CIPA Camera Sales Data Released, Decline Continues
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Don Haines said:
in the camera I would like to get, you would just dial in on camera body "infinity focus" ... and the lens would be set to just that. So simple. No focus ring on lens or manual focussing required. We live in the 21st century, you know ...
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I must admit that I would love to see a decent touchscreen interface with a tap for micro-adjust out or in.... I think that in a few years, no new camera will be without one.... but I do love my manual controls as well...AvTvM said:Don Haines said:
in the camera I would like to get, you would just dial in on camera body "infinity focus" ... and the lens would be set to just that. So simple. No focus ring on lens or manual focussing required. We live in the 21st century, you know ...
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We definitely have agreement there!AvTvM said:
For me, the "fantasy come true" would be if the 6D2 was mirrorless, about the same form factor and similar controls, took the EF lenses straight, and they slap in a huge buffer. With no mirror, you can run a FAST burst mode, (my P/S is 100fps), and suddenly you can catch that action shot. I find that at 10Fps on the first shot the chickadee is still, the second shot you can see it getting ready to go, and on the third shot it is out of the frame...
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AvTvM said:
actually you're wrong. Sony had to gimp AF to use stop down aperture on many of their lenses because of focus shift and the lack of a "AFMA" capability to handle the shift of focus.
since the camera can't focus with a particular lens when unless it's stopped down. you are handily fu*ked if you wish to down stop the lens in a lower light situation to increase your DOF.
Facts ... and understanding of technology and their limitations is hard.
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Sharlin said:
I think it's clear now AvTvM is a genuine troll. He's started posting self-consciously bizarre stuff that revels in stupidity and openly wants to rile other forum users. I had him muted before, now I hope he gets banned from the forum, or goes the way of Dilbert.
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AvTvM said:
Where to even start...ugggg... your assumption is just that, an assumption that millions are like you.... that's where your delusional. Unless your a mind reader I really don't think you can speak for millions. Especially when the market data doesn't even come close to showing your anywhere near on target.
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unfocused
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Some things never change. Every time the CIPA data is released, we are treated to dunderheads who attempt to extrapolate industry-wide data to confirm their own distorted view of the market.
The data is actually pretty clear and contains no surprises.
The point and shoot market may not be quite dead, but it appears to be on life support. No company can compete against cell phones with general purpose point and shoots. Many are trying for niche cameras and some of them (mostly of the action-cam variety) seem to sell.
My own personal prejudice and extrapolation of industry-wide date to confirm my distorted view of the market: Had Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc., paid the least bit of attention to the marketplace 10 years ago, they would have seen the need to incorporate connectivity to their cameras. Instead they handed the market over to the phone industry on a silver platter.
Now, that AvTvM was "stupid" of Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Olympus, etc. etc. They might not have been able to save the point and shoot market, but they should have been able to cut their losses considerably if they'd designed cameras with internet connectivity, touch screens and basic editing and uploading aps all as an integral component of their cameras.
But, what is done is done.
Today's stats simply show that the interchangeable lens camera market is returning to historical patterns that characterized the camera industry before the advent of digital. Digital cameras are now a mature market. That market was never going to be able to sustain the growth of the first decade of the 21st century. It has nothing to do with offering or not offering mirrorless cameras. It's just the natural cycle of the market.
Fortunately, Canon and Nikon are very familiar with the boom and bust cycle of camera popularity (they've been through it many times in the past 80 years). That's why it's smart to invest in these tried and true systems. It's also why technology fetishists are likely to be disappointed in the offerings of all major manufacturers in the coming years as existing technology has reached diminishing returns.
The data is actually pretty clear and contains no surprises.
The point and shoot market may not be quite dead, but it appears to be on life support. No company can compete against cell phones with general purpose point and shoots. Many are trying for niche cameras and some of them (mostly of the action-cam variety) seem to sell.
