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What do you guys think are canon's most disappointing achievements this year? Choose 3, evaluate, an

  • an overpriced ff 6d package

    Votes: 25 37.3%
  • tons of expensive is primes

    Votes: 25 37.3%
  • a 24-70f4 is costing about $1,500

    Votes: 24 35.8%
  • the pro l L primes are loosing to new zooms(24-70's), and the new Sigma lenses are coming out on top

    Votes: 10 14.9%
  • a very nice 1dx, but the extermination of a pro crop censor for wild life shooters.

    Votes: 4 6.0%
  • 2new rebels in 1 year with a third on the way

    Votes: 5 7.5%
  • a curious mirror less eos m, with a second camera on the way, and only 2 lenses

    Votes: 11 16.4%
  • The combination of the 60d and the 7d, to make a combo, giving ameutures and pro's the same camera,

    Votes: 5 7.5%
  • The apparent idea of combining all the aps-c cameras, where all pros would have to move to ff, and s

    Votes: 8 11.9%
  • The 3d/4d talk, but no results

    Votes: 9 13.4%
  • No word and long postponement of the 14-24 l and 200-400

    Votes: 23 34.3%
  • Canon is leaving the amateurs in the dark with no 7d ii or 70d, and no new ef-s lenses

    Votes: 18 26.9%

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Overpriced 6D. 6D on it's own can be a spectacular camera. I just hope it will be $500 less than it's selling price since it's inferior (at least on paper) to a similar priced camera Nikon D600. This may be true only during initial launch though. Prices may go down to $1500 after 6 months or less.
 
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the 24-70 2.8 at $2300 really ticked me off....
all the super expensive, not so fast primes turned me off....
the $3500 5DIII really hit me hard....
the lame AF and $2100 price of the 6D was the last straw....
I bought a D700 and 24-70 2.8 in September, and I love them. It absolutely destroys my 5DC and 24-105.
 
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You should add to the poll, the 24-70L II at $2,300 does not have IS, yet the $1,300 Tamron 24-70 does have VC.

How is Tamron able to offer VC at $1,300, yet Canon couldn't offer it at $2,300???
 
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Well, two options here do hit the nail on the head for me. I like to take pics, enjoy the tech and tinker with raw files (I am an engineer, after all), but the current aps-c offerings just aren't cutting it.

Small size and low weight are important to me, or a camera won't get used much. FF, or even a 7d, are just to cumbersome. Already, the rx100 here gets used much more than my 550d. Add to that the ugly red/green blotches the 550 shows when pushing shadows a bit...

I would, however, very much like to have a 'proper' 50d replacement; give me a 70d with AFma, the 7d af system and a nice sensor upgrade, and I'll buy it. If not, I'll probably put even more emphasis on size and weight and start looking at a Fujifilm or Olympus mirrorless.
 
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SJTstudios said:
Canon's road through the photography world has become very bumpy, and I think many people have gotten lost.
Please help the community, and comment, add, or correct.
I'm not going to vote on "Canon's most disappointing achievements this year" because it's been a fantastic year for new products. Having used Canon for the past 10 years, I'm more pleased with Canon's new products than ever. The new products rock, from cameras to lenses to flashes. In a nutshell, the 5DIII, 24-70/2.8II and 600EX-RT have been game changers for me — they've each made my work better and easier. And there are other products that have been absolutely delightful, such as the 40/2.8 and the 28/2.8 IS. It would take me an hour to go into all of the details and how they make a difference. I don't mind the higher prices because you get what you pay for ... improved quality and reliability. Also, people still forget that the introductory price is not the price; the introductory price is only for those who must have it now.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Which lens has better IQ? Better AF? Which is weather sealed? Why does Tamron not offer those features?
Exactly! And which will last longer? Which will need fewer repairs, and get repaired faster if a repair is needed? Which will professionals trust for work in demanding situations? These are all factors built into the price. IMO, the Canon is worth the extra cost. That's not to say the Tamron is bad. But they are at different price levels for very good reasons.
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys!
But in response to those who think I'm bashing canon, I'm not, I'm just asking opinion on where canon is going, and seeing how prices have affected, amateurs, or people with smaller incomes. Everything canon makes is top-notch, even the 6d will probably best the Nikon d600. But canon should open up more, offer cheaper 2.8s, put is in the lenses that matter, like a new 50 1.4, and think about the aps-c crowd.
 
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A few thoughts about the poll options:

an overpriced ff 6d package — wait 6 months to a year for the real price.

tons of expensive is primes — expensive primes are good primes, cheap one usually aren't; the new primes were eagerly awaited by many photographers; the real prices will be lower than the introductory prices.

a 24-70f4 is costing about $1,500 — high quality costs, but wait 6 months to a year for the real price; and the popular 24-105/4L is still available.

the pro l L primes are loosing to new zooms(24-70's), and the new Sigma lenses are coming out on top! (35mm 1.4) — pro L primes get replaced with better versions gradually (24/1.4 II, 85/1.2 II) but then people complain about the price; zooms and primes aren't in a war with one winning and one losing; they each have their advantages notwithstanding any particular updates in any particular year.

a very nice 1dx, but the extermination of a pro crop censor for wild life shooters. — 1.4X TC solves that problem; the 1DX has other benefits which outweigh any advantage of a 1.3X crop factor; wildlife shooters did very well before the 1.3X crop factor existed and will be OK after it doesn't.

