision about which products to buy, and so far that favors Canon.

It totally makes sense to compare a high-end Nikon to a low-end Canon Don't feed the troll...

 

[ahsanford]

would a true crop mode mean that the cropped image filled the viewfinder ?

No, but folks won't mind if it gets you (say) a 2x FPS boost.

But I think it would be possible to have a VF switch to drop in a crop-mode viewfinder magnifier. It would be large/bulky (or change the top VF bump shape considerably), so I don't see it happening in the production camera. That screams optional eyepiece attachment and not standard hardware to me.

I think it would be more straightforward to simply frame the crop modes in the VF (see how the D810 does it here) and not try to magnify it.

- A

 

[Hornet]

By now we know how to predict Canon's newest releases - just look at what other manufacturers did two years ago

 

[ahsanford]

By now we know how to predict Canon's newest releases - just look at what other manufacturers did two years ago

We're actually quite good at predicting releases -- just the timing and name of them.

Canon is a creature of habit, so it's not hard to see what's coming next. But I wonder (for the umpteenth time) if Canon might accelerate the 5DS2/5DSR2 to better fall in line with the 5D4 so there isn't 'feature-set envy' for shoppers. They have relative parity in the prestige sense of things, but their staggered release timing might have some folks sit on their money at the time of one being released, awaiting for the next incarnation of the other product line to possibly have that one added extra thing they wanted.

For instance, how many folks are not getting the 5DS R they want because they're dead set the Mk II will have DPAF, on-chip ADC / better base ISO DR, DP RAW, etc?

- A

 

[wockawocka]

Whatever they do it needs to be good.

The D850 for example really has all the bells and whistles. As a 5D4 owner I'm envious of a Nikon for the first time ever.

Whatever Canon do they really need to sort out the delay between viewing the last image shot and the god forsaken buffer.

Memory is cheap, let us take more photos in a sequence dammit. It's really insulting.

I know it's been said that Canon likes to keep lines split but the 5Div has a more useful touchscreen than the 1DX. If canon were into holding features back then they dropped the ball on that one.

Give us a bigger buffer you assholes.

 

[Jopa]

By now we know how to predict Canon's newest releases - just look at what other manufacturers did two years ago

We also know how to predict newest troll's jokes - just look at what other trolls joked two years ago

 

[AdjustedInCamera]

I hope this camera gets a tilty-flippy screen for two reasons:
1) It's all I ever post about on this forum
2) It seems to me that it would be a great feature for a camera that would routinely be used on a tripod - let's you see the screen easily at any height
This would also allow the camera to better compete with D850

 

[keithcooper]

Yay - saves money for me

Well, if true, it looks like my bank account will be grateful, and I can revive my 'skip every other model' policy.

The 5Ds does fine - I still don't really care about video/AF/FPS so any 'quality improvements' would have to be stunning to matter. Adding 4k, DPAF, Digic 7 and a flip out screen might appeal to enough to bump sales, but not here (YMMV)

DR arguments come mostly from those that wouldn't know what it was if it fell on them, and all too many people who whinge about the 5Ds would do better with a 5D4.

Obviously requirements differ, but the 5Ds does a good job in helping me put food on the table ;-)

 

[ahsanford]

I hope this camera gets a tilty-flippy screen for two reasons:
1) It's all I ever post about on this forum
2) It seems to me that it would be a great feature for a camera that would routinely be used on a tripod - let's you see the screen easily at any height
This would also allow the camera to better compete with D850

I've come a full 180 on this feature over the years.

I can't see another Canon camera getting made without a tilty-flippy other than 1-series bodies. Whatever fears people have of them breaking at this point are dwarfed by the value they offer, especially with DPAF and the ability to shoot over your head by touch.

Unless you are exclusively a war correspondent or arctic wildlifer (or something), it's hard to build a strong case that you can't just leave an articulating screen locked in place.

I don't want to take the thread OT over a general feature debate, but I am curious to see if (for this thread) people think the 5DS/R2 will get tilty-flippy or not. Whaddya think?

