Dpreview of the 80D

[xps]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review

Do you agree?
I´ve played some days with it (I suggest of buying it as an second crop body). Is it really behind its peers?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review/8 I had not so many unsharp pictures. And it was surprisingly well working with the 10-400II & 1.4III combo

 

[GMCPhotographics]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review

Do you agree?
I´ve played some days with it (I suggest of buying it as an second crop body). Is it really behind its peers?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review/8 I had not so many unsharp pictures. And it was surprisingly well working with the 10-400II & 1.4III combo

It looks like in the review the shooter doesn't get an initial lock...so the camera and lens are then struggling to re-adjust. This shouts of a poor technique from the reviewer...he's only a press hack I guess. To be honest...I steer clear of DPR....the forum isn't a nice place to hang out, there's a lot of weird and frankly ruthless attitudes there and their reviews are just glorified eye candy. There's nothing in those reviews which do much for me..except maybe comparing iso noise between similar cameras. The original owner was very biased towards Canon and very open about his opinion. I think you'll find there's very few 1D series reviews, certainly no 1DX but you'll find every Nikon Dx series reviewed...all with glowing reviews...like the D4, which they failed to mention the numerous lockups and AF issues which plagued every pro photographer that I met using one. Which is why so many pros got frustrated with Noik and traded in for Canon and the (working) 1DX.

 

[ritholtz]

I am not sure about confusion about selecting starting point during Servo AF. one can choose single point or zone or all points with starting point by cycling throw af selctor button. According to the review, a6300 is one stop better than 80d in high iso performance. That is too much a gap between same generation sensors.

 

[Deleted member 91053]

According to the review, a6300 is one stop better than 80d in high iso performance. That is too much a gap between same generation sensors.

Sony's are good to very good for high ISO but what about AF and range of lenses? They are just not in the running if your subject moves and/or you need longer focal lengths.
I would much prefer an in focus grainy image rather than a camera with better ISO with no lens at all - either because it doesn't exist or won't fit!
Sony have a long way to go before they make suitable cameras for the likes of people like me but at least they are keeping the other manufacturers on their toes which can't be a bad thing!

 

[Refurb7]

I personally don't care about any of the "cons" that DPReview finds. My 70D is a fantastic camera, and this 80D looks to be even better.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I think the review was accurate, but they did not try to optimize the AF for the moving target. I did not notice which lens they used, but it should not have made a huge difference.

I think that with the combo deals, the 7D MK II is a more advanced camera for only a little more.

 

[9VIII]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review

Do you agree?
I´ve played some days with it (I suggest of buying it as an second crop body). Is it really behind its peers?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review/8 I had not so many unsharp pictures. And it was surprisingly well working with the 10-400II & 1.4III combo

It looks like in the review the shooter doesn't get an initial lock...so the camera and lens are then struggling to re-adjust. This shouts of a poor technique from the reviewer...he's only a press hack I guess. To be honest...I steer clear of DPR....the forum isn't a nice place to hang out, there's a lot of weird and frankly ruthless attitudes there and their reviews are just glorified eye candy. There's nothing in those reviews which do much for me..except maybe comparing iso noise between similar cameras. The original owner was very biased towards Canon and very open about his opinion. I think you'll find there's very few 1D series reviews, certainly no 1DX but you'll find every Nikon Dx series reviewed...all with glowing reviews...like the D4, which they failed to mention the numerous lockups and AF issues which plagued every pro photographer that I met using one. Which is why so many pros got frustrated with Noik and traded in for Canon and the (working) 1DX.

Wow, DPR actually doesn't have a 1DX review.
EDIT: Shucks I guess I spoke too soon, they have a "D4S" Review in the works but nothing on the D4 (released around the same time as the 1DX), so their pattern is at least somewhat consistent. We'll see if they bite on the 1DX MkII.

 

[ritholtz]

According to the review, a6300 is one stop better than 80d in high iso performance. That is too much a gap between same generation sensors.

Sony's are good to very good for high ISO but what about AF and range of lenses? They are just not in the running if your subject moves and/or you need longer focal lengths.
I would much prefer an in focus grainy image rather than a camera with better ISO with no lens at all - either because it doesn't exist or won't fit!
Sony have a long way to go before they make suitable cameras for the likes of people like me but at least they are keeping the other manufacturers on their toes which can't be a bad thing!

