EOS-1D X Mark II Dynamic Range [CR2]

[Eldar]

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

Ha Ha love this! As a "musician" in the old sense of the word I watched as a new generation used computers to make up for a lack of ability. Suddenly everyone could make music. I have kind of always seen the DR thing as this in photography terms. Forget learning how to expose a scene correctly, its just easier to slag off canon because sony give you more leverage to make up the lack of skill needed.

I also find this laughable. All these photographers that are so good, apparently you are amongst them, who always get the exposure right. when following a subject from shadow to bright sun, from dark background to bright background etc. etc. you always get your exposure right. God I am envious and I wonder what I am doing wrong ...
A bright sunny day, with white clouds, white beach, dark green leaves on trees and interesting details in the shadows. Apparently that is no problem for you, because you know how to get your exposure right. I wonder what I am doing wrong, when I have shadows with no detail (worth having) and blown skies in the same image ...

When Canon now finally add DR and hopefully good noise performance to their sensors, it is very good news. Resolution, dynamic range, noise performance, contrast, color and ISO range are fundamental qualities for a camera. Canon has not been good at DR and noise, compared to the competition. If this rumor turns out to be true, they will finally complement a system that beats all the others in pretty much every other department.

 

[Stu_bert]

Do you think it will be dual read out with the same old sensor, or a new sensor technology altogether?

probably dual read, maybe dual pixels like the 70D, but not used for AF, but used for simultaneous dual exposure.

Otherwise, it's difficult to see how one could get higher DR than what Sony has.

Same tech as the C300 II, but honestly I don't mind if they have a particle accelerator in there, or a singularity doing the magic . Nor do I care if they've moved to a new fab (which I doubt, btw).

If I get an improved image quality, finally ISO 16, maybe a few more MP even better AF, improved video and accessory compatibility with the other 1xx bodies then thank you Canon.

I would be happy, but doubt, that all bodies will get it initially. A 50MP 1xx version of this might finally convince me to flog some other bodies...

 

[Diko]

It's so sad. High ISO and best DR.... No more DRones.... Zlatko, things will never be the same again.

Creativity has nothing to do with it. Nikon and SONY will be left in the dust. No more rivals... Everything will be perfect...

TheMatrix is no more. We all are gonna die.

 

[Eldar]

TheMatrix [/b]is no more. We all are gonna die.

Yupp, we´re off to Nirvana, with the ultimate camera

 

[rbielefeld]

I shoot mostly birds, and birds in flight are my passion. High performance of the overall camera system in capturing these types of images is what I covet most. The 1Dx gives me very high performance. Given bird photography is subject photography and getting the proper exposure on your subject is all important; at the detriment of foregrounds and backgrounds at times, I would love even better noise and DR performance than what the 1Dx currently provides. Does the 1Dx absolutely need better noise and DR performance to make great images, no, but better performance in these areas sure would not hurt. Bring them on! I will take advantage as best I can.

 

[Creative69]

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

Ha Ha love this! As a "musician" in the old sense of the word I watched as a new generation used computers to make up for a lack of ability. Suddenly everyone could make music. I have kind of always seen the DR thing as this in photography terms. Forget learning how to expose a scene correctly, its just easier to slag off canon because sony give you more leverage to make up the lack of skill needed.

I also find this laughable. All these photographers that are so good, apparently you are amongst them, who always get the exposure right. when following a subject from shadow to bright sun, from dark background to bright background etc. etc. you always get your exposure right. God I am envious and I wonder what I am doing wrong ...
A bright sunny day, with white clouds, white beach, dark green leaves on trees and interesting details in the shadows. Apparently that is no problem for you, because you know how to get your exposure right. I wonder what I am doing wrong, when I have shadows with no detail (worth having) and blown skies in the same image ...

When Canon now finally add DR and hopefully good noise performance to their sensors, it is very good news. Resolution, dynamic range, noise performance, contrast, color and ISO range are fundamental qualities for a camera. Canon has not been good at DR and noise, compared to the competition. If this rumor turns out to be true, they will finally complement a system that beats all the others in pretty much every other department.

