EOS-1D X Mark II Dynamic Range [CR2]

[Aglet]

A7S = Very Special Animal. The Exmor used in the Nikon D810 (and A7R) is what is compared to the 5D3 and 1DX.

Despite that, the d8x0 sensors don't give up anything across the range to 5d3 and are only marginally behind a 1dx at very hi iso where the more appropriate D4s comparison shows it's pretty much equal using a design similarly optimized for speed and low light.

 

[Aglet]

It occurs to me that I may be on the cusp of a whole new arena of photography...but if so, I'll need some help. Perhaps Aglet will teach me the proper way to shoot with the lens cap on,..

I'm sorry, that's proprietary.
Oh wait, that's fracking.

ahem... so... how many stops of DR do you need to shoot a BIF anyway?...
Let's make it more relevant, a backlit black one?...
After all, you're properly exposing it, right?...

 

[emko]

hope the next 5D gets this sensor if not i think i will go to Nikon, i have no use for the 1DX

 

[starship]

i don´t care about religion...

i don´t care about religion...

so, for me personally, brand atheism is logical. over the last 7 years, I used canon-stuff for my work.

but for a couple of years I also waited to throw 2 or 3 thousand bucks into the arms of canon for a dslr with the quality of a "sony-like" sensor. with 14ev dynamic range and a good high iso-performance.

but I`m really fed up with this "waiting for godot"-drama. so, this month, I bought a nikon d750 and a couple of lenses. i don´t care about all the guys telling me and others, that people like me are just not capable to make a proper exposure.

enough is enough. I wanted a good tool for my work, and finally I got one.

canon simply missed the chance to get my money.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I hope so. I have 1.9 feet out the door. I guess I'll wait to later this year to see what pans out, but that's it. And I'm only waiting at this point since I have to some other bills to pay now at the moment so the any new gear was not going to be until late this summer anyway. And we'll see if it is tech that they can ever do at more than a low MP count or not or if they plan to hold it for one series only for another few years (forget it).

A side note: doesn't this rumor bring a bit more credence back to the 5D4c 4k with high DR rumor again? If so, then things might be getting interesting at Canon again (other than for lenses which have remained interesting ever since they came out with the EOS EF mount).

 

[Orangutan]

Re: i don´t care about religion...

I bought a nikon d750 and a couple of lenses.

I hope you enjoy it.

 

[TeT]

It occurs to me that I may be on the cusp of a whole new arena of photography...but if so, I'll need some help. Perhaps Aglet will teach me the proper way to shoot with the lens cap on,..

I'm sorry, that's proprietary.
Oh wait, that's fracking.

ahem... so... how many stops of DR do you need to shoot a BIF anyway?...
Let's make it more relevant, a backlit black one?...
After all, you're properly exposing it, right?...

a backlit bird is tough. One system doesnt have the DR, another system doesn't have the AF and Nikons are just backwards to me...

 

[Orangutan]

ahem... so... how many stops of DR do you need to shoot a BIF anyway?...
Let's make it more relevant, a backlit black one?...
After all, you're properly exposing it, right?...

I'd like to see a Nikon sample of that if you have one. Depending on time of day it could be 18-20 stops of DR to get the bird and the sky. More DR would help in some circumstances.

 

[sanj]

It occurs to me that I may be on the cusp of a whole new arena of photography...but if so, I'll need some help. Perhaps Aglet will teach me the proper way to shoot with the lens cap on,..

I'm sorry, that's proprietary.
Oh wait, that's fracking.

ahem... so... how many stops of DR do you need to shoot a BIF anyway?...
Let's make it more relevant, a backlit black one?...
After all, you're properly exposing it, right?...

Wanting DR has NOTHING to do with proper exposure. NOTHING. NOTHING NOTHING.
People keep saying expose properly and DR does not matter. They keep saying that because they are Canon fanboys and can't admit that their God is not delivering.
DR comes into play when bracketing and lighting is not possible. Then the photographer exposes for the bright or dark areas and hopes to get some details back in post. Canon is not the best in that regard with banding and noise.

The backlit bird is a good example.

 

[jarrodeu]

ahem... so... how many stops of DR do you need to shoot a BIF anyway?...
Let's make it more relevant, a backlit black one?...
After all, you're properly exposing it, right?...

I'd like to see a Nikon sample of that if you have one. Depending on time of day it could be 18-20 stops of DR to get the bird and the sky. More DR would help in some circumstances.

In that case you better be shooting Kodak Portra.

Jarrod

 

[Mitch.Conner]

Here's hoping the same tech makes its way into the next 5d as well.

 

[sanj]

I guess those of us who are anti-DR will have no interest in this camera. :

Can you pls let me know why there are anti-DR people? Isn't it something better to have?

You are new here so missing the inside joke.

 

[sanj]

This is depressing news. CR will be dull now.

Sanj, I think you should have some more faith in this community. I certainly do.

You right. I will keep my faith alive. This community has full potential to educate and entertain.

 

[sanj]

I guess those of us who are anti-DR will have no interest in this camera. :

Can you pls let me know why there are anti-DR people? Isn't it something better to have?

Nobody is anti-DR, it's that some very vocal people have been insisting that DR is the only metric that counts with a camera system, while others hold the more balanced view that it is only one of a number of factors.

Ahhhh... got it. but i don't think anyone says " DR is the ONLY metric"! But it's a VERY essential aspect. IMO, DR and ISO noise level are two things that defines how good a DSLR is. You may have many many other features, but those are JUST features. These two are NECESSITY (Frame rate, autofocus points etc. are not too important for my shooting)

I have posted before that I was inclined to switch from Canon because of the lack of DR. But this rumor makes me happy! Canon already has bestest ISO performance, now time to catch up on DR. And I'll be a permanent Canon camper

Words out of my mouth....!!! except for the frame rate/focus points

 

[sanj]

This will be huge, especially if they can maintain DR at higher ISO's. Indeed, although the Sony A7S is a different beast, most Nikons lose most or all of their advantage by ISO 1600 / 3200, making the Canon 6D an actually far superior sensor for things like astro-landscapes, when you consider the DR and noise performance at ISO 6400-12800.

I'm a Nikon owner, and I'm all in favor of Canon's 1DX ii and 5D iv having 15+ stops of DR. I won't feel too heartbroken about my D750's DR, or the D810 losing its spot at the top, I'll simply look forward to the healthy competition.

This is, of course, assuming that Canon can maintain their mid-range tonal quality and trademark colors. Canon skin tones have long been a selling point for wedding and portrait photographers, and if they sacrifice that in favor of extreme DR, there will definitely be a riot.

Either way, this is exciting news. I'm actually quite puzzled as to how this topic got to 6 pages long without being 99% "yay!" responses...

=Matt=

That is just us. Mind it!!! )

 

[sanj]

This is depressing news. CR will be dull now.

The is always the EOS-M line to bash: Why aren't there are fast prime pancakes?

True. Why are they not there??? hahahaha

 

[sanj]

If Canon is class-leading = essential feature
If Canon is class-lagging = it's about the whole system, silly! The image sensor doesn't take photos for you!!!

It is – and always has been – about the whole system, silly...

You said no one gets best of both worlds. But that seems to be changing. Happiness....

 

[sanj]

So what would this world best DR mean to action and nature photography?

A lot. They would benefit the most as they often deal with extreme contrast and no lighting. Landscape photographers who find themselves without a tripod will be able to do better post.

 

[sanj]

It will be exciting to underexpose everything by 5 stops and then fix it in post, just like with other brands. Woohoo! Not being able to do this has really limited my photography.

Ha Ha love this! As a "musician" in the old sense of the word I watched as a new generation used computers to make up for a lack of ability. Suddenly everyone could make music. I have kind of always seen the DR thing as this in photography terms. Forget learning how to expose a scene correctly, its just easier to slag off canon because sony give you more leverage to make up the lack of skill needed.

I also find this laughable. All these photographers that are so good, apparently you are amongst them, who always get the exposure right. when following a subject from shadow to bright sun, from dark background to bright background etc. etc. you always get your exposure right. God I am envious and I wonder what I am doing wrong ...
A bright sunny day, with white clouds, white beach, dark green leaves on trees and interesting details in the shadows. Apparently that is no problem for you, because you know how to get your exposure right. I wonder what I am doing wrong, when I have shadows with no detail (worth having) and blown skies in the same image ...

When Canon now finally add DR and hopefully good noise performance to their sensors, it is very good news. Resolution, dynamic range, noise performance, contrast, color and ISO range are fundamental qualities for a camera. Canon has not been good at DR and noise, compared to the competition. If this rumor turns out to be true, they will finally complement a system that beats all the others in pretty much every other department.

Well said. Agree totally.

 

[Moulyneau]

Don't know whether I should cry or laugh... If this proves true, looks like weight issue is going to become secondary all of a sudden. Have to prepare myself to lug around another 3 pounds stuff...