My own personal prejudice and extrapolation of industry-wide date to confirm my distorted view of the market: Had Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc., paid the least bit of attention to the marketplace 10 years ago, they would have seen the need to incorporate connectivity to their cameras. Instead they handed the market over to the phone industry on a silver platter.
Now, that AvTvM was "stupid" of Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Olympus, etc. etc. They might not have been able to save the point and shoot market, but they should have been able to cut their losses considerably if they'd designed cameras with internet connectivity, touch screens and basic editing and uploading aps all as an integral component of their cameras.
But, what is done is done.
Today's stats simply show that the interchangeable lens camera market is returning to historical patterns that characterized the camera industry before the advent of digital. Digital cameras are now a mature market. That market was never going to be able to sustain the growth of the first decade of the 21st century. It has nothing to do with offering or not offering mirrorless cameras. It's just the natural cycle of the market.
Fortunately, Canon and Nikon are very familiar with the boom and bust cycle of camera popularity (they've been through it many times in the past 80 years). That's why it's smart to invest in these tried and true systems. It's also why technology fetishists are likely to be disappointed in the offerings of all major manufacturers in the coming years as existing technology has reached diminishing returns.
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I agree. Yet, 10+ years later and connectivity in DSLRs is still an afterthought, crippled, convoluted or all. Touch screens are fewcand far between, weatherproofing commands huge premiums, accessories are rediculously marked up and their software both Windows, OSX, Android or iOS applications suck. Firmware updates are few and far between and features are rarely added or improved upon.
Personally, I can't wait till one of the big 3 go under so "maybe" the remaining ones will get it through their thick Japanese skulls.
Personally, I can't wait till one of the big 3 go under so "maybe" the remaining ones will get it through their thick Japanese skulls.
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unfocused said:
Don't agree. With P&S I think you're right -- it would have been relatively easy to build a smartphone into a P&S camera. Certainly, Canon could have. I never use "connectivity" on my 70D: I don't use WiFi control (might some day), don't upload to FarceBook or SnackChat, don't edit on the teeny screen. I pull the SD card out, insert it into a USB adapter, then copy my photos over. I use my camera as a camera, not as a social media tool.
Better weatherproofing would be great.
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Orangutan said:
"I don't need moveable type, this quill works just fine."
"I don't want a gas powered buggy, my horses are just fine."
"What do you need a toilet inside for? The outhouse is just a few steps away."
"My typewriter works fine, why would I want a computer on my desk?"
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unfocused said:
Your point is taken, but exaggerated. The fact that I don't use it doesn't mean others won't find it useful, nor that I won't ever. My point was that these features would be well-placed on a P&S, but there's less demand on a DSLR.
In my opinion, connectivity will go the other way: cameras will reduce to lens and sensor, and you'll use your phone/device as the viewfinder and UI. It's already started happening with lens add-ons for smartphones.
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BasXcanon said:
You are like the armchair football watcher screaming at the television. Adjust the rabbit ears on the tinfoil hat and I'm sure your message to Canon will get through loud and clear.
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AvTvM said:YuengLinger said:
his 20k post will be a defensive Canon Defense League response to me.
Canon sucks. Canon is stupid! Neuro, defend your beloved Canon! Tell me, how stupid I am!
Why waste his breath? You already know how stupid you are.
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Orangutan said:
Yea, I don't use it too often on my 70D either because it's a convoluted PITA to connect and use. Imagine if cellphone WiFi worked live Canon has implemented it in the 70D. :
However, when I have the time and do use it or need it it is great to have.
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MiamiC70 said:Orangutan said:
Circular logic. Yes. There is "less demand". Mainly, because DSLR manufacturers don't offer it except on a handful of cameras and that is only recently.
Canon, at least, surveys its DSLR customers, so they likely know what features are important; i.e., what they're willing to pay for on a DSLR. By your reasoning, a manufacturer would have to offer every conceivable feature on one or more cameras to test demand.
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