Yeah..... nice try but I aint biting!

 

[zlatko]

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

Ha Ha love this! As a "musician" in the old sense of the word I watched as a new generation used computers to make up for a lack of ability. Suddenly everyone could make music. I have kind of always seen the DR thing as this in photography terms. Forget learning how to expose a scene correctly, its just easier to slag off canon because sony give you more leverage to make up the lack of skill needed.

I also find this laughable. All these photographers that are so good, apparently you are amongst them, who always get the exposure right. when following a subject from shadow to bright sun, from dark background to bright background etc. etc. you always get your exposure right. God I am envious and I wonder what I am doing wrong ...
A bright sunny day, with white clouds, white beach, dark green leaves on trees and interesting details in the shadows. Apparently that is no problem for you, because you know how to get your exposure right. I wonder what I am doing wrong, when I have shadows with no detail (worth having) and blown skies in the same image ...

When Canon now finally add DR and hopefully good noise performance to their sensors, it is very good news. Resolution, dynamic range, noise performance, contrast, color and ISO range are fundamental qualities for a camera. Canon has not been good at DR and noise, compared to the competition. If this rumor turns out to be true, they will finally complement a system that beats all the others in pretty much every other department.

It's not about being "so good" that we "always get the exposure right". Not at all. I have no special gift for exposure. But for years now I have been able to mess up exposures by as much as +/- 2 stops. And most of the time I'm within +/- 1 stop. Has there ever been an exposure that I messed up even more than 2 stops? Of course, and sometimes those are fixable too. But +/- 2 stops is a *very* big range, covering quite a lot of shooting situations. Anyone with access to a light meter should be able to get within +/- 2 stops pretty easily.

I realize it may not be enough for everyone in every situation. And perhaps some people never look at their LCD to check exposure (though I don't understand them). I'm not against more dynamic range; of course that is good news! What is objectionable/funny to me is setting up a 5-stop push of underexposed base ISO shots as the standard by which all camera sensors are judged — that's a "standard" cherry picked to put Sony/Nikon on a pedestal. We've all seen those horrid examples where the Canon 5-stop push looks like crap and the Sony/Nikon still looked OK. These get paraded all the time as if they are something we should all be anxious for Canon to "fix".

 

[Eldar]

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

Ha Ha love this! As a "musician" in the old sense of the word I watched as a new generation used computers to make up for a lack of ability. Suddenly everyone could make music. I have kind of always seen the DR thing as this in photography terms. Forget learning how to expose a scene correctly, its just easier to slag off canon because sony give you more leverage to make up the lack of skill needed.

I also find this laughable. All these photographers that are so good, apparently you are amongst them, who always get the exposure right. when following a subject from shadow to bright sun, from dark background to bright background etc. etc. you always get your exposure right. God I am envious and I wonder what I am doing wrong ...
A bright sunny day, with white clouds, white beach, dark green leaves on trees and interesting details in the shadows. Apparently that is no problem for you, because you know how to get your exposure right. I wonder what I am doing wrong, when I have shadows with no detail (worth having) and blown skies in the same image ...

When Canon now finally add DR and hopefully good noise performance to their sensors, it is very good news. Resolution, dynamic range, noise performance, contrast, color and ISO range are fundamental qualities for a camera. Canon has not been good at DR and noise, compared to the competition. If this rumor turns out to be true, they will finally complement a system that beats all the others in pretty much every other department.

It's not about being "so good" that we "always get the exposure right". Not at all. I have no special gift for exposure. But for years now I have been able to mess up exposures by as much as +/- 2 stops. And most of the time I'm within +/- 1 stop. Has there ever been an exposure that I messed up even more than 2 stops? Of course, and sometimes those are fixable too. But +/- 2 stops is a *very* big range, covering quite a lot of shooting situations. Anyone with access to a light meter should be able to get within +/- 2 stops pretty easily.