2new rebels in 1 year with a third on the way — Rebels are fine inexpensive cameras; lots and lots of people like them and are happy to see more.

a curious mirror less eos m, with a second camera on the way, and only 2 lenses — Canon has to start somewhere in the mirrorless market; of course there will be more and better cameras and lenses on the way; no manufacturer has introduced a rich, full system all at once.

The combination of the 60d and the 7d, to make a combo, giving ameutures and pro's the same camera, no seperation — I don't understand the problem here, especially with eleven dslr's in the current product line.

The apparent idea of combining all the aps-c cameras, where all pros would have to move to ff, and soccer moms would get 20mp, 10fps, and a pro body and not to mention some crappy ef-s zoom — not clear what "combining" you're talking about; Canon currently offers eleven dslr's so if pros and amateurs can't find a suitable model, they must search elsewhere.

The 3d/4d talk, but no results — model names in rumor talk are meaningless; the results are the 5DIII and 6D and whatever models come next year and the year after that; and with eleven dslr's in the current model line what is missing? I suppose a high-mp body, but surely that will come.

No word and long postponement of the 14-24 l and 200-400 — lenses are released when they are ready; meanwhile other great lenses are being released.

Canon is leaving the amateurs in the dark with no 7d ii or 70d, and no new ef-s lenses — new models are being introduced every year or two; just because something new doesn't get introduced this quarter doesn't mean people are "left in the dark"; again there are eleven current dslr's to choose from and 60+ lenses in the EOS system; if people "left in the dark" can't find a lens this quarter, they may be "in bright shining light" the next quarter.

In the end, there is no perfect camera company or camera system. Something will always be missing or inadequate for someone's exact current needs. If the grass is always greener elsewhere and the multitude of choices leave one "in the dark" and seeing doom and gloom, then maybe it's time to find another system. I understand that some photographers may actually and urgently need a long list of new camera bodies and lenses and features that Canon isn't currently offering, but then I have to wonder why they got into the Canon system in the first place.
 
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In 2012 Canon has disappointed me in the following order of magnitude (logarithmic scale!)
1) EOS-M ... underspecced, sluggish, consumer piece of crap
2) 5D 3 - weaker than D800 but way more expensive
3) 6D - very dissapointing, underspecced, re-packaged 5D 2 instead of a "FF 7D"
4) NO radio ETTL RT receivers for 580EX II/430EX II
5) 24-70 II WITHOUT IS but whacko price
6) ridiculously expensive WW lenses with IS I don't really need
7) still no kick-butt 14-24 2.8
8. no really decent new EF-S lenses ... especially no compact hi-end 50-150/2.8 IS
9) disappointing G15 .. useless
10) too big and too expensive G1X .. useless

ray of light:
1) EF 40 pancake ... NICE, love it!
 
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Zlatko said:
A few thoughts about the poll options:

an overpriced ff 6d package — wait 6 months to a year for the real price.

tons of expensive is primes — expensive primes are good primes, cheap one usually aren't; the new primes were eagerly awaited by many photographers; the real prices will be lower than the introductory prices.

a 24-70f4 is costing about $1,500 — high quality costs, but wait 6 months to a year for the real price; and the popular 24-105/4L is still available.

the pro l L primes are loosing to new zooms(24-70's), and the new Sigma lenses are coming out on top! (35mm 1.4) — pro L primes get replaced with better versions gradually (24/1.4 II, 85/1.2 II) but then people complain about the price; zooms and primes aren't in a war with one winning and one losing; they each have their advantages notwithstanding any particular updates in any particular year.

a very nice 1dx, but the extermination of a pro crop censor for wild life shooters. — 1.4X TC solves that problem; the 1DX has other benefits which outweigh any advantage of a 1.3X crop factor; wildlife shooters did very well before the 1.3X crop factor existed and will be OK after it doesn't.

2new rebels in 1 year with a third on the way — Rebels are fine inexpensive cameras; lots and lots of people like them and are happy to see more.

a curious mirror less eos m, with a second camera on the way, and only 2 lenses — Canon has to start somewhere in the mirrorless market; of course there will be more and better cameras and lenses on the way; no manufacturer has introduced a rich, full system all at once.

The combination of the 60d and the 7d, to make a combo, giving ameutures and pro's the same camera, no seperation — I don't understand the problem here, especially with eleven dslr's in the current product line.

The apparent idea of combining all the aps-c cameras, where all pros would have to move to ff, and soccer moms would get 20mp, 10fps, and a pro body and not to mention some crappy ef-s zoom — not clear what "combining" you're talking about; Canon currently offers eleven dslr's so if pros and amateurs can't find a suitable model, they must search elsewhere.

The 3d/4d talk, but no results — model names in rumor talk are meaningless; the results are the 5DIII and 6D and whatever models come next year and the year after that; and with eleven dslr's in the current model line what is missing? I suppose a high-mp body, but surely that will come.