The only way I see a 5DS/R2 not getting a tilty-flippy is because Canon is trying to maximize subcomponent volumes for cost and continuing to work off of the same chassis / frame as the 5D4 line.

- A

 

[Pookie]

Re: Yay - saves money for me

Well, if true, it looks like my bank account will be grateful, and I can revive my 'skip every other model' policy.

The 5Ds does fine - I still don't really care about video/AF/FPS so any 'quality improvements' would have to be stunning to matter. Adding 4k, DPAF, Digic 7 and a flip out screen might appeal to enough to bump sales, but not here (YMMV)

DR arguments come mostly from those that wouldn't know what it was if it fell on them, and all too many people who whinge about the 5Ds would do better with a 5D4.

Obviously requirements differ, but the 5Ds does a good job in helping me put food on the table ;-)

One of the most sane comments I've heard here in a long time.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Since Canon introduced the camera as a portrait/landscape version, I don't see any earth shattering improvements other than sensor performance. A tilt screen would probably be welcomed by most landscape photographers when it comes to low shots.
The "new" 5DS should be utilizing the 5D Mark IV chassis, so a couple extra features to cross over. If a tilt screen is adopted, good, but I don't think that is in the cards. I'm betting the change to a tilt screen will be the 5D mark V.

 

[Talys]

Re: Yay - saves money for me

Well, if true, it looks like my bank account will be grateful, and I can revive my 'skip every other model' policy.

The 5Ds does fine - I still don't really care about video/AF/FPS so any 'quality improvements' would have to be stunning to matter. Adding 4k, DPAF, Digic 7 and a flip out screen might appeal to enough to bump sales, but not here (YMMV)

DR arguments come mostly from those that wouldn't know what it was if it fell on them, and all too many people who whinge about the 5Ds would do better with a 5D4.

Obviously requirements differ, but the 5Ds does a good job in helping me put food on the table ;-)

One of the most sane comments I've heard here in a long time.

As opposed to...

"If Canon wants my business they have to start making cameras for benchmarks and spec sheets instead of photographers!"

 

[Takingshots]

It doesn't matter what consumers or loyal Canon fans want .. they are not listening. I waited for 6Dmkii but its release specs disappointed me for a 2K camera.
"Lost in transition to FF".
I thought they were going to upgrade the software ... no news on what the upgrade meant to be.

 

[NancyP]

I could go for a 6DIII with 20-ish MP and greatly improved dynamic resolution, very low noise without banding (astro suitable) and yes, the tilty screen would be handy. I haven't gotten into the remote-viewing-on-phone thing yet.

 

[unfocused]

I hope this camera gets a tilty-flippy screen...

I wouldn't hold my breath. The original 5Ds shares the same body as the 5D, presumably in order to save manufacturing and design costs. It seems very unlikely that the 5Ds would get a major body redesign that differs from the 5D IV. Doing so would significantly increase tooling and manufacturing costs for Canon and likely price the 5Ds out of the market.

 

[Lurker]

I wouldn't hold my breath. The original 5Ds shares the same body as the 5D, presumably in order to save manufacturing and design costs. It seems very unlikely that the 5Ds would get a major body redesign that differs from the 5D IV. Doing so would significantly increase tooling and manufacturing costs for Canon and likely price the 5Ds out of the market.

Unless, of course, the 5Ds II is just the first and all future 5D cameras will use the new body and have TFS.

 

[deleteme]

Re: Yay - saves money for me

Well, if true, it looks like my bank account will be grateful, and I can revive my 'skip every other model' policy.

The 5Ds does fine - I still don't really care about video/AF/FPS so any 'quality improvements' would have to be stunning to matter. Adding 4k, DPAF, Digic 7 and a flip out screen might appeal to enough to bump sales, but not here (YMMV)

DR arguments come mostly from those that wouldn't know what it was if it fell on them, and all too many people who whinge about the 5Ds would do better with a 5D4.

Obviously requirements differ, but the 5Ds does a good job in helping me put food on the table ;-)

Completely agree.