I realize it may not be enough for everyone in every situation. And perhaps some people never look at their LCD to check exposure (though I don't understand them). I'm not against more dynamic range; of course that is good news! What is objectionable/funny to me is setting up a 5-stop push of underexposed base ISO shots as the standard by which all camera sensors are judged — that's a "standard" cherry picked to put Sony/Nikon on a pedestal. We've all seen those horrid examples where the Canon 5-stop push looks like crap and the Sony/Nikon still looked OK. These get paraded all the time as if they are something we should all be anxious for Canon to "fix".

I agree, that this whole thing about DR has derailed, with stupid arguments and loads of very poor examples. To me it is very simple. I have numerous images where improved DR would have been beneficial, so I want more. I have numerous images where noise is an issue. I want less. DR and noise are (in my opinion) the only areas where Canon is lagging behind Sony and Nikon. If the 1DXII will solve that, then Canon is back on top in everything that matters to me (I don´t care about video, so that may be a different story ...)

 

[Matthew Saville]

Canon skin tones have long been a selling point for wedding and portrait photographers, and if they sacrifice that in favor of extreme DR, there will definitely be a riot.

Amen. Much as I'd love a little more DR, it plays second (third? fourth?) fiddle to skin tone for my work. Nikon skin tones make me throw up in my mouth.

Don't high-horse too much; Canon's 5D mk3 skin tones are still a step back from the 5D classic. Or maybe it's just that back then many of us wedding / portrait shooters actually shot JPG, and its Adobe who is butchering the RAW processing horribly. I know my Nikon skin tones look pretty gorgeous in JPG form, it's Adobe I hate for their piss-poor handling of Nikon reds/yellows. ;-)

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

<..>
Those who sing praises in honor of EXMOR sensors, only care about dynamic range at ISO100. These people do not care if EXMOR loses the advantage of DR in ISO1600 and above that.

Marked red in the statement above is completely wrong for quite some time already.
Please see attached comparison chart between 1Dx ,5DM3 and Sony A7S.
For me personally I started using A7S firstly just because it is about half stop better at high ISO compared to 1DX and secondly because it is much easier to carry it around compared with 1DX due to smaller size and smaller weight.
Combined with the new Zeiss FE 35 F/1.4 ZA it is very handy at low light conditions.
I will post few pictures done with this combo later in 3 party manufactures section.

Currently A7S is about two stops better at low ISO DR and half stop better than 1DX at high ISO.
I hope that new 1DX II will be at least half stop (or preferably 1 stop ) better than current A7S at high ISO.
This would be very significant move forward.
It also would be nice to see Foveon like sensor tech but probably this will not happen this time, probably only after Sony will present that in their new cameras (Sony mentioned some time ago that they are working on this technology but so far it is too expensive to be used in new cameras)

In fact, the graph DXO Mark you mentioned, does not contradict my statement.

I said "EXMOR lose the vantage of DR in ISO1600 and above that."

The graph shows a technical tie in ISO1600, ISO3200 1DX has higher DR, and ISO6400 is more a technical tie.

Furthermore, Sony A7S is a more recent model, and has only 12 megapixel. It would be shameful if Sony does not have any gain from these advantages.

 

[Sporgon]

<..>
Those who sing praises in honor of EXMOR sensors, only care about dynamic range at ISO100. These people do not care if EXMOR loses the advantage of DR in ISO1600 and above that.

Marked red in the statement above is completely wrong for quite some time already.
Please see attached comparison chart between 1Dx ,5DM3 and Sony A7S.
For me personally I started using A7S firstly just because it is about half stop better at high ISO compared to 1DX and secondly because it is much easier to carry it around compared with 1DX due to smaller size and smaller weight.
Combined with the new Zeiss FE 35 F/1.4 ZA it is very handy at low light conditions.
I will post few pictures done with this combo later in 3 party manufactures section.

