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EOS 5D Mark IV & IVc Specs Surface, Most Likely Bogus [CR0]

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#21
"There will not be a “prosumer” 4K DSLR from Canon in the next round of updates. The EOS-1D X Mark II will get the 4K video, but that’s beyond the prosumer market."

So you really think Canon leaves the DSLR video market behind for yet 3-4 more years after 2016???

Then again, maybe I believe you, I already gave up on more DR (and believe it comes into play all the time with amazing fall forest foliage scenes, maybe it's 'bad' lighting when shooting slides or film or on old sensors, but it can work on new sensors and it sure looks good enough to bring tears to people's eyes in real life, so not sure you can say only ugly lighting needs more DR....) and 4k video. 5D3 gives me 1080P RAW video and while the fps is a little slow, decentish sports action etc and the Sony gives 4k and all the high DR stuff.

I'm not sure what Canon sees to gain protecting their precious 4k and decent video usability features though with the Sony just sitting out there, the Sony that takes every lens. How would doing that in their DLSR hurt the Cxx or whatnot any?? Any hurt is already out there from others. The only thing they can lose is sales. Whatever hurt they feel to Cxx stuff by lower end stuff is already being done. So why would they be so obsessed with internal segment protection still? They simply can't protect that anymore since the cat is already out there, out of the bag. They've already a huge chunk of the DSLR video type sales and those getting the other brand stuff wouldn't have gone for expensive top Cxx anyway and none of them would leap after 1DX2 instead either.
 
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#23
unfocused said:
But, the million dollar question is: have digital cameras evolved to the point where the trade-offs between video and stills create too many compromises?
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That might have been reasonable to suggest if the A7R II hadn't arrived. However, it did arrive and it proved that you don't even have to sacrifice MP count to get top video. It has a very high MP count and yet still can give non-line skipped and even non-binned and even on top, over-sampled, 4k video.
And the DR is great, the SNR is great. Where is the compromise?

The thing is the 5D3 does basic stuff very well so they need to deliver a lot to get the people who just need the solid all-around basics of 6fps, pretty good AF, FF, kinda stuff covered and get them to want to spend thousands more on something new instead of just sticking with their trusty 5D3 for years more and the competition is putting out so many other options for those who shoot with special lighting and need more DR or want 4k and so on and imagine if Nikon drops an A7R II in DSLR form?

There are only so many fps and AF do-dads they can add to the 1DX2 so if they protect ultra-high end video too much and can't or won't do stuff with the sensors then what are they left with for 5 series? I can really only see a PJ/action cam 10fps (already might take away lots of 1DX2 sales though as, especially in the terrible photo market these days, many can live with the 8-10fps they did for ages and rather save the $ than get the 14-20fps or whatnot perhaps; also 10fps FF mirror box has real cost and if they want to max margin as they seem so into, is making the one thing it does speed the way to even max margin per copy?). If you don't need DR or video and need tops of tops AF and good buffer and fps that would be very sweet. But that is already cutting down a lot of the broad potential market.

Maybe they are stuck and just didn't realize how fast things would move for sensors and video and such which is why I was trying to urge things on so much already years ago already, before it was like oh gee we shoulda started earlier.
 
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#25
If Canon really does make most of its money on lenses instead of cameras, then the logic of them not supporting 4K and lots of video-related features is especially nonsensical. Sell cameras with every feature they can to keep people on the Canon lens platforms: sell lots of lenses.

If they are crippling their lower-end cameras to protect their high-end cameras, that is also not well thought out. When someone wants a camera that does still and good video (or just good video for a fair price), and they see Canon refuses to sell a good 4K camera with video features, they aren't going to step up to Canon's cinema line for way more money, they are going to look at what Panasonic and Sony are offering, and that's the end of that. No profit on unsold cameras, and less chance of selling Canon lenses (though there is still some chance of Canon lenses on non-Canon cameras).

This entire strategy really is VERY shortsighted. If Canon didn't have great color science, a big selection of existing lenses, and pro support network, they'd be out of the game entirely at this point. Sony is making strides in the color science with their latest two cameras (though they have a long way to go), new lenses are coming out (and third party lenses like the Sigma Art are very good indeed), plus with IBIS, they don't have to cram IS into every lens. The pro support will be built up over time as with the lens catalog. The longer Canon waits, the better for Sony. Being concerned with competing with your own cinema line is being concerned about the wrong competition. Canon is slow, and Sony is very, very hungry.
 