No word and long postponement of the 14-24 l and 200-400 — lenses are released when they are ready; meanwhile other great lenses are being released.

Canon is leaving the amateurs in the dark with no 7d ii or 70d, and no new ef-s lenses — new models are being introduced every year or two; just because something new doesn't get introduced this quarter doesn't mean people are "left in the dark"; again there are eleven current dslr's to choose from and 60+ lenses in the EOS system; if people "left in the dark" can't find a lens this quarter, they may be "in bright shining light" the next quarter.

In the end, there is no perfect camera company or camera system. Something will always be missing or inadequate for someone's exact current needs. If the grass is always greener elsewhere and the multitude of choices leave one "in the dark" and seeing doom and gloom, then maybe it's time to find another system. I understand that some photographers may actually and urgently need a long list of new camera bodies and lenses and features that Canon isn't currently offering, but then I have to wonder why they got into the Canon system in the first place.

Thanks for the thoughts, I have my contradictions, and this could go on and on, but I'm just happy to hear new ideas :)
 
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Zlatko said:
SJTstudios said:
Canon's road through the photography world has become very bumpy, and I think many people have gotten lost.
Please help the community, and comment, add, or correct.
I'm not going to vote on "Canon's most disappointing achievements this year" because it's been a fantastic year for new products. Having used Canon for the past 10 years, I'm more pleased with Canon's new products than ever. The new products rock, from cameras to lenses to flashes. In a nutshell, the 5DIII, 24-70/2.8II and 600EX-RT have been game changers for me — they've each made my work better and easier. And there are other products that have been absolutely delightful, such as the 40/2.8 and the 28/2.8 IS. It would take me an hour to go into all of the details and how they make a difference. I don't mind the higher prices because you get what you pay for ... improved quality and reliability. Also, people still forget that the introductory price is not the price; the introductory price is only for those who must have it now.

+1

The 600EX-RT is an awesome new flash. Even at the original high price it's cheaper and way way better than buying flashes and radio triggers. No more running around to change flash power, or buying expensive TTL transmitters which half the time don't work. No other manufacturer has this, and honestly it's worth every cent.

The 40mm f/2.8 is a great little lens.

People have lots of opinions on the 6D, but it did introduce build-in WiFi and GPS to the DSLR world (at a time when people say Canon only copies others). And the 650D brought touch-screen to the DSLR world, and did it well - sure the pros may not care, but lots of people love it.

The only thing that I've been disappointed in, is the lack of 180nm CMOS chips. Canon really needs to address shadow recovery, since that's something must companies are beating them in.

Over all I think Canon has turned out some very useful products, many of which can't be found else where. Are some of the products failures, sure. The auto-focus on the EOS M is a disaster. However I'm far from writing off Canon because of that - every large company is going to put out some great products, and some duds given enough time.
 
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AvTvM said:
In 2012 Canon has disappointed me in the following order of magnitude (logarithmic scale!)
1) EOS-M ... underspecced, sluggish, consumer piece of crap
2) 5D 3 - weaker than D800 but way more expensive
3) 6D - very dissapointing, underspecced, re-packaged 5D 2 instead of a "FF 7D"
4) NO radio ETTL RT receivers for 580EX II/430EX II
5) 24-70 II WITHOUT IS but whacko price
6) ridiculously expensive WW lenses with IS I don't really need
7) still no kick-butt 14-24 2.8
8. no really decent new EF-S lenses ... especially no compact hi-end 50-150/2.8 IS
9) disappointing G15 .. useless
10) too big and too expensive G1X .. useless

ray of light:
1) EF 40 pancake ... NICE, love it!

Obviously Canon isn't hitting anything on your wish list this year. But each of those products is desired by and useful to someone else.

I did not get excited by the Eos M either. Love the small size, but not the lack of viewfinder or speedy autofocus. However, they make a ton of small cameras. If they make one that I don't buy, I'm not going to be disappointed with the whole company. The next version of the Eos M may be better; time will tell.

The 5D3 actually meets my needs much better than a D800 would. For other photographers, the D800 is much better. It all depends on their specific needs. The price is actually quite close, about 10% more for the 5D3 at the big dealers, so I don't know where you get "way more expensive".

The 24-70 II is an outstanding lens. It's so useful that I don't miss the IS feature. What you call a "whacko price" is the price it needs to be in order to be as good as it is. The price will likely fall 10% or more after the initial rush, so it will be near the price of the Nikon 24-70G. Before the new 24-70 II, Nikon offered a better 24-70 workhorse lens. Of course they did, but at a higher price. Canon's original 24-70 was much cheaper (about $500). No one complained about the wacko price of the original Canon 24-70, only the quality. Had either company targeted their 24-70's for a more modest price, they no doubt would have been worse lenses.

The G15 and G1X are obviously quite good and useful to some photographers — those who buy them. Just because they don't meet your specific needs this year doesn't mean they are useless.

I too love the 40mm pancake. And yet there are photographers who call the pancake useless too. They don't see the point of another 2.8 prime or any benefit to its compact size.
 
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