Currently A7S is about two stops better at low ISO DR and half stop better than 1DX at high ISO.
I hope that new 1DX II will be at least half stop (or preferably 1 stop ) better than current A7S at high ISO.
This would be very significant move forward.
It also would be nice to see Foveon like sensor tech but probably this will not happen this time, probably only after Sony will present that in their new cameras (Sony mentioned some time ago that they are working on this technology but so far it is too expensive to be used in new cameras)

In fact, the graph DXO Mark you mentioned, does not contradict my statement.

I said "EXMOR lose the vantage of DR in ISO1600 and above that."

The graph shows a technical tie in ISO1600, ISO3200 in victory 1DX, and more a technical tie in ISO6400.

So the Sony team are fielding a 2014 specialist 12 mp low light camera against the 2012, 18 mp Canon action camera ? Hmmmm, reminds me of the UK election going on at the moment.

 

[SwnSng]

It took 8 pages before this meme was posted. A lot disappointed in you alls.

 

[9VIII]

Don't forget to put the lenscap on

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

Crap. I knew I was doing something wrong.

I guess I need to go back and re-take all those Disneyland pics.
We need to start a petition to have a special night event where they turn all the lights off.

 

[9VIII]

<p>Beyond the increased ISO capabilities of the EOS-1D X Mark II, we’re told that dynamic range is going to see a massive improvement, and possibly have the most stops of any DSLR currently on the market. It’s always possible that Sony will do something in the meantime with their new sensors to increase their lead in stops of DR.</p>
<p>It’s also sounding like a new DIGIC 7 processor will make its way into the EOS-1D X Mark II, instead of going with the DIGIC 6 processor that was introduced in 2013. The current EOS-1D X uses dual DIGIC 5+ processors.</p>
<p>More to come…</p>

Are they going to clean up shadows while they're at it or leave the sensor being the noisiest?

Dilbert, can you please explain to us how sensor noise is going to ruin every picture we take?

 

[tpatana]

It took 8 pages before this meme was posted. A lot disappointed in you alls.

I was just about to post this

 

[Ozarker]

It is – and always has been – about the whole system, silly...

To you? What strobes do you use? Oh yeah, Paul C Buff. What tripod? Oh yeah, Really Right Stuff. Shall I continue, Mr. Silly System? I can use all of my L glass on a Sony body. They do not need the loving Canon body touch to do their magic.

Oh, but the loving touch of a Canon body nestled up next to a Canon 600mm f/4 sure is nice when you want to capture images like this: hand held! It is all about the Canon system for my type of shooting.

Best Osprey photo I have ever seen. It is photos like yours that turned me into a Canon fan boy to begin with. Very nice work.

 

[NancyP]

rbielefeld - Wow, what captures! As exciting as a new top-level camera can be, I am more impressed with actual skills like yours. DR is all well and good, but skills are better.

I am just poking along in bird photography with a lowly 60D and EF 400 f/5.6L no-IS (almost entirely handheld), I am happy if I get the bird sharp and occupying more than a few pixels in the frame. Admittedly I don't concentrate in one type of photography, and putzing with landscape and macro and wide-field astro means that I get a little skill in those areas but don't keep the kind of constant practice in stalking and panning the birds that is necessary to get top-quality BIF shots like yours. It is like playing an instrument - you skip a day of practice, you know it; you skip two days, your teacher knows it; you skip three days, your audience knows it.

I hope to get more shooting time in, and I aspire to 1. better-developed muscles for BIF shooting with a heavier kit 2. a 500 or 600 f/4 L IS, v.II preferably (see #1, wimpy arms) 3. a body that can bang out 8 to 12 fps maximum rate. Work on #1 pumping iron, rent big lens and fast body for a week's vacation, see if I can handle it.

 

[danski0224]

All I can say is that the next X best be gluten-free.

 

[K]

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

LOL!

Best post in this thread.

 

[serendipidy]

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

LOL!

Best post in this thread.

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