Crop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

[tr573]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

I thought overheat issues relate to Mirrorless only, in fact 5d4 overheats with new codec :-\

In a lab, where they are testing, to see whether it does or not. (Assuming this rumor is even resembling the truth) That's the point is that Canon won't just shove something on the market that doesn't work.

 

[arbitrage]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

Some new source sure but together a nice wish list of things most people dream of for the 5D4 to have for video.

Chances of this coming true are very low.

 

[weixing]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

Hi,
Hmm... May be Canon will announce the above updates on 1st April, then on 2nd April, Canon will announce that the announcement on 1st April is not a joke... that'll be fun... ha ha ha... ;D ;D

Just hope the rumor updates is true...

Have a nice day.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I thought this was "Respect Your Cat Day" but I guess it is "Respect Canon Day"! ...Is this unprecedented for Canon to release,-if it happens--such an update/upgrade to an existing model? Is it a "bug fix" or is it an addition of features? Cool (literally if heat-sink talk is true, haha) !

No, they made major upgrades to video in the 5D MK II due to requests from major media producers who buy tons of cameras. I'd expect this was something similar.

I'm not into video, so its nothing to me, but I can see that it will be a nice improvement for those who do media production where big bucks are at stake. For wedding video photography, I doubt if the customer would ever know or care. They might watch the DVD's once, and put them away until their 50th Anniversary, and then find out that they could no longer be played.

 

[scyrene]

I think Canon finnaly get the memo.
- Marques Brownlee (best tech reviewer) "Preety much everyone making sort of customer 4K camera ... except Canon." https://youtu.be/f0NdOE5GTgo
- Casey Neystat (probably most famous vlogger) - recently switchet to Sony https://youtu.be/GTjy9VlsNaY
Just if it's true.. I hope they wake up and continue even with other products.

Out of interest, as I know very little about video, but is 'vlogging' where the demand for 4K comes from? So we can see the hairs and lines on people's faces better? But also, are people buying the 5D4 for this purpose? It seems overkill.

 

[scyrene]

So if true: it's also a huge score for the 4K crowd- all of our complaining worked and paid off. For all the naysayers who called the 4K crowd "whiners" and told them to shut up because Canon is profitable and knows what they're doing- this is a little proof that Canon does read the forum boards, that the little 4K crusade worked, and that Canon ultimately decided they agree with us. Even if it's only to protect the 5DIV from being cannibalized by the 6DII, it proves they listened and agreed on what video features were lacking. For those of us who haven't jumped on board with the new 5D, it's added incentive and sales will only increase because of it. Like it or not, these days, video matters.

Strictly speaking, this doesn't prove that assertion at all. We don't know why they've decided to do this (if it comes true). Several competing hypotheses have been expressed - it could be long-term repositioning of the lines (e.g. to differentiate more with the 6D2), it could be due to lacklustre sales, it could be due to direct feedback from consumers - especially big customers (i.e. not individuals). If you want to believe that whining on forums is the main decision maker at major companies, then you're free to do so, but it doesn't sound the most convincing one to me.

PS "crusade"? Really?? :

 

[scyrene]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

If this is true, which I sort of doubt, it will mark a defining mega change at Canon, revealing that they finally get that cellphones are destroying the camera market, and that they actually have to offer, real unique products, that don't compete with cellphones.

Is the addition of these features, which however unprecedented, are still just a few extra video modes in a camera predominantly aimed, it seems, at stills use (ergonimically, for one thing), "the" thing that will stem the tide of mobile phones eating into camera sales? People were giving up cameras for phones because phones give them, e.g. a slightly wider fov in 4K? Exaggeration is an understatement.

 

[davidhfe]

Strictly speaking, this doesn't prove that assertion at all. We don't know why they've decided to do this (if it comes true). Several competing hypotheses have been expressed - it could be long-term repositioning of the lines (e.g. to differentiate more with the 6D2), it could be due to lacklustre sales, it could be due to direct feedback from consumers - especially big customers (i.e. not individuals). If you want to believe that whining on forums is the main decision maker at major companies, then you're free to do so, but it doesn't sound the most convincing one to me.

PS "crusade"? Really?? :

Could be even more mundane: engineering trade offs that couldn't be resolved without missing the holiday ship date. Design, fab and test of a new heat pipe and a digic 6 implementation of XFAVC are both pretty big projects, and CR has a post a long time back that canon had already made some big (for them) mid-stream course corrections in the 5D4.

 

[Sharlin]

Could be even more mundane: engineering trade offs that couldn't be resolved without missing the holiday ship date. Design, fab and test of a new heat pipe and a digic 6 implementation of XFAVC are both pretty big projects, and CR has a post a long time back that canon had already made some big (for them) mid-stream course corrections in the 5D4.

Yeah, this. This doesn't sound like a project scrambled together in a few months based on post-release feedback and sales data. Speaking as a software engineer who knows how long these things take even if the average forum poster thinks software can just be magiced up at a moment's notice.

 

[transpo1]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

Anyone else think that a 5D C might be on the horizon? NAB maybe? This seems more plausible I think. Filmmakers perform the 5D form factor over the 1DC, so I thing the C will get passed down the line. If not this year, than next...

Certainly hope so- I've been asking for that for a long time.

 

[transpo1]

So if true: it's also a huge score for the 4K crowd- all of our complaining worked and paid off. For all the naysayers who called the 4K crowd "whiners" and told them to shut up because Canon is profitable and knows what they're doing- this is a little proof that Canon does read the forum boards, that the little 4K crusade worked, and that Canon ultimately decided they agree with us. Even if it's only to protect the 5DIV from being cannibalized by the 6DII, it proves they listened and agreed on what video features were lacking. For those of us who haven't jumped on board with the new 5D, it's added incentive and sales will only increase because of it. Like it or not, these days, video matters.

Strictly speaking, this doesn't prove that assertion at all. We don't know why they've decided to do this (if it comes true). Several competing hypotheses have been expressed - it could be long-term repositioning of the lines (e.g. to differentiate more with the 6D2), it could be due to lacklustre sales, it could be due to direct feedback from consumers - especially big customers (i.e. not individuals). If you want to believe that whining on forums is the main decision maker at major companies, then you're free to do so, but it doesn't sound the most convincing one to me.

PS "crusade"? Really?? :

More likely it's due to overall internet "whining," not just on this forum. But interesting that the issues being addressed mirrored all the ones discussed here, no?

P.S.
crusade
[kroo-seyd]
3. any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.:

 

[CanonGrunt]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

Anyone else think that a 5D C might be on the horizon? NAB maybe? This seems more plausible I think. Filmmakers perform the 5D form factor over the 1DC, so I thing the C will get passed down the line. If not this year, than next...

Certainly hope so- I've been asking for that for a long time.

Man my grammar and spelling sucked when I wrote this. *prefer, *think

Anyway, I'd love a 5D C personally.

 

[transpo1]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

Anyone else think that a 5D C might be on the horizon? NAB maybe? This seems more plausible I think. Filmmakers perform the 5D form factor over the 1DC, so I thing the C will get passed down the line. If not this year, than next...

Certainly hope so- I've been asking for that for a long time.

Yes, releasing a 5DC would be the quickest way for Canon to compete with the deluge of mirrorless video shooters. They should finally add peaking and zebras as well.

Man my grammar and spelling sucked when I wrote this. *prefer, *think

Anyway, I'd love a 5D C personally.

 

[Mr. Milo]

So if true: it's also a huge score for the 4K crowd- all of our complaining worked and paid off. For all the naysayers who called the 4K crowd "whiners" and told them to shut up because Canon is profitable and knows what they're doing- this is a little proof that Canon does read the forum boards, that the little 4K crusade worked, and that Canon ultimately decided they agree with us. Even if it's only to protect the 5DIV from being cannibalized by the 6DII, it proves they listened and agreed on what video features were lacking. For those of us who haven't jumped on board with the new 5D, it's added incentive and sales will only increase because of it. Like it or not, these days, video matters.

Strictly speaking, this doesn't prove that assertion at all. We don't know why they've decided to do this (if it comes true). Several competing hypotheses have been expressed - it could be long-term repositioning of the lines (e.g. to differentiate more with the 6D2), it could be due to lacklustre sales, it could be due to direct feedback from consumers - especially big customers (i.e. not individuals). If you want to believe that whining on forums is the main decision maker at major companies, then you're free to do so, but it doesn't sound the most convincing one to me.

PS "crusade"? Really?? :

More likely it's due to overall internet "whining," not just on this forum. But interesting that the issues being addressed mirrored all the ones discussed here, no?

P.S.
crusade
[kroo-seyd]
3. any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.:

You're a hater for no reason. The 5D Mark IV needed this with a lot of people jumping ship to Sony and the new Panasonic GH5. I don't care what Amazon sales say. Canon knew something was up; something BIG that was negative for them so they had to do this when they rarely do.

When this is in place, the 5D Mark IV is respectable and very competitive. I like it.

 

[transpo1]

So if true: it's also a huge score for the 4K crowd- all of our complaining worked and paid off. For all the naysayers who called the 4K crowd "whiners" and told them to shut up because Canon is profitable and knows what they're doing- this is a little proof that Canon does read the forum boards, that the little 4K crusade worked, and that Canon ultimately decided they agree with us. Even if it's only to protect the 5DIV from being cannibalized by the 6DII, it proves they listened and agreed on what video features were lacking. For those of us who haven't jumped on board with the new 5D, it's added incentive and sales will only increase because of it. Like it or not, these days, video matters.

Strictly speaking, this doesn't prove that assertion at all. We don't know why they've decided to do this (if it comes true). Several competing hypotheses have been expressed - it could be long-term repositioning of the lines (e.g. to differentiate more with the 6D2), it could be due to lacklustre sales, it could be due to direct feedback from consumers - especially big customers (i.e. not individuals). If you want to believe that whining on forums is the main decision maker at major companies, then you're free to do so, but it doesn't sound the most convincing one to me.

PS "crusade"? Really?? :

More likely it's due to overall internet "whining," not just on this forum. But interesting that the issues being addressed mirrored all the ones discussed here, no?

P.S.
crusade
[kroo-seyd]
3. any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.:

You're a hater for no reason. The 5D Mark IV needed this with a lot of people jumping ship to Sony and the new Panasonic GH5. I don't care what Amazon sales say. Canon knew something was up; something BIG that was negative for them so they had to do this when they rarely do.

When this is in place, the 5D Mark IV is respectable and very competitive. I like it.

Were you directing this towards Scyrene or myself?

You're absolutely right about 5D Mark IV- sales seemed good but they knew something was going on- the zeitgeist for video shooters was not with their new camera. And maybe they realized that people who buy Sony stills cams for video graduate to Sony cinema cams, not Canon Cinema EOS...

It's good to remember we say all this stuff because we love Canon products and WANT them to put these video features in their cameras so we can continue using them

Gosh, now I'm getting a bit misty-eyed for my 5DII which I sold after getting the 5DIII

 

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Theory on all this

Theory:
There was development on a 5DC going on in parallel to the 5D4, but in the end, they realized there wasn't enough differentiation between it and the 5D4 on one side and it and the cinema line on the other. As a result, they wouldn't be able to charge enough of a premium and sell enough of the 5DC to make dedicating a production line to it worthwhile. It is just much cheaper, production-wise, to keep it all in one line.

So they threw ideas around about announcing an early 5D5, etc., etc., but settled on upgrading the current production of the 5D4, so they'd make some incremental sales and not have an unprofitable, small-batch line they'd need to support separately.

There are several plausible theories like this as to why this strange development happened. I don't know if it's already been pointed out, though, that we're a couple days away from April Fools Day as well as - theoretically - a new Canon firmware announcement.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

I think anybody that believes there is going to be a factory hardware upgrade in such a high volume camera is in denial.

 

[YuengLinger]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

I think anybody that believes there is going to be a factory hardware upgrade in such a high volume camera is in denial.

Wow! We finally agree on something. After some time to consider, I think this rumor does seem less plausible.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

I think anybody that believes there is going to be a factory hardware upgrade in such a high volume camera is in denial.

Wow! We finally agree on something. After some time to consider, I think this rumor does seem less plausible.

Law of averages, you have to be right sooner or later

Having said that the last time I made a statement like that it was to pull the pre release photo of the 24-70 f2.8 MkII to pieces (the front element looks ridiculously yellow) and I was wrong, so maybe you are maintaining your 100% streak of getting stuff wrong and I am going 2 for 5,800+

 

[horshack]

Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More

Something has been bugging me about this announcement - why would a bigger heatsink help reduce heat inside a weather-sealed camera? Isn't the magnesium alloy case the only real way that heat can be dissipated out of the camera?

There are two separate considerations here - getting the heat off the chips (sensor, ASIC/DIGIG) and getting the heat out of the camera. The primary consideration is to get the heat off the chips (since those are what would be affected most), which means to transfer the heat from the chips into the internal ambient air inside the camera body. It may be that there is enough internal space/ambient air inside the body where the chips can continue to run below their max temperature even with the ambient air temp inside the body rising and causing a commensurate rise of temperature of the heatsink+chip.