In their review tests, A6300 focussed better than 80d. Not sure how they tested but 80d did very poor in their through view finder tracking test.

 

[KKCFamilyman]

I used both and personally the iso seemed close. The video was sharper on the sony but the touch to focus was invaluable to me for video's of the kids. There are so many more lenses than the sony. Also something abouth the feel of a medium lens like the 18-135 and 430 ex flash is well balanced vs the extremely cheap sony flash and 16-70 lens. It just felt like these large items are clipped on an iphone. Also I found the sony to be difficult in manually selecting a focus point. I never understood why people focus on high iso. The pics still have that lifeless sony look to them. I love the Canon processing. People look better and thats a large portion of my photography.

 

[Woody]

Side note, the A6300 is an impressive tool, but still a work in progress, no touchscreen, ho hum low light AF, cropped 4k, bad UI and unimpressive color rendition coupled with Sony's also in progress lens lineup that is quite pricey I might add.

Do not forget the awful QC (lots of decentered lenses) and built quality of their lenses which are extremely pricey. Turn-around time for Sony servicing is awful as well...

 

[Woody]

In the review, they claimed this:

"When tracking subject at a distance, using the telephoto lens, the 80D's Face+Tracking mode is much more easily confused than when tracking near subjects. This is especially true when the subject is moving quickly, as was the case in our biking demonstration. The above example was shot using a 70-200mm F2.8 lens at 125mm."

Do they seriously expect face tracking to work at telephoto distances when the subject's face is but a tiny blob on the image (see their photo)?

I am shocked by how far DPReview quality has fallen since the departure of Phil Askey (who has his own prejudices too... but certainly not at this level of silliness).

 

[Refurb7]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review

Do you agree?
I´ve played some days with it (I suggest of buying it as an second crop body). Is it really behind its peers?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review/8 I had not so many unsharp pictures. And it was surprisingly well working with the 10-400II & 1.4III combo

It looks like in the review the shooter doesn't get an initial lock...so the camera and lens are then struggling to re-adjust. This shouts of a poor technique from the reviewer...he's only a press hack I guess. To be honest...I steer clear of DPR....the forum isn't a nice place to hang out, there's a lot of weird and frankly ruthless attitudes there and their reviews are just glorified eye candy. There's nothing in those reviews which do much for me..except maybe comparing iso noise between similar cameras. The original owner was very biased towards Canon and very open about his opinion. I think you'll find there's very few 1D series reviews, certainly no 1DX but you'll find every Nikon Dx series reviewed...all with glowing reviews...like the D4, which they failed to mention the numerous lockups and AF issues which plagued every pro photographer that I met using one. Which is why so many pros got frustrated with Noik and traded in for Canon and the (working) 1DX.

It's likely poor technique, just not knowing how the camera works.

Some time back, there was a video on Youtube purportedly showing how the A6000 could AF track a skier better than some more expensive Canon. But the reviewer totally failed to grasp that the Canon was designed to acquire AF on the center point FIRST. This way the photographer could decide what to track rather than having the camera decide what to track. So, not knowing this, of course he started the AF sequence without locking on the intended skier who was not on the center point. And thus, voila, he "proved" that the Canon could not AF track as well as the Sony.

 

[Refurb7]

In the review, they claimed this:

"When tracking subject at a distance, using the telephoto lens, the 80D's Face+Tracking mode is much more easily confused than when tracking near subjects. This is especially true when the subject is moving quickly, as was the case in our biking demonstration. The above example was shot using a 70-200mm F2.8 lens at 125mm."

Do they seriously expect face tracking to work at telephoto distances when the subject's face is but a tiny blob on the image (see their photo)?

I am shocked by how far DPReview quality has fallen since the departure of Phil Askey (who has his own prejudices too... but certainly not at this level of silliness).

The 80D instruction manual p. 278 explains: "Face detection will not work if the face is very small ..."

 

[Aglet]

Sony's are good to very good for high ISO but what about AF and range of lenses? They are just not in the running if your subject moves and/or you need longer focal lengths.
I would much prefer an in focus grainy image rather than a camera with better ISO with no lens at all - either because it doesn't exist or won't fit!
Sony have a long way to go before they make suitable cameras for the likes of people like me but at least they are keeping the other manufacturers on their toes which can't be a bad thing!

It's far from comprehensive but the video link I posted in this topic

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=29683.0

may give you a better impression of what happens when the subject moves.
better yet, try an a6300 with a new G-series lens on it for yourself

I won't buy one... but I won't buy an 80D either; too pricey for the performance level right now.
I guess I'll keep a 60D & 40D around as a lens-cap for a few bits of remaining Canon glass in my collection.

 

[Woody]

It's far from comprehensive but the video link I posted in this topic

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=29683.0

may give you a better impression of what happens when the subject moves.
better yet, try an a6300 with a new G-series lens on it for yourself

In another thread, I also pointed to the same YouTube clip:

"From the 13:03 mark, a comparison between 80D live-view AF and 6300 AF was made. According to the reviewer, both cameras were EQUALLY impressive in terms of functionality, but given the ease of use of the 80D touchscreen, the advantage goes to the 80D. Of course, if single eye AF is desired, then only the A6300 has that capability."

People should just compare apple to apple: live view on A6300 (well, there's no optical view to speak of anyway) against live view on 80D. I have tried AF tracking on both the A6300 and 80D (live view, of course), and I agree with MichaelTheMentor (from the youtube clip above), BOTH are EQUALLY impressive.

To me, the availability of touchscreen on the 80D makes a WHOLE NEW WORLD OF DIFFERENCE. I don't care about single eye AF.

 

[Woody]

Another note, many reviewers (esp. DPReview) love to compare the 45 or 61 AF points in optical viewfinder of DSLRs to the 425 AF points in A6300. Then, they wax lyrical about the number of A6300 AF points.

Errr... doesn't the 80D have 80% * 24 MP, that is, 19.2 million AF points in live view?

 

[rishi_sanyal]

Another note, many reviewers (esp. DPReview) love to compare the 45 or 61 AF points in optical viewfinder of DSLRs to the 425 AF points in A6300. Then, they wax lyrical about the number of A6300 AF points.

Errr... doesn't the 80D have 80% * 24 MP, that is, 19.2 million AF points in live view?

No, each single pixel is not an AF point - you need strips of pixels to form an AF point.

In other words, Sony's a6300 has many more than 425 masked pixels, but they only report the effective number of focus points.

Don't get me wrong - dual pixel AF is one of the best innovations to date, but it certainly doesn't have anywhere near 19.2 million AF points.

Rishi
Technical Editor, dpreview.com

 

[rishi_sanyal]

In the review, they claimed this:

"When tracking subject at a distance, using the telephoto lens, the 80D's Face+Tracking mode is much more easily confused than when tracking near subjects. This is especially true when the subject is moving quickly, as was the case in our biking demonstration. The above example was shot using a 70-200mm F2.8 lens at 125mm."

Do they seriously expect face tracking to work at telephoto distances when the subject's face is but a tiny blob on the image (see their photo)?

I am shocked by how far DPReview quality has fallen since the departure of Phil Askey (who has his own prejudices too... but certainly not at this level of silliness).

We didn't use face detection for those AF tests. We used (subject) tracking, where you tap your subject to tell the camera to follow it.

Canon calls it 'Face+Tracking', and yes it conflates face detection and subject tracking, but we certainly didn't use face tracking to focus on our biker at telephoto distances.

That would be silly, so to speak.

Rishi
Technical Editor, dpreview.com

 

[Larsskv]

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[Orangutan]

Another note, many reviewers (esp. DPReview) love to compare the 45 or 61 AF points in optical viewfinder of DSLRs to the 425 AF points in A6300. Then, they wax lyrical about the number of A6300 AF points.

Errr... doesn't the 80D have 80% * 24 MP, that is, 19.2 million AF points in live view?

No, each single pixel is not an AF point - you need strips of pixels to form an AF point.

Why strips? Is that for DPAF or generic contrast-detection?