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#26
OPG said:
Canon will not output 4K video on their camera models in this new generation lineup below the 1D model, as that would take away from the C100 Mark II, C300 Mark II, and C500 sales!
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But every single one of those sales that could get taken away from that top stuff will get taken away anyway. If Canon were alone, you'd have a point. But there are others doing it and they will get all the sales and others are even doing it with things that take Canon glass so there is nothing whatsoever that Canon has to hold those losses back. So what does Canon gain from this protection? They can't protect it. It's too late. Why not have all the sales that will get taken from Cxx at least get taken by a 5D4 instead of a D820 or A7R II or B or C or etc.
 
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#27
Tugela said:
If it comes with Digic 7 processors, it very likely will have nominal 4K video capability. If it comes with Digic 6 processors, like the 7D2, then it will be HD video capable only.
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Sure, but flip the question to the marketing need for a moment. Does Canon believe the 5D line needs 4K to compete? If the answer is yes, they'll put the right processing horsepower on board. If not, they won't.

I refuse to believe that 4K in a non-gripped FF rig is sufficiently at the bleeding edge of processing / cooling technology that if they don't pull off a processing miracle, we don't get it. It's a marketing strategy decision, plain and simple.

- A
 
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#30
I'd would like to see substantial improvement on the sensor department at least 1/2 stop or closer to competition, clean low ISO on shadow and perhaps 1 stop better high ISO.

It must have better frame rate, i.e. I'm looking at around 8fps or higher.. and better buffer rate pls!!!

Anti-flickering, 1.3 and 1.6 crop mode...

AF spread wider across the frame, -3.5EV sensitivity, more cross types, and dedicated spot metering (limited AF point)

Cfast card and XQD capability

Would be nice to have 4K video and perhaps tilt LCD... .
 
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#32
My neighbor's sister's brother in law's dog's best friend emailed me that the 5D IV will have the following:

-Have wifi
-Be able to grille cheese with a perfect consistency
-Be bundled with Photoshop Elements
-Be able to be submerged in water with a depth of 1 meter for 30 minutes
-Have 19 stops of dynamic range
-Be able to cook the perfect medium rare steak
-Will have swivel screen and come with Canon's newly patented selfie extension handle
-Will have small Purell dispenser compartment, proven to be effective in killing 99.9% of bacteria

There's more but I'm at work. Will report back with the goodies at a later time.
 
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#33
I'm not much of a video shooter but I would like to know from where this confidence of canon rumors, that the 5D IV will not have 4k, comes from.

Why not?

If really true, I would think Canon has completely given up the DSLR video market. Or lets say the "Prosumer" video market.
Can Canon really be so ignorant of its competitors? Sony does provide 4k in highend ff cameras as well as in bridge and compact cameras. Even Gopro and the latest toy-drohnes provide 4k.
And I'm sure Nikon will put 4K into its D810 successor.

So if its really true, no 4k in the 5DIV, Canon should not wonder about a continious drop in sales.
 
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#38
Aaaaand AMEN. While I'm perhaps not AS confident as before it will see 4k, it's certainly not ruled out. This camera is still in development (we can debate what PHASE) but nothing is written in stone yet. I still don't think Canon let's a new generation of 5 bodies go without what is now seemingly so standard a feature in that price range. I think it would be an error. Whether they go split line or single 5 body is another topic.

Mitch.Conner said:
unfocused said:
Craig seems awfully confident that there will be no 4K in the 54IV.
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Am I remembering incorrectly, or was it not long ago that he was confident that it would have 4k? Then all of a sudden it changed?

Maybe I'm mistaken?
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#39
PureClassA said:
Aaaaand AMEN. While I'm perhaps not AS confident as before it will see 4k, it's certainly not ruled out. This camera is still in development (we can debate what PHASE) but nothing is written in stone yet. I still don't think Canon let's a new generation of 5 bodies go without what is now seemingly so standard a feature in that price range. I think it would be an error. Whether they go split line or single 5 body is another topic.

Mitch.Conner said:
unfocused said:
Craig seems awfully confident that there will be no 4K in the 54IV.
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Am I remembering incorrectly, or was it not long ago that he was confident that it would have 4k? Then all of a sudden it changed?

Maybe I'm mistaken?
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I still think 4k will be onboard one day one and no one will know. It will be launched as a 1080 rig to protect Cinema EOS / 1D X II sales, and if there really is a mutiny (or tepid sales) because of its omission, pow -- firmware unlocks 4K and everyone's happy.

